I ask you, gentlemen, listen sometimes to the moans of an educated man of the nineteenth century suffering from toothache, on the second or third day of the attack, when he is beginning to moan, not as he moaned on the first day, that is, not simply because he has toothache, not just as any coarse peasant, but as a man affected by progress and European civilisation, a man who is "divorced from the soil and the national elements," as they express it now-a-days. His moans become nasty, disgustingly malignant, and go on for whole days and nights. And of course he knows himself that he is doing himself no sort of good with his moans; he knows better than anyone that he is only lacerating and harassing himself and others for nothing; he knows that even the audience before whom he is making his efforts, and his whole family, listen to him with loathing, do not put a ha'porth of faith in him, and inwardly understand that he might moan differently, more simply, without trills and flourishes, and that he is only amusing himself like that from ill-humour, from malignancy. Well, in all these recognitions and disgraces it is that there lies a voluptuous pleasure. As though he would say: "I am worrying you, I am lacerating your hearts, I am keeping everyone in the house awake. Well, stay awake then, you, too, feel every minute that I have toothache. I am not a hero to you now, as I tried to seem before, but simply a nasty person, an impostor. Well, so be it, then! I am very glad that you see through me. It is nasty for you to hear my despicable moans: well, let it be nasty; here I will let you have a nastier flourish in a minute...."

-Notes from Underground, Part I, Chapter IV

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 12:24 AM. Reason : credit due]

11/18/2002 12:19:00 AM

bravo hemo

11/18/2002 12:22:13 AM

"Bravo," you don't even know what the fuck he means by it.

11/18/2002 12:22:36 AM

too many words bunched together in one space, try formatting next time nice waste of space though

11/18/2002 12:23:07 AM

That's a perfectly fine paragraph.

11/18/2002 12:24:02 AM

Quote :

"omfg, apoc, you're just like the little skinny punk in the bar who eggs people on and then when they challenge him, back down and be all like, "yo i didn't mean anything...""

Ok I'm skinny punk, I'm 6'2" and about 160 lbs (yeah I admit I'm pretty skinny). So why does Frosh back down from a skinny punk like me? So he talks aggressively by "forcing the truth" on people, and he wanted to come over to "explain his philosophy." you must have a problem with me, if you are arguing this much, or found it that necessary to "Force the truth" on me."

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 12:25 AM. Reason : to frosh]

11/18/2002 12:24:49 AM

hey "apocalypse" can you use some more "quotation marks" while you're "trying to discredit me" by implying that my "lack of desire for physical violence" "implies" that my "arguments" are somehow "less valid"???????

thx "fag"

11/18/2002 12:25:49 AM

violence aside, we don't have to "put up our dukes." But if you come over, we can still talk about your philosophy if you want.

11/18/2002 12:28:50 AM

I don't know how many times I have to say this:

YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE.

11/18/2002 12:29:23 AM

meet half-way

11/18/2002 12:29:27 AM

alright, do you have a car Frosh? let's meet at ... *anybody know a place that's open?*

11/18/2002 12:30:35 AM

I GUESS AT LEAST ONCE MORE:

YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE

11/18/2002 12:31:08 AM

aha.

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 12:32 AM. Reason : s]

11/18/2002 12:31:46 AM

why do I get ONE chance, and only ONE chance? What is this? Braveheart?

How about McDonald's?

11/18/2002 12:32:14 AM

SURE GO 2 MCDONALD'S

11/18/2002 12:32:56 AM

you going to be there?!?

11/18/2002 12:33:49 AM

GO 2 MCDONALD'S

11/18/2002 12:34:07 AM

And when you go there, don't come back.

11/18/2002 12:35:36 AM

yes or no?

11/18/2002 12:36:18 AM

GO 2 MCDONALD'S

11/18/2002 12:36:49 AM

well I'd hate to go there and my date stand me up, are you going to be there?

11/18/2002 12:38:25 AM

BYE

11/18/2002 12:39:52 AM

and that's all folks.

If frosh ever talks shit to you, about you, "forces the so called truth," ask him to explain a little more elaborately in person, and he will regretfully decline.

Troll and Punk, that's all he is....

11/18/2002 12:44:05 AM

I've met him to discuss things before.

11/18/2002 12:44:44 AM

wish he would with me

well if he won't discuss things with me, and I'm willing to meet him, then I'm just going to have to go McDonald's by myself... eat, then maybe hang out with a few friends....

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 12:46 AM. Reason : s]

11/18/2002 12:46:13 AM

As I remember you ran off when you met him and Hemo/Sol before.

11/18/2002 12:48:21 AM

ask Sorcerer, he was there, that didn't happen, and ask Gozo. If they are even willing to prove that stupid story, it doesn't matter what happened then though, I was willing to show how much of a coward I am again, and then he could laugh all about it all over again.

I'm hungry later...


[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 12:55 AM. Reason : for clarity]

11/18/2002 12:50:00 AM

Sorcerer is sitting right here playing Devil May Cry in my room. I quote:

"He sooooo ran away with his tail between his legs, and I forewarned him, too."

11/18/2002 12:51:13 AM

Quote :

"it doesn't matter what happened then though, I was willing to "run off" again"

I'd reply, but I'm trying to figure out what sort of grammatical construction this is supposed to be.

11/18/2002 12:51:34 AM

Ok, well I'll leave the offer on the table for you.

Let me know if you are a taker...

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 12:56 AM. Reason : nevermind, I'm hungry going to McDonald's]

11/18/2002 12:52:56 AM

Do they magically grow?

11/18/2002 12:55:40 AM

HOW MANY TIMES....

11/18/2002 12:56:27 AM

devil may cry is a scary game

11/18/2002 12:57:25 AM

Quote :

"HOW MANY TIMES...."

I lost count. Too many threads in too many forums.

11/18/2002 1:04:21 AM

I think Bunnicula is Solinari...

11/18/2002 1:10:49 AM

i wouldn't make up such a stupid name and furthermore, I would never post so many pictures of random women in my gallery. that's just not my style.

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 1:12 AM. Reason : s]

11/18/2002 1:12:06 AM

hm... I'm still suspicious, and that would be a perfect way to say "no, I'm not." that's what I'd do if I got another name...

11/18/2002 1:12:52 AM

Having met Matt, I can say that I am not Solinari/Hemogoblin.

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 1:26 AM. Reason : He changed, so no need for my comment]

11/18/2002 1:13:14 AM

you're right. i'm bunnicula.

who else am I? lets see.... hemoglobin, sameal, esthar17, squirtleterd, mr scrumples, etc.

11/18/2002 1:13:58 AM

LOL, ok if you say so...

11/18/2002 1:19:02 AM

NOTICING YOU NEVER SHOWED UP AT MCDONALD'S

11/18/2002 1:25:52 AM

Is McDonalds even still open?

11/18/2002 1:30:30 AM

Twenty four hours a day.

11/18/2002 1:31:32 AM

Hmmm, even more reason to avoid Wendy's.

11/18/2002 1:32:15 AM

Quote :

"and the virginity thing was an argument of correlating you to the victims of this shit. If you had sex before marraige you are a fornicator, and if you are a fornicator, and if you are a fornicator that has had sex with more than one partner (not at the same time of course), you are (from society's defination and usage) a whore. "

funny that a girl who has sex outside of marriage is considered a slut.....BUT apocalypse can do this and nothing happens to him as he quotes:

Quote :

"I'm not a virgin either, "

hmmmmmmm i see a double standard here

Quote :

"Now I don't know how you feel about this, and I realize you don't care and all, but if you were in their position, how would you feel?"

if you read my posts, i stated:

Quote :

"and if my face made it to that ad, i would laugh....."

therefore, i wouldnt give 2 shits.....i would think it was funny and let it go

11/18/2002 1:49:02 AM

if you have sex outside of marriage you are a whore, but if you stick a hairspray bottle in your vagina and post it on the internet you arent? you are an idiot apocalypse.

11/18/2002 1:50:21 AM

Since I'm a virgin, may I call her a slut?

I say slut because I thought a whore gave sex for money.

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 1:52 AM. Reason : ]

11/18/2002 1:51:35 AM

dude, I went over there to the drive-thru, what am I supposed to do stay in my truck and eat?

YOU never showed up, not that I was expecting you, only a 10 minute drive from here and back.

11/18/2002 4:06:23 AM

Hi, bitch, we literally just walked back in. Me, Sorcerer, and dirtynerf.

11/18/2002 4:23:00 AM

ok fine whatever man, I went there at like 1:30 because I was hungry 3 hours ago, then I went to hang out at a friends. Why didn't you just meet me like a normal guy instead of trying to find ways to show up when I'm not there.

[Edited on November 18, 2002 at 4:27 AM. Reason : s]

11/18/2002 4:27:27 AM