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"I have as of yet to see a well thought out, sound description of how impeachment would be so much better (no compare and contrasts in outcomes). What I continue to see are one to two liners that either over simplify or hyperbolize any conflicting narrative into something that no longer represents the original comments"

Here, I think this is, what, the 5th or 6th long piece that has been posted against your view, still waiting on one that supports you. But sure, we're not providing anything.
https://newrepublic.com/article/154523/nancy-pelosi-impeach

7/24/2019 12:54:24 PM

What I was asking for are direct, measured responses to the points I've made in a manner that refutes them beyond dispute. Instead, my points are met with hyperbole and sarcasm. I'm asking for more of the former, less of the latter. I don't view posting editorials as the former because an editorial supporting a topic does not necessarily directly counter points made in a post.

But if that helps you

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/cass-sunstein-impeachment-author-852656/
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/democrats-shouldn-t-focus-impeaching-trump-they-need-focus-beating-ncna1008566
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-democrats-impeachment-trump-20190424-story.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/22/politics/democrats-impeach-donald-trump-gloria-borger-column/index.html

7/24/2019 2:20:05 PM

(that piece actually does respond directly to your points, you just have to read a bit to get there)

7/24/2019 2:28:51 PM

Mueller just now when asked what he wants Americans to get from his report: [...] it also is a signal, a flag to those of us who have some responsibility in this area to exercise those responsibilities swiftly, and don't let this problem continue to linger.

in other words, democrats get off your ass

7/24/2019 2:31:16 PM

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"beyond dispute. "

That's an impossible standard.

And I didn't actually need to go google competing editorials, but you can't contend we aren't posting responses, we are you just have to read them go get there.

I can't speak for DTR, but I don't have the time, resources or knowledge to directly respond in long form, and it seems like a waste when smarter people have already written long, well thought out arguments.

7/24/2019 2:57:29 PM

Nadler reportedly pushed to launch impeachment proceedings in the closed-door meeting but was blocked by Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is blocking the Chair of the Judiciary Committee from moving forward with impeachment in response to clear impeachable offenses that are clearly defined and on record

This is nonsense

7/24/2019 10:48:25 PM

They should have started impeachment hearings months ago. We should have been seeing reports now of trump fighting a subpoena.

Pelosi is acting like trump just is a normal politician doing normally bad stuff, which helps normalize trump.

7/25/2019 12:29:28 AM

June- Pelosi decided to pass the emergency border funding. Progressives had been calling for the money to come with requirements on care and how the funding was used, but Pelosi had a phone call with Mike Pence said they had an agreement and everything was okay and decided to pass the bill. Progressives were upset about this and spoke up, they were then attacked by Pelosi and other senior democrats for this "insubordination" (progressives even backed pelosi when blue dog dems tried to unseat her, but didn't buy them any respect apparently)

Today- Trump moves to end limits on detention of migrant children https://apnews.com/b66e925bdda14877ba8edfe0ec55a0cc

[Edited on August 21, 2019 at 2:56 PM. Reason : democrats are bad at this]

8/21/2019 2:54:04 PM

From the Pence thread Ireland article. Pelosi is once again quoted saying Trump violates the constitution. Of course the subtext is she has zero interest in holding him to account for that.

9/5/2019 2:15:16 PM

no one has even been held accountable yet for ignoring subpoenas

9/5/2019 2:22:40 PM

Just seems she should should stop talking about it. If I was "peeing my pants" scared of tattling on the schoolyard bully, I wouldnt stand up every day at lunch and say "his actions will not stand"

9/5/2019 2:30:57 PM

https://twitter.com/catargetbot/status/1171445857738055680?s=21

Not sure where to put this but Matt has a far better platform and chance to take on Mitch. Let’s see how a pragmatic, popular guy does versus a deeply unpopular but extremely well-funded incumbent.

[Edited on September 10, 2019 at 11:37 AM. Reason : Better chance than McGrath that is]

9/10/2019 11:37:12 AM

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"@whstancil Guy in Ohio diner: “Wow, I think impeachment is too extreme of a remedy, fortunately Hakeem Jeffries, who as we all know is the House Majority Leader *the other diners nod knowingly* has clarified that this an investigation into whether impeachment might be one potential remedy”"

9/11/2019 8:55:00 PM

"we need the facts" Pelosi says

9/12/2019 2:26:46 PM

Corey Lewandowski once again showing how fucking AWFUL Democrat’s are at oversight.

He’s there under subpoena and is basically pissing down Nadlers throat. What even authority does the WH have to put out order on what he can or cannot answer since he has NEVER been an advisor. But they’ll let him get away with it.

9/17/2019 1:49:41 PM

Oh, and that doesn’t excuse the blatantly corrupt and lawless behavior of the entirety of the GOP. Which makes the Democrats feckless ineptitude even worse.

Start real fucking impeachment hearings and make these clowns talk.

9/17/2019 2:02:06 PM

nothing will happen until they start arresting people

[Edited on September 17, 2019 at 2:07 PM. Reason : which they won't]

9/17/2019 2:07:29 PM

quite the hot take, newEarl.

9/17/2019 3:42:55 PM

You accidentally double posted that in chit chat

Also "new" says the lurker/alias that hasn't been here 60 days lol

9/17/2019 4:03:18 PM

thanks for the tip, newEarl fanclub.

9/17/2019 4:06:04 PM

You should do a roast or an open mic, you're killing it!

9/17/2019 5:53:21 PM

uh so anyway, what happened today with Lewandowski? i didnt get to watch any of it.

9/17/2019 6:37:02 PM

Well, that lawyer guy seemed to destroy lewandowskis credibility in real time.

They should def still hold him in contempt tho.

9/17/2019 9:17:23 PM

Yea he got reamed pretty hard. it'd be nice if every last one of these cock fleas had to go through this type of questioning.

9/18/2019 9:15:29 AM

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"@ositanwanevu Too early to say whether this stuff moves any needles at all, but the arguments that impeachment would *definitely be bad* for the Democrats are probably going to look more and more ridiculous as this goes on."

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"@whstancil I mean, I don't know how any Democrat can watch this and not immediately want to subject every single member of the administration to the same thing, for months and months. And they actually have that authority!"

Impeach!!

9/18/2019 9:19:30 AM

Fact check: No, NC House Democrats weren’t at 9/11 ceremony amid contentious GOP vote
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article235162077.html

democrats are bad at politics, the budget was literally on the calendar

9/18/2019 10:05:00 AM

Wait, I was under the impression that Yes, the vote was on the calendar....just as it was on the calendar many other times. But every other time, the vote was pushed....

9/18/2019 12:15:41 PM

if they didn't have the votes for it

republicans added the bill to the calendar on tuesday and said they would be recording votes on wednesday, so democrats should have made sure to show up to prevent that but trusted an off the record comment from a single republican instead because they really suck at this

9/18/2019 12:53:37 PM

PELOSI SAID THEY SHOULD PASS LAWS TO LET A SITTING PRESIDENT BE INDICTED!! YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!

9/20/2019 2:53:00 PM

It’s approaching the point where Pelosi is a bigger hurdle to accountability than the GOP.

9/20/2019 6:43:48 PM

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"PELOSI SAID THEY SHOULD PASS LAWS TO LET A SITTING PRESIDENT BE INDICTED!! YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!"

The Democrats don't know what to do, or say. They're still crying over the Clinton loss. Now they are trying anything and everything to get rid of Trump including impeachment and changing the electoral college rules in blue states. No one in either party is going to jail. Once the Democrats takeover the White House all will be well in Washington for them and it will be the Republicans turn to cry. The Democrats might win the election, if they would focus on policy instead of trying to get rid of Trump.

9/25/2019 12:45:11 AM

Trump's the one committing crimes. The Democrats can choose to look the other way, or they can choose the follow the Constitution and impeach. It's not difficult

9/25/2019 1:18:18 AM

yeah, whatever, keep believing that politics don't supersede the laws.

9/25/2019 2:02:54 AM

^ & ^^^

That's some grade A cynicism right there.

9/25/2019 11:46:40 AM

^It's the truth. If we had a Democrat in the WH with this congress who did the same thing it would be a non-issue. Or if we had a Republican controlled congress right now it would be a non-issue too. My biggest fear is that the standards and rules of American politics are being set with this. Will the next Republican controlled congress retaliate when we have a Democrat in the WH by calling for impeachment?

9/25/2019 7:44:44 PM

^ That already happened officially in the 90’s and calls for Obama to be impeached happened non stop for 8 years. Your hypothetical has been reality for over two decades. What rock are you living under?

With that being said....Trump should be impeached.

9/25/2019 7:57:21 PM

^^
One of the biggest scandals under Obama was the IRS scrutinizing some groups with tea party at a slightly higher rate. GOP almost had a meltdown when Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch.

Trump has already gotten away with massive corruption in how he has interfered in supposedly independent functions of government. Asking a foreign country to chase a baseless conspiracy, telling them to work with your personal lawyer, recruiting the attorney general for a campaign initiative, and then using congressionally appropriated funds as personal leverage is ridiculously far outside the standards of behavior of how an American President is supposed to act.

I don’t think any democrat is worried about retaliation because it’s very abnormal for presidents to act as criminal and corrupt as trump.

[Edited on September 25, 2019 at 8:44 PM. Reason : ]

9/25/2019 8:42:04 PM

She hasn't accomplished anything as speaker and has permanently destroyed the meaning of impeachment. Going forward, no president with the house will ever be impeached and every president without the house will be impeached.

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"Trump's the one committing crimes. The Democrats can choose to look the other way, or they can choose the follow the Constitution and impeach. It's not difficult"

Its always been difficult though. At least until this particular case. I wonder what is so different to democrats about this case than the dozen other .

Impeachable offenses and crimes by Trump and Bush.

No response to Katrina
Lying to start the Iraq war
Starting a war without declaration
Torturing prisoners of war
Spying on US citizens without warrants

Running concentration camps at the border
Denying refugees of their rights to claim asylum
Lying about climate change

Human rights and murders of thousands of Americans couldn't bring Pelosi to impeach a president. Nothing could. Until now. What a joke.

9/26/2019 9:52:28 PM

These people are why the Democratic Party sucks.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/wall-street-democratic-donors-may-back-trump-if-warren-is-nominated.html

9/27/2019 10:44:03 AM

^That's very disturbing

9/27/2019 10:47:18 AM

lol, democrats are going to pass trumps north american trade deal

why are they so bad at this?

10/7/2019 10:14:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa0kDY4VE9c

God damn how does a comedian understand everything better than democrats and their media?

10/8/2019 3:44:24 PM

Please don’t be Jimmy Dore. Please don’t be Jimmy Dore.

FUCK

10/8/2019 4:08:22 PM

who?

10/8/2019 4:54:27 PM

No one's talking about Ellen; the latest casualty to Trump derangement syndrome. Anyone against Trump is a friend to the out of touch liberal elite. There is literally no other standard.

10/10/2019 2:17:25 PM

Man I feel like reading your posts rots my brain

10/10/2019 2:21:23 PM

It has nothing to do with Trump, they're just class allies. Bush's policy did not affect Ellen, even DOMA, because rich gay people aren't discriminated against in the same way that poor gay people are.

10 years after Trump's presidency, if the fat fuck is still alive, Ellen will be doing the same rehabilitation routine with him.

10/10/2019 3:49:25 PM

I like to think that I’m extremely well versed/aware of comedy/comedians, and I’ve never heard of Jimmy Dore

10/10/2019 8:25:07 PM

dtownral would've heard of him if he had been on Joe Rogan

10/10/2019 8:30:10 PM

His whole shtick was criticizing corporate media. Its no coincidence that you people haven't heard him.

[Edited on October 10, 2019 at 8:55 PM. Reason : i not b]

10/10/2019 8:55:39 PM