Yoda's behavior was a test of Luke's patience and presumptiveness. It's like some of you didn't even WATCH the movies

[Edited on June 3, 2005 at 7:18 PM. Reason : Peace, we outta here.]

6/3/2005 7:18:08 PM

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"and i still laffed when yoda force brushed the two guards"

It's scenes like that where I'm compelled to scream WHAT NOW NIGGA WHAT at the screen.

6/3/2005 7:44:03 PM

aha yet in clone wars he and mace are force slamming troop carriers

6/3/2005 7:46:37 PM

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"yeah but then it got hokey real quick should have collapsed to his knees "in submission" instead of yelling at "heaven""

If Lucas decides to change anything for the DVD release, that should definitely be it.

6/3/2005 7:50:08 PM

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6/3/2005 7:51:08 PM

DO ME ANAKIN

DO ME OBI-WAN YOU'RE MY LAST HOPE

6/3/2005 7:52:09 PM

Luminous beings we are! Not this CRUDE MATTER! *pinches luke's arms*

6/3/2005 8:22:31 PM

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"f Lucas decides to change anything for the DVD release, that should definitely be it."

hell yeah

6/3/2005 8:25:59 PM

those of you talking about the saber battle in 4

you gotta think, neither vader or obi wan probably engaged in any real lightsaber fight since their battle in 3, so thats what, 20 years without using their skills

now we all know that wielding a lightsaber is like riding a bike, but im sure they've lost skill after all those years of inactivity

6/4/2005 8:12:14 AM

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"Yoda's behavior was a test of Luke's patience and presumptiveness. It's like some of you didn't even WATCH the movies"

Bingo.

6/4/2005 9:32:01 AM

wait a second

how the fuck does leia know about obi-wan kenobi?

6/4/2005 11:00:51 AM

"General Kenobi: Years ago, you served my father in the Clone Wars."

6/4/2005 11:04:43 AM

oh cool

how does she know where to send the droids?

6/4/2005 11:05:33 AM

Ostensibly, Artoo told her, since we saw that he didn't get his memory wiped at the end of Episode III. He was probably given Obi-Wan's location.

Of course, it's every bit as likely that Obi-Wan told Bail Organa himself, and that Bail told Leia in turn.

6/4/2005 11:09:47 AM

okey dokey

i haven't watched the OT in like half a decade, so i wasn't exactly sure on the opening

6/4/2005 11:12:43 AM

Go ahead and ask any little question you can think of, I'm in a total Star Wars mood right now. I'm working on weapon and armor stats for the Star Wars tabletop game we're playing.

6/4/2005 11:15:34 AM

It could be R2 that knows. I think it was more likely that Bail Organa might have told Leia over the 20 years about Obi-Wan and she decided to rely on a "friend of the family".

I think Bail was in the room when Obi-Wan says he's going to be on Tatooine with Luke.


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6/4/2005 12:19:07 PM

You've got to believe that Bail and Obi-Wan would keep in contact if even just a little bit, since they are protecting those whom Palpatine would seek to take custody of if he knew about them. At least, I suppose they would...

6/4/2005 5:12:01 PM

I think the fight in 4 was more mental than physical, and that's why it looked so slow.

That's how I rationalize it.

6/4/2005 6:44:06 PM

i don't think you can rationalize it. it is what it is, a totally different style of fighting that isn't as flashy as the fighting in the first three. i just accept it and enjoy the movie.

6/4/2005 6:45:56 PM

^^ I like that, and it works with the fact that apparently neither Vader nor Obi Wan were any weaker than they were in Ep. III. Obi Wan was simply buying time and Vader seemed to be enjoying the small talk.

^Suspension of disbelief requires that you rationalize it.

6/4/2005 11:54:53 PM

Rationalization is the opposite of suspension of disbelief. ;P

6/5/2005 2:36:04 AM

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"yeah but then it got hokey real quick should have collapsed to his knees "in submission" instead of yelling at "heaven""

I laughed when that happened. I was like "Thats real 'Vaderkin' of Vaderkin." Collapsing would have been much less hokey.

6/5/2005 3:19:33 AM

I think it would have worked better had he screamed in rage.

6/5/2005 8:22:32 AM

True, suspension of disbelief in and of itself is irrational. After that step, though, you need to rationalize everything you see because you're unable to say "it's just a movie;" you have to act as though what you saw actually occurred in real life.

6/5/2005 9:30:11 AM

True, suspension of disbelief in and of itself is irrational.

however, once that step is made, you must rationalize everything you see as if it had actually occurred.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Analysis.html

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6/5/2005 9:32:30 AM

^ exactly

6/5/2005 10:19:39 AM

No...no, you mustn't. You may, but you don't have to. I think you're getting thrown off by the fact that there are real people and a sense of verisimilitude in the movie. You don't try to rationalize "Hansel & Gretel" or Hop on Pop, do you? Do you try to rationalize the Chronicles of Narnia? Do you try to rationalize Spirited Away? No. No, you don't.

6/5/2005 12:13:09 PM

you make the leap of disbelief or whatever to the new system

if its spirited away - its a spirit world where anything can happen - therefore everything can be rationalized according to the temporary world-view you've adopted

if its star wars - its just cgi shit.

did anyone else feel like they were watching cut scenes from halo? Seriously lucas, you don't have to cgi the storm trooper's outfits damn.

6/5/2005 12:18:14 PM

i chalk it up to neither of them having a saber fight in 20 years

who is vader really gonna fight against, he's got his badass force power and an entire galactic army behind him...

and obi wan has been living in tunisia

6/5/2005 12:18:38 PM

DUDE they practice blindfolded against that little bobbing floating orb thing

DON'T YOU REMEMBER

6/5/2005 12:19:35 PM

we're talking about making Star Wars 4 fit with the other episodes, not making Star Wars fit with the real world

6/5/2005 12:22:17 PM

This ridiculous impulse to "make it fit" is exactly what led Lucas to go back and fuck the original trilogy up in the first place.

6/5/2005 12:23:34 PM

not really

if he'd really cared about making it fit he would have done a few things differently

like not change the style of saber combat completely

6/5/2005 12:28:02 PM

Alright, I have a Star Wars question. I'm rewatching the original trilogy and Han Solo talks about the "Kessel Run," part of the infamous line where he confuses parsecs for a measurement of time. What is the Kessel Run, and why is it so important that everybody would know about it?

6/5/2005 1:17:15 PM

Kessel is home to the largest spice mining operation in the galaxy. The Kessel run is the smuggling route from Kessel into the Core Worlds.

There's a cluster of black holes near Kessel called the Maw. It makes travel to and from Kessel—especially hyperspace travel—extremely dangerous. When Solo said he made the run in 12 parsecs, he could've meant that he skirted within 12 parsecs of the Maw to discourage pursuit. That would speak to his skill as a pilot.

6/5/2005 1:23:33 PM

Officially, Solo does not confuse parsecs for a measurement of time (sorta...more on this later). The Kessel Run is a smuggler's term for stealing "spice" (stimulants) from cargo ships in the Kessel system. A safe version of the Kessel Run involves a journey of 18 parsecs. However, if a ship is exceedingly fast, it can travel closer to the black holes in the Maw Cluster, outrun the gravitational pull of the black holes, and make the journey in a shorter, straighter distance, meaning fewer parsecs. Solo's bragging about the Kessel Run was a statement of the Falcon's ability to outrun the pull of a black hole.

Now, for serious, George Lucas knew that a parsec was some kind of fancy measurement, but not that it was a measure of distance. The backstory about the black holes is retroactive canon to make up for the original oversight.

6/5/2005 1:27:24 PM

Ah thanks. One explanation I've heard is that Han Solo was just talking out of his ass, which seems to be consistent with his character. On the other hand, he's devoted his life to smuggling and you'd think he knows what he's doing.

6/5/2005 1:33:41 PM

^^^ and ^^

I've heard both of those explanations as well, as well as Lucas' commentary on the Ep 4 DVD about the Falcon's "speed" being more due to its navicomputer rather than its engines. However, I still for some reason believe that's just an attempt to cover his mistake.

6/5/2005 1:49:09 PM

Either way, it's a lot easier to rationalize than the Ewoks defeating an entire legion of the Empire's best troops.

I have heard that they were primitely Force-attuned, though...

Btw, I like my fiction to make sense in it's own contex. If so character is a badass most of the time, he shouldn't wimp out in one scene without reason. Fiction can set it own rules, but it should try to play by them.

6/5/2005 2:00:09 PM

That's right, that's absolutely right. But a key component of fiction is also inconsistency. You have to embrace a work of fiction for what it IS and not what you think it OUGHT to be in light of other works.

6/5/2005 2:02:45 PM

I see Star Wars as one work. It can be argued, obviously, that the prequels are different, though they are Star Wars. But the saber fight in 4 looks weak compared to 5 and 6 too, so the problem remains...

I think I've always assumed it was a more mental battle.

6/5/2005 2:06:41 PM

This might sound silly, but why does Yoda walk with a cane most of the time unless he's fighting? Those lightsaber battles make it look like he would be fine without a cane.

6/5/2005 4:27:14 PM

Two theories there:

One, Yoda is pretty old and frail. During battle, he may well be using the Force to supplement his physical abilities, but one can't rely on the Force for everything all the time.

Two, it's pure deception. He just likes appearing weak to his enemies to give him an advantage. That's certainly consistent with how he acted around Luke at first in Episode V ("Judge me by my size, do you?").

6/5/2005 4:30:00 PM

i think i'm gonna go with theory one there. dude's 700 years old (or whatever it is) so it makes sense

6/5/2005 8:54:00 PM

I'm going to go with a combination of the two. I think he probably could use the force all the time just to be able to, if nothing else, walk without a cane. But he chooses not to (for the reasons in 2.).

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6/5/2005 8:56:00 PM

well i'd have to think that using the force all the time, even for a master like yoda, would probably be mentally draining. doesn't it require deep concentration?

6/5/2005 9:00:43 PM

Depends on what you're doing, I would think. I mean, just using enough force to walk normally shouldn't be all that draining for Yoda... I wouldn't think.

6/5/2005 9:11:59 PM

So they wanted anakin to restore order/balance to the force....what the hell was wrong with it to begin with the jedi outnumbered the sith like 100000 to 2

6/5/2005 9:12:22 PM

It's been debated quite a bit--especially since no one has heard the prophecy in its entirety, but most (in fact, I think Lucas has confirmed this in an interview as well) will say that balancing the Force = Destroying the Sith and thus restoring harmony.

That's the only thing I can think of that actually makes logical sense in the context of the whole story. I can't see the Jedi celebrating a "Chosen One" who is destined to reduce their number to two.

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6/5/2005 9:45:23 PM