CJ is the 25th pick in next year's draft according to Chad Ford's Mock

3/23/2012 11:58:47 AM

2011 draft:

#25 pick, first three years salary:

$925,100 $966,700 $1,008,400 = ~3mm

#10 pick:

1,865,300 $1,949,200 $2,033,200 = close to 6mm


Stay, dominate the ACC next year and make up the missed salary in your first year.

3/23/2012 12:28:12 PM

Quote :

"The moment Yow remembers from Columbus, Ohio, though, was the conversation they had hours after the game inside an elevator at the hotel. “The first thing he told me about was his economics test,” Yow said. “Here he is at the height of his acclaim as an athlete, and we weren’t talking about wins or the points he scored, but his Econ class. “I think that says it all about the maturity he has shown this season and where his mind is.”"

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/23/1951915/for-nc-states-leslie-embracing.html

Seems kind of encouraging in regards to him coming back next year.

3/23/2012 1:03:47 PM

Unless "talking about econ" means "talking about how much he was going to get paid after getting picked in the second round this summer"

3/23/2012 1:05:06 PM

From the comments section of that N&O article:

Quote :

"It wouldn't only benefit C.J. to stick for his junior year, would benefit NC State of course. He possibly might be a lottery pick this summer but it's a very deep draft. Next year, with another year of great coaching under his belt and a good shot at the NCAA championship (Pack has 2 five stars and a 4 star coming in and Purvis is one of the top 10 H.S. seniors in the US), State would be considered one of the favorites to win it all in 2013. Not saying they can't pull of a miracle this year but winning four more consecutive tough games is a real long shot for an 11 seed. Calvin, how 'bout one more year and then you're a lottery pick."

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 2:29 PM. Reason : but great article.]

3/23/2012 2:29:46 PM

^ I mean, you have to think that we should be top three at least in the ACC next year. Also, just think about how much Duke and UNC are loosing, and CJL has a real good shot at conference POY next year, so it would be advantageous to stay. Plus, he really needs to develop his shooting and back to the basket moves because so far he has tuned up his discretion as to what shots he needs to take which has lead to his improved fg%, but he hasn't really improved that area of his game yet.

3/23/2012 2:43:37 PM

Are Pitt and Syracuse in for 2012/13?

3/23/2012 2:47:45 PM

I think it is expected to be 2013-2014

3/23/2012 2:50:29 PM

Quote :

"^ I mean, you have to think that we should be top three at least in the ACC next year. Also, just think about how much Duke and UNC are loosing, and CJL has a real good shot at conference POY next year, so it would be advantageous to stay. Plus, he really needs to develop his shooting and back to the basket moves because so far he has tuned up his discretion as to what shots he needs to take which has lead to his improved fg%, but he hasn't really improved that area of his game yet."

I absolutely agree that with CJL we'd be a top 3 (or better) team in the conference. I agree with pretty much everything in your post...I was mainly just responding to the "State would be considered one of the favorites to win it all in 2013" part. Favorites to win the conference? Maybe...depending on who returns for Duke and UNC...but favorites to win it all? Perhaps getting a little ahead of ourselves. I hope I'm proven wrong though.

3/23/2012 2:56:07 PM

ok guys, i'm going to offer you a job, you can start this year and make $900,000/year, or you can start next year and make 1,800,000 if you still qualify and we have an opening then. When do you want to start?

there's no way he should stay if he's a first rounder. I mean, if one of your friends was in this situation, what would you tell him?

3/23/2012 2:56:11 PM

(1.8 mill + chance to win a conference title) - possibility of injury > 900k now

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 3:00 PM. Reason : in my opinion ]

3/23/2012 3:00:27 PM

No way he should stay if he's a lottery pick, not just a first rounder. Picks 20-40 are pretty much a crapshoot. He'd be well served to get another year of development and possibly a fringe top 10 pick in 2013.

3/23/2012 3:02:24 PM

If my friend asked me that I'd tell him that 7.2 million over the next 5 years is better than 3.6 million over the next 4 years.

3/23/2012 3:05:44 PM

Quote :

"DUKE AND UNC ARE LOOSING"

why

3/23/2012 3:06:15 PM

What matters is what CJ's priorities are. The money is obviously going to come, eventually. The questions are:

How much does he want a degree?
How much does he want to have an ACC championship?
How much does he want an NCAA championship?

If he stays he gets another shot at all of those things. If they are more (or as) important to him as instant gratification, then he could choose to stay and help NC State maintain it's newfound greatness.

If he'd rather start rolling in money right away, then it makes sense that he'd leave.

3/23/2012 3:09:09 PM

I think he definitely needs to enter the draft but without an agent at first. He shown people he has the ability to play in the NBA, he just needs to hear from people what he needs to work on and where he's likely to end up if he opts in or stays another year. Hopefully, he'll listen to people without a monetary-vested interest in his future.

3/23/2012 3:10:54 PM

Quote :

"No way he should stay if he's a lottery pick, not just a first rounder. Picks 20-40 are pretty much a crapshoot. He'd be well served to get another year of development and possibly a fringe top 10 pick in 2013."

This. The NBA works much in the same way that the private sector works meaning that where you get your first job plays a large part in playing out the rest of your career. Meaning that a top 10 pick in the draft will give you a better chance at longevity and longterm success as opposed to late 1st to 2nd round.

Of course there are exceptions. But, no body should realistically expect to get a job at Glaxo Smith Kline if their first job was at some start up in Atlanta.

Quote :

"I think he definitely needs to enter the draft but without an agent at first. He shown people he has the ability to play in the NBA, he just needs to hear from people what he needs to work on and where he's likely to end up if he opts in or stays another year. Hopefully, he'll listen to people without a monetary-vested interest in his future."

If he does this then he automatically losses his senior year of eligibility.

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 3:12 PM. Reason : forgot qupote]

3/23/2012 3:11:14 PM

^^^

there is way more that goes into those decisions. I mean, to some people, getting another year to play basketball with your friends can outweigh all of that.

[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 3:17 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2012 3:12:19 PM

Quote :

"How much does he want a degree?"

I don't think this matters. Because he can always go back and get a degree later, at any time.

The other two things you listed are much more important. Is he ready to go from the hot shot at the school and one of the most athletic players in your conference, to an "average" NBA player.

3/23/2012 3:12:37 PM

Only thing I ever really have an issue with is a player leaving early and not getting drafted at all. Just means he got some horrible advice usually and some agent or 2nd Uncle got in their ear about leaving and making money.

As long as everything projects him as a first round pick, it is hard to blame a player for going. Hope he stays, but if he goes first round happy for him and I think it can easily be spun into some nice extra recruiting momentum for Gott to show a first round pick in his first year, not as good as him staying but at least a way to turn a positive from it.

3/23/2012 3:18:28 PM

Quote :

"The NBA works much in the same way that the private sector works meaning that where you get your first job plays a large part in playing out the rest of your career. Meaning that a top 10 pick in the draft will give you a better chance at longevity and longterm success as opposed to late 1st to 2nd round. "

I'm not sure that's accurate

Quote :

"If he does this then he automatically losses his senior year of eligibility."

I know that's not accurate

3/23/2012 3:21:43 PM

^ well, I know that that was the situation when brandon bass declared while he was an underclassmen at LSU. Once you declare, you are locked into declarig again the next year. Meaning that he would have to go after his junior year.

3/23/2012 3:25:52 PM

yeah you cant enter the draft without signing an agent but once. The second time you can't return to school.

But he COULD enter this year without an agent, return to school. Then his junior year just not enter at all and come back for his senior year.

However, we all know at best we'll get one more year out of CJL unless something disastrous like a bad injury happened.

The main thing is are you going to be a first rounder or not? If you're first round you get a two year GUARANTEED deal with team options on year #3 and #4.

If you aren't picked in the first round you get no guaranteed money and may never make more than a few bucks playing on preseason/training camp stipends. Many 2nd round picks do not make the roster.


Everyone keeps saying well he could come back next year and get picked higher. That is true, he COULD. He could also come back without an improved jump shot, still be labelled as a tweener, and slide out of the first round costing himself a few million dollars.

Another thing to think about. Say he goes pro after this year and after two years has shown potential but not much else. If he's 22 or so a team is more likely to keep him around for his option years because players typically continue to improve until age 25 when they peak. If he's already 23-24, then they may decide to let him go and take a flyer on the next 19 year old prospect.


Now, given the actual situation and not just hypotheticals... I think he'd go higher next year because I think his shooting would continue to improve (he had a shot in high school i think he lost it when he started weight training so hard to get bigger) and as everyone knows this draft class is super deep.

Also, we'd definitely be a great team next year which never hurts your exposure. It is a proven fact that NBA GM's tend to overrate players who go deep in the NCAA tournament and that they are drafted higher. I dont have a link to the study offhand, but i saw it last year and it was very convincing.

3/23/2012 3:30:16 PM

Quote :

"That is true, he COULD. He could also come back without an improved jump shot, still be labelled as a tweener, and slide out of the first round costing himself a few million dollars."

Two words: Julius Hodge.

He came back for his fourth year and actually had a decline in his player performance, but still managed a mid first round pick, which is roughly where he was projected after his third year.

3/23/2012 3:45:08 PM

Two words Exree Hipp.

Exree Hipp, # 4
From: Washington, DC

Bio: An disappointing senior year marred an otherwise productive career. Slender leaper who bulked up so much his senior year he lost his quickness and leaping ability. Started all four years at small forward. Career high was 35 against Towson State as a sophomore. Played for the Harlem Globetrotters for several years with Johnny Rhodes.


He went from 13.6 ppg to 6.8 ppg and cost himself millions and had the embarrassing task of having to travel the country in a freaking bus to play against a fake team in front of bored 6 year olds. But at least they had timeouts to throw confetti on refs. You wont get that in the NBA.
http://terrapinstats.com/bb/profile.cfm?playerid=307

3/23/2012 3:48:08 PM

I thought they did away with that rule about being able to "test the waters"...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6444510

Found an article. It's still allowed, but the time frame to do so is much shorter.

Quote :

" Basketball players must decide before the first day of the spring signing period, typically mid-April, to pull out of the draft and retain their college eligibility. This year, players have until May 8 to withdraw from the draft."

article was written in 2011...so "this year" = 2011.


[Edited on March 23, 2012 at 4:32 PM. Reason : add link]

3/23/2012 4:27:43 PM

They shortened the window to pull out. Used to be like a week before the draft, now its sometime in May. This is all from memory, so I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

3/23/2012 4:33:46 PM

Quote :

"Everyone keeps saying well he could come back next year and get picked higher. That is true, he COULD. He could also come back without an improved jump shot, still be labelled as a tweener, and slide out of the first round costing himself a few million dollars."

really just depends on whether or not he has the nuts to bet on himself.

3/23/2012 4:53:28 PM

i can only imagine that he'd improve his stock if he came back. he didn't really come on until the 2nd half of this year.

3/23/2012 5:08:22 PM

it's all good, because he's going to leave this year. Because in about 5 hours you are going to see Calvin

BALL SO HARD

he catapults into the top 10


fuck a jayhawk

3/23/2012 5:27:19 PM

I'll quote myself from page 28:

Quote :

"At this point, I don't care if he leaves next year, as long as he plays hard enough for us to win out. Gott can survive without him."

3/23/2012 5:32:45 PM

Quote :

"FUCK A JAYHAWK"

3/23/2012 5:34:37 PM

CJL used to show up late to Geology, make shh-ing sounds with his buds for 10 minutes, then peace out. This was last semester

3/23/2012 5:43:08 PM

well, i probably attended geology class less than 50% of the time, back in the day, and I still made an A+.

3/23/2012 5:45:03 PM

How does Roy get guaranteed lotto picks to stay year after year?

3/23/2012 5:53:18 PM

it does make you wonder, doesn't it?

3/23/2012 5:54:24 PM

because going from UNC to the NBA is a paycut for a lot of those guys

3/23/2012 6:11:52 PM

They've got a sweet deal at UNC. A tutor does all their homework while a pro agent pays for all their expenses. All they have to do is play ball and party. I wouldn't leave that for an actual job with an NBA team.

3/23/2012 6:19:46 PM

If CJL left, I'd understand. What's the point of staying if you're not allowed to play in big games?

3/24/2012 12:21:14 AM

please please please stay leslie

we will be SO good

3/24/2012 12:59:35 AM

I love you Calvin. Please stay. You'll be ACC POY next season.

3/24/2012 1:12:22 AM

^ I would like to think so...but there will be alot of good players next year in the ACC.

3/24/2012 1:13:12 AM

Dear Calvin,

2011 draft:

#25 pick, first three years salary:

$925,100 $966,700 $1,008,400 = ~3mm

#10 pick:

1,865,300 $1,949,200 $2,033,200 = close to 6mm


Stay, dominate the ACC next year and make up the missed salary in your first year.

It's simple mathematics man. You'll be able to take care of your family better etc if you just wait 1 more year.

3/24/2012 1:13:54 AM

Quote :

"^ I would like to think so...but there will be alot of good players next year in the ACC. "

Like the choke-artist Harrison Barnes?

3/24/2012 1:15:12 AM

Please stay Calvin, but we support you either way...

It's not like you are JJ Hickson and could have given two shits to be in a Wolfpack uniform. You embraced your school/us and played your ass off.

3/24/2012 1:16:04 AM

[Edited on March 24, 2012 at 1:18 AM. Reason : meh...whatever...i'm pissed....where is my bourbon bottle.....]

3/24/2012 1:16:59 AM

3/24/2012 1:17:43 AM

i think this kansas game will give Calvin a reason to stick around. I'm guessing he's hongry

3/24/2012 1:19:10 AM

plz2stay

3/24/2012 2:33:05 AM

^^i hope so. CJL has earned my respect this season. hell of a season, especially the last half of the season. he matured incredibly and if he chooses to return for his junior season, he will be a force to be reckoned with.

3/24/2012 2:37:33 AM