sweet. Hopefully they'll have a custom rom with it for the droid soon after.

5/19/2010 8:05:51 PM

^^^^^Cheap doesn't mean that it's a good deal. Other than screen size, that has absolutely no advantage over any other device. My Droid Eris is as fast or faster and can do MORE than this thing does (3g, battery life, 2.1, Android Marketplace, etc. w/o any mod). Incredible, N1, Evo are faster and do more. iPad is faster, bigger screen, & again does more. From what I've seen, Dell's new tablet will be faster, do more, & be the same size. I can sell you a bag of shit for $1 but that doesn't mean it's a good deal. This is like a 1995 Accord with 200k miles and bald tires that's for sale for $5000. It's 1/5 the cost of a new one but it's still a piece of shit and there's not much point in buying it.

[Edited on May 19, 2010 at 8:15 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2010 8:15:05 PM

you must not understand what firmware is, and i agree with you, you are getting what you paid for. other than running a bit slower and shorter battery life, i don't really see a downside to this device that could possibly be fixed with a firmware update. all your "faster and do more" devices means 5 times the cost of this device, the M001 is a MID, not a phone, look it up before you start comparing.

[Edited on May 19, 2010 at 8:35 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2010 8:31:12 PM

I must have missed the part where I said it was a shitty phone

I wouldn't say it's a MID because for that it needs to be mobile. 2 hours of battery life isn't very mobile. I would need 3 of them just to fly to Vegas. Hell, you wouldn't even make it through a lot of movies!

Yes, I understand what firmware is and have no idea what would make you think otherwise.

Anyway, sorry that it offends you that I find it pointless. I guess you could always buy 3 of them to match the battery life of a basic netbook or something though... Maybe I'm just at a point in my life where I need more qualities in something than "Dude, it's like so cheap!" before I consider them for purchase.

5/19/2010 9:11:38 PM

Engadget reviews the EVO - http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/19/htc-evo-4g-review/

Quote :

"Wrap-up Let us be crystal clear: we love this phone. Nay, we adore it. But the fact remains that it's still very much an Android device -- which means that if you don't like Android now, odds are good that even Android executed on the most amazing hardware to date won't do much to change your opinion of it. You've also got to be concerned about upgradeability; Froyo is almost certainly around the corner now, and HTC hasn't done anything to suggest it's able to push Sense-powered updates in a timely fashion. That said, this is truly one of the best smartphones ever made, and even spotty 4G -- a reality of a young technology that's going to take years to properly build out -- probably won't do much to hamper your enjoyment of this thing. It's reasonable to assume that phones like the EVO will ultimately come to every carrier over the next few months... but hey, if you jumped ship for Sprint to pick up this monster, we wouldn't be able blame you."

5/19/2010 11:08:00 PM

My biggest grip with 4g is the extra cost for limited coverage...

I could excuse the bad coverage because it's new technology, but at this point it doesn't seem worth paying extra for.

I do like the way mobile technology is going though, and I think it says alot that I'm more excited about smartphone progression than PC progression.

Now if only someone could put a chip in my brain so I can have seamless internet integration

5/19/2010 11:25:00 PM

Quote :

"I must have missed the part where I said it was a shitty phone"

you were comparing the device to a phone, which is not it's purpose, that's my point, because all you did was list a bunch of $500 phones that aren't the same thing. 2 hours or 15 hours doesn't define what an MID is. also like i said before, 2 hours was one report, we have no idea what that means, 2 hours of video? you're also complaining about the one thing you can actually do something about. and again if you new anything about firmware you'd know speed & battery life can easily be enhanced. i almost doubled my speed & battery life with a new ROM... so i'm still confused at what you're complaining about... oh right, because for $100 it's not perfect out of the box like other $500 devices are.

i had the same grips you had about the iPad, it doesn't do anything my phone or laptop can't do already, and my only hesitation was the price (not worth the price for what it did). but now there's a $100 device... and for what it does, i think it's probably worth the money. heck for $100 i'm interested just to play around with it, whether it's useful or not.

also i have wireless tether on my rooted droid, so i can get 3g on a wifi-only tablet anytime.

[Edited on May 19, 2010 at 11:32 PM. Reason : ,]

5/19/2010 11:27:41 PM

Quote :

"I could excuse the bad coverage because it's new technology, but at this point it doesn't seem worth paying extra for."

Especially when you consider that Sprint's 4G isn't even faster than AT&T's 3G...

5/20/2010 2:53:15 AM

^ Now why would you say something so stupid?

Quote :

"In the lab, WiMax can deliver a peak data speed of 40Mbit/sec. But in the real world, speed depends on things like how far you are from a transmitting tower, how many others are using the network and the general health of the Internet. Expect to see download speeds between 3Mbit/sec. and 5Mbit/sec., or about three times what the current 3G networks from AT&T, Sprint and Verizon can deliver."

WHAT ARE EVERYONE'S GUESSES FOR GOOGLE IO TODAY??

- JIT
- Flash 10.1
- FroYo (2.2)
- New Market - auto updates

any other surprises in store you think? Not that the list above is not huge already....

5/20/2010 10:19:22 AM

if they don't have auto-update, the least they could do is add an "update all"

^JIT & Flash 10.1 are part of Froyo, so you might as well add wireless tethering ... i HOPE they also address the upgrade path and getting everyone on the same version, also expect they open up installing apps on SD cards so we aren't limited to installed ROM

New market is BADLY needed too, kind of odd how their current system has lasted them up to 50,000 apps.

[Edited on May 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM. Reason : .]

5/20/2010 10:49:40 AM

In 18-months:
-60-android compatible devices
-21 OEM's
-59 carriers
-48 countries

Shipping Units:
-Feb. 2010: 60,000 units/day
-Currently: 100,000 units/day

This quarter, 2nd only to RIM in smartphone sales.
This quarter, 1st in web & app usage.

50,000 apps in the marketplace

[Edited on May 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM. Reason : ,]

5/20/2010 11:43:52 AM

JIT: 2x-5x speed increase

Application Data Backup API

Cloud to device API (Chrome Browser Plug-in that enables pushing navigation to device)

Tethering & Portable Hotspot

2x-3x javascript speed increase (V8) into Froyo

(shows demo of sunspire tests, froyo vs. eclair vs. iPad)

numerous jabs on Apple... starting the iPad first to give it a heads up? (once he starts Froyo it's 2:1 laps over iPad) wonder if you can get this app in the app store... oh wait, it's a web app.

Browser now has access to orientation and tilt (shows example of Google Maps rotating to keep North orientation)

Google Translate web app (say a phrase in google translate in the web browser, it will say the phrase for you in set language)

[Edited on May 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2010 11:45:53 AM

Flash 10.1 & AIR support

More jabs at Apple.... "we are committed to providing the fastest and most comprehensive browser"... "open means being inclusive not exclusive... thanks to Adobe for working with us, it's great to work with people to meet the needs of users, instead of just saying "no"

Apps can now be stored on SD Card: Announcing Need For Speed Shift new game

Auto-Updating announced.

Report Feedback to Developers, sending full stacks to developers to notify them of bugs, trackable on Google Market.

OTA installation of apps from Google Market website (when signed in) sent to device and installed

OTA sending of music (mp3s)

OTA streaming of music from home PC

[Edited on May 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2010 12:03:01 PM

is there any way to copy text from an email you are reading within the gmail app on android?

5/20/2010 12:17:46 PM

Google just gave all the attendees an HTC Evo

"For those viewing on Youtube, I'm sorry"

5/20/2010 12:20:29 PM

check ebay.

5/20/2010 12:23:31 PM

I gotta say speaking to the TV with your Android device was freakin' awesome

5/20/2010 12:57:39 PM

Quote :

"Apps can now be stored on SD Card"

thats great! now how long will it take to roll this out?

5/20/2010 1:00:53 PM

as soon as 2.2 comes to your device.

5/20/2010 1:12:15 PM

Some Google engineer coupled the CC feed with the Translate API to give you translated CC to your TV, that's pretty sweet.

Also Google Listen app is now Listen & Watch and includes audio & video podcasts and you can install on your Google TV to watch or listen to podcasts on your TV

Three Google TV devices:
1) Sony, full-line of google TV's and blu-ray players
2) Logitech, companion box for existing setup & peripherals
3) Intel, chipset (Atom processor)

Partnered with dish network.
Partnered with Best Buy.

Coming Fall 2010

[Edited on May 20, 2010 at 1:22 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2010 1:18:24 PM

Hey look, it's the no Steve Jobs club

5/20/2010 1:39:21 PM

seriously, I am blown away so far... androidcentral has been doing great coverage (I cant watch the live stream at work).

5/20/2010 1:48:16 PM

Quote :

"Some Google engineer coupled the CC feed with the Translate API to give you translated CC to your TV, that's pretty sweet."

That's going to be an interesting clusterfuck.

I do love how Froyo can sync with iTunes wirelessly, but the iPhone can't.

5/20/2010 2:22:39 PM

Does it really sync with itunes or just the mp3 files on the computer?

If it does, that's fucking awesome

5/20/2010 2:30:48 PM

Engadget says iTunes: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/google-adding-over-the-air-app-installation-and-itunes-streaming/

5/20/2010 2:42:12 PM

i hate to say this, but i think once Froyo rolls out it's going to be much better than the iPhone OS is now. Apple better have some tricks rolled up their sleeves... they better find a way to get their iPhone on Verizon (allow wireless tethering), increase speed, push install apps/files to your device, etc. if they're going to compete. with all the announcements today, it sounds like Google is stealing Apple's thunder by showing they're thinking big-picture platform, taking ads, apps, content and information to the TV is the next logical step and Apple hasn't delved into that market yet.

my only hope is Google can integrate it all into one Market & source that's easy to develop for.

5/20/2010 3:04:55 PM

^ I agree...I think if Google can keep pushing innovation while improving the experience they can easily dominate the phone market and beyond. The only downside I can see is the upgrades will be lagging since the phone makers themselves have to make sure the upgrade will work with their hardware and UIs. I think this is where Apple clearly wins...they can guarantee the same experience for everyone at the same time.

5/20/2010 3:23:57 PM

true true

5/20/2010 3:37:38 PM

I think Android has already surpassed iPhone OS with 2.1. In my opinion, it's not the OS that's the problem, it's the apps. Apple's always going to have a "better" user experience for that since they're controlling the apps so you get far less of the junk apps that Android has (I'm sure I'm not the only one that's downloaded apps that barely work and have been abandoned by the author). My iPhone OS experience is limited to my iPad but I haven't found any areas where 2.1 is lacking as the OS itself. Pretty much all of my problems are related to bloat & processor speed (Eris is far from fast). Basically, it appears to me that Android & iPhone OS are on the path to mirror Windows & Mac OS. Windows (Android) "does more" but it's generally less polished because of the lack of control retained by MS/Google.

5/20/2010 4:01:13 PM

yea, probably a fair comparison. until someone does a study on % of apps that are junk, i will have a hard time believing that theory though, i mean 200,000 apps? surely there's bound to be junk apps in there. there needs to be a little bit more quality control in terms of programmers understanding how to program to save battery life, but Android is blowing up so fast I kinda have a feeling people are just getting their apps out there without much QC so they can ride the bandwagon.

5/20/2010 4:11:26 PM

speaking of battery life:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-co-founder-says-bad-apps-blame-poor-android-battery-life

Quote :

"Google co-founder says bad apps to blame for poor Android battery life Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 by Phil Nickinson Google co-founder gets a day's life out of his Android battery, and he thinks you should, too. Speaking at Google's Zeitgeist forum (alongside CEO Eric Schmidt), Page said poorly written third-party apps likely are to blame. "I have noticed there are a few people who have phones where there is software running in the background that just sort of exhausts the battery quickly. If you are not getting a day, there is something wrong." Schmidt -- who, like Page, also is way smarter than you -- chimed in, "The primary consumer of the battery life on these phones is the transmit/receive circuit. SO tuning that and obviously figuring out a way to not use too much of that extends your battery life." Sho' 'nuff, Eric. Looks like somebody read our battery life tips post. "

5/20/2010 4:32:37 PM

that's why i said it.

5/20/2010 4:48:58 PM

http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Unveils+Killer+Android+22+OS+Update+100K+Android+Phones+Sold+a+Day/article18444.htm

Quote :

"IPhone OS 4.0 is already pretty much set in stone. And now Google has revealed its counterpunch in Android 2.2. From the looks of it Apple should be very, very worried. Even with Cupertino's appeal one can only wonder how long it can stand tall against Androids vast legion of handsets, unparalleled features unconstrained by a draconian desire to dictate to the user what they want, and the speedups needed to truly show the full glory of the faster processors found in Android handsets (many operate at 1 GHz). Yes, Apple should be very worried indeed."

5/20/2010 6:42:29 PM

Apple should be worried, but Android is still not as good as iPhone OS. The cut/paste in the browser is still pretty horrible in 2.1. Hopefully they figure out something that works for 2.2.

And it's hilarious that they keep touting the 1Ghz processor, when iPhone OS is faster than Android on the current gen hardware (500-700Mhz procs), and will most likely be faster on the future hardware too (especially if the iPad is any indication-- iPad is a 1Ghz processor too).

5/20/2010 7:25:36 PM

^Golovko, is that you?

And taken off my Incredible with Vignette

http://www.flickr.com/photos/unincbrtn/4625008405/?rotated=1&cb=1274398077359

5/20/2010 7:33:27 PM

preordered the Evo today from Best Buy.

5/20/2010 10:38:44 PM

There needs to be more clarification than "a few weeks" on a release date for froyo.

I bet that there's a lot of negotiation to be had with carriers now that WiFi tethering is on the table.

5/20/2010 11:24:39 PM

not to mention how long it will take device makers to update their devices. how long did it take Moto to update the Droid for 2.1?

5/20/2010 11:30:15 PM

^^^Gonna grab mine from Radio Shack. No idea what sort of accessories I would want for 20 bucks but it's better than nothing. In the process of selling my TP2 and converting my SERO plan to ED 450. Can't wait!

5/20/2010 11:32:14 PM

^The iPhone 4G is due to come out soon, so I'm sure they'll sort of rush the update out a little more than last time... I'm sure Sprint, Verizon, and T-Mobile will try to beat iPhone to the punch.

5/20/2010 11:33:03 PM

At this point I'm just wondering where the balance of power lies between the carriers and Google. Android has obviously delivered a mobile OS that consumers are demanding. Carriers are selling data plans and are making $$ as a result. At the same time, Google is pushing the envelope with tethering, WiFi AP, flash, itunes streaming, etc.

I have the N1 and I'm pretty sure AT&T knows this after I just swapped the SIM with my iphone. When looking at my online account my phone "icon" is no longer an iPhone but rather a generic picture. This may be a long shot but I'm willing to bet that N1 ATT users get froyo with USB tethering only. I just hope this process doesn't take months instead of weeks.

5/20/2010 11:47:21 PM

Quote :

"Does it really sync with itunes or just the mp3 files on the computer? If it does, that's fucking awesome"

So according to the link that Stein sent:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/google-adding-over-the-air-app-installation-and-itunes-streaming/

They just bought SimplifyMedia. I had their iPhone app for a while, all it did was stream your music collection over 3g via a client that sat on your desktop. First of all, it was slow as balls. Second, unless Google/Simplify has done a major overhaul on their software, this isn't "syncing" with your music library.

You guys realize there are apps in the Android Market right now that can wirelessly sync with iTunes right? I just picked up TuneSync a week or two ago and it works great.

5/20/2010 11:50:05 PM

Windows Phone 7 can't get here fast enough. I did consider an Android, but I can't abandon the MS ship, they keep impressing me by improving steadily.

5/21/2010 2:29:04 AM

Quote :

"^ Now why would you say something so stupid? Quote : "In the lab, WiMax can deliver a peak data speed of 40Mbit/sec. But in the real world, speed depends on things like how far you are from a transmitting tower, how many others are using the network and the general health of the Internet. Expect to see download speeds between 3Mbit/sec. and 5Mbit/sec., or about three times what the current 3G networks from AT&T, Sprint and Verizon can deliver.""

Stupid? AT&T's network upgrades are bringing their 3G speeds to 7.2 MB/s (faster than Sprint's 4g)

5/21/2010 6:16:58 AM

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5/21/2010 6:16:59 AM

since I accidentally multiposted i may as well use this one...

Quote :

"The cut/paste in the browser is still pretty horrible in 2.1. Hopefully they figure out something that works for 2.2. "

different browsers handle it differently. download a new one from the market and see how you like it

5/21/2010 6:16:59 AM

Is the incredible in stock at any of the local VZ stores? Please say yes, someone.

Please?

5/21/2010 9:21:17 AM

Quote :

"[...]I'm willing to bet that N1 ATT users get froyo with USB tethering only."

N1 users get whatever they want, which is the point of buying a phone with an unlockable bootloader

5/21/2010 9:31:43 AM