3 times as looney

6/11/2025 9:37:45 PM

I’ll never get the whining of some when it comes to Bluesky

it’s not full of nazis, racists, or those who sympathize with them, and it’s not owned by one of the worst people in the world

that’s why it’s better than twitter. I don’t need a 10 page study to tell me otherwise.

6/12/2025 10:25:09 AM

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"it’s not full of nazis, racists, or those who sympathize with them"

you sure about that?

6/12/2025 10:49:16 AM

yes

6/12/2025 10:50:52 AM

Since we're discussing broken social media here
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/x-accounts-peddle-child-abuse-musk-material-thorn-cuts-ties-rcna212107

6/18/2025 9:48:05 PM

Let us continue to discuss john fetterman, Democrat senator from Pennsylvania. Do dems replace him?

6/22/2025 2:23:55 AM

Abolish ice

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"Net approval of ICE: All: -17% DEM: -80% IND: -32% GOP: +60% Quinnipiac / June 24, 2025 "

6/27/2025 10:16:44 PM

^ -1

that kind of thinking failed 6 years ago and it's not gonna work now either. even MSNBC knows it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/SmCNd4jbep4

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1932441141237989444

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"No group has become more hawkish on immigration & shifted to the GOP than immigrants. Immigrant voters -Trust more on immigration in 2020: Dem +32 pt to Now: GOP +8 pt -Net fav of immigrants here illegally: +23 pt in '20, -6 pt in '24 -Trump's vote: 36% in '16 to 47% in '24!"

https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1932447703079833879

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"Trust more on Immigration (among immigrant citizens) 2020: D+32 2025: R+8 Net 40 point swing towards the GOP"

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1932882064577106091

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"Quinnipiac national poll: Trump's approval rating is 38/53. GOP's approval rating is 32/61. But they have one thing going for them — Democrats are even more unpopular. Dems' approval rating is 21/70. The congressional Democratic Party is under water with Democratic voters."

I'm begging you to unplug from progressive media, read the tim urban book, take a few deep breaths, and think about what you want 2050 to look like.

6/27/2025 11:20:51 PM

If trump can abolish USAID cdc nsf nih and nasa

Democrats should abolish ice

Also I’ve been saying abolish ice for 10 years (it hasn’t been around much longer than that anyway). It’s the right thing to do irrespective of what uninformed voters want— they’ll come around once they think about it and someone conveys it correctly.

The current data shows this could be made a populist position since populism is all the rage now.

[Edited on June 28, 2025 at 12:07 AM. Reason : ]

6/28/2025 12:03:06 AM

populism is a cancer.

[Edited on June 28, 2025 at 12:11 AM. Reason : right AND left.]

6/28/2025 12:10:57 AM

agreed, populism is bad, but it sometimes intersects with good policy which makes for good campaigning.

6/28/2025 12:49:27 AM

^^^^

I’m begging you to post polls/tweets/videos that aren’t a few weeks old

6/28/2025 2:09:20 AM

and even with polling on immigration getting worse for him by the week, it shouldn’t fucking matter

Dems need to stop putting their finger to the wind when it comes to issues like this. they need to lead instead of reacting

immigration is great, and the current administration and their goons are evil. don’t in any way align yourself with what they are doing

6/28/2025 12:32:02 PM

Or maybe you should abandon the Dems instead of pretending they are something they aren't or trying to take over something you can't.

What are you going to do when they team up behind the scenes with Republicans to sink Mamdani? Hide on bluesky and blame "the nazis" ??

6/28/2025 1:41:06 PM

Classic 2min Ted talk on leading



[Edited on June 28, 2025 at 2:45 PM. Reason : Abolish ice]

6/28/2025 2:43:28 PM

Democratic socialism is literally the future



https://bsky.app/profile/stephenwolf.bsky.social/post/3lsqz6erqd22o

6/29/2025 1:02:27 PM

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"Or maybe you should abandon the Dems instead of pretending they are something they aren't or trying to take over something you can't."

The nature of the political system in this country more or less necessitates usurping one of the two existing parties. It's been happening pretty much constantly since we stabilized with the names "Democrat" and "Republican" in the mid-1800s.

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"What are you going to do when they team up behind the scenes with Republicans to sink Mamdani?"

There's already plenty of rumbling about primary challenges and I expect that momentum to increase. They probably won't oust all of the collaborators, but at least it'll put the fear of God into some.

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"Abolish ice"

If the Big Bill passes ICE will have a gargantuan budget. Tens of billions of dollars. More than the United States Marine Corps. It will have the funds to become the largest jailer in the country and have more agents than the FBI. It will be absurdly bloated and, I hope and expect, make itself even more hated. "Abolish ICE" is not a radical position anymore. "Prosecute ICE" would be.

You don't have to abolish the concept of immigration enforcement (though of course I'd love to). Those duties can be returned to their properly modest scale and assigned to one of the other relevant agencies, like CBP, FBI, or even State (DSS already handles passport and visa fraud). But the name "ICE" is going to be toxic well beyond the left fringe for a long time.

6/29/2025 2:13:55 PM

7/3/2025 3:07:24 PM

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/when-moderation-becomes-appeasement-keir-starmer-united-kingdom-labour-reform-immigration-trans-issues

Imo this column does a good job expressing what I feel when st texan or others imply that strongly calling out Trump's behavior is bad bc Trump won. If you belive that what Trump did in his previous term was bad, and impeachable, and you believe that what he is doing now is even worse, you should say so. The impact of a loss should not be to change your values but to do a better job convincing others why those values are critically important to enforce through policy.

7/10/2025 4:13:51 PM

I wouldn't say bad so much as it is a pick your battles, and often times the battles the progressive wing picks are things a wide swath of the population doesn't care about, or worse, makes the party look out of touch. Cue moron with a poll how people align with dems 80% of the time when presented the sides etc etc

7/10/2025 6:28:29 PM

Fair enough if I misrepresented your take, but I think this is a critical battle. The Democratic Party, not just the left, need to explain not just that 'Trump is bad' but explain exactly what we are losing and at risk of never getting back. I understand might be impossible, but imo they MUST try.

7/10/2025 11:49:24 PM

If we’re at a point to where calling out Trump’s bad behavior makes you part of the progressive left, then we have a problem.

Also if that’s our criteria, I’m part of the progressive left.

7/11/2025 8:12:56 AM

It seems like only ya certain portion is willing to continue to call our impeachable actions


Anyway, Fetterman again, vs his wife
https://www.reddit.com/r/agedlikemilk/s/gkznrJJ5Pp

Praises ice while wife was an undocumented immigrant

[Edited on July 11, 2025 at 10:12 AM. Reason : Can't make the Pic work]

7/11/2025 10:09:44 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/american-eagle-sydney-sweeney-heat-165448508.html

you silly woke pussies have got to stop doing this shit.

7/30/2025 7:35:24 PM

I didn't see one progressive Dem quoted in the piece, even checked the fox news piece, so seems like your anger is misdirected.

7/30/2025 9:01:01 PM

I'm not talking about elected politicians.

I'm saying that some people--and I know they're probably an annoyingly vocal minority--are up in arms crying Nazi/racist/etc--and I'm willing to bet where they reside politically.

Shit like that is annoying, but of more consequence, it's MAGA fuel.

7/30/2025 9:14:00 PM

^fair

7/30/2025 9:18:09 PM

The use of "you" sure seems to paint a whole political faction with the views of tiktok users. The internet is always going to be full of stupid shit.

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"great example of a common dynamic: anything that anyone vaguely left-coded on the internet says is associated with and becomes a problem for “the democratic party” There is the actual Democratic Party, which for better or worse is a mostly ordinary liberal political party and then there is the “Democratic Party,” a synecdoche for everything that annoys you online."

https://bsky.app/profile/jamellebouie.net/post/3lv7hx32xx223

And for the tww of it all, it also seems silly to have a credibility watch mean credibility of tiny groups of maybe voters (wouldn't surprise if half the folks involved don't vote)

[Edited on July 30, 2025 at 9:40 PM. Reason : Maybe media shouldn't make every tiktok trend out to be news ]

Closest "big" voice I could find was Krystal Ball, reddit implies she talked about it, and an MSNBC opinion column by someone who seems to mostly write entertainment rage bait.

[Edited on July 30, 2025 at 9:56 PM. Reason : E]

7/30/2025 9:39:12 PM

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/07/sydney-sweeney-american-eagle-ads/683704/?gift=bQgJMMVzeo8RHHcE1_KM0Rqh-RBCXaXmzfBoTU_lwXk&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

here’s a good piece about the absurdity of all of it

7/31/2025 1:15:56 AM

^awesome post, thanks for sharing

I particularly liked this:

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"But it’s not only the right that cherry-picks. In their rush to publish viral news stories explaining the controversy, the media credulously grab examples of supposed outrage—regardless of whether the accounts in question have tens of thousands of followers (and actual influence) or just a handful. One BuzzFeed story quoted an Instagram comment from a user who is not a public figure, just a person with 119 followers. This kind of amplification, where nonpublic figures become stand-ins for public opinion, is a dangerous game. It distorts the conversation, sending a flood of attention to posts from small accounts, often in the form of other users who pile on and excoriate the original poster. In turn, this leads to the otherwise inconsequential post taking on the appearance of relevance, causing more outrage. What ends up happening in these scenarios is that everyone gets very mad, in a way that allows for a touch of moral superiority and is also good for creating online content. The Sweeney ad, like any good piece of discourse, allows everyone to exploit a political and cultural moment for different ends. Some of it is well intentioned. Some of it is cynical. Almost all of it persists because there are deeper things going on that people actually want to fight about. The polarized discourse obscures the real possibility that the majority of people encountering this ad are uninvested, passive consumers. Rather than having any conviction at all about the entire affair, they’re consuming this discourse the way that people consume sports content about player infighting in a locker room or the way that people read celebrity gossip. Perhaps this is why American Eagle hasn’t issued a panicked statement about the ad or why its stock price, barring a small fluctuation, hasn’t changed much. For some, the stakes are high; for others, this is content to be consumed in a moment of boredom."

7/31/2025 1:36:40 AM

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1EEQUuiKZj/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Lol

7/31/2025 2:31:36 AM

This is a really bad place for progressives to be in because, yes the problem is stupid, but also the solutions are stupid too.

7/31/2025 7:39:38 AM

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-monday-85-minutes-talking-about-sydney-sweeney-3-minutes-talking-about-epstein

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" Fox News since Monday: 85 minutes talking about Sydney Sweeney, 3 minutes talking about Epstein"

what an odd coincidence

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" the right wing media ecosystem is so efficiently set up to take random posts from non public figures and turn them into pseudoevents. to the point where the entire social media system rn really just favors their viral propaganda machine."

https://bsky.app/profile/cwarzel.bsky.social/post/3lvc67kg2i22p

[Edited on July 31, 2025 at 6:29 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2025 6:26:12 PM

That Atlantic article is great, and can be applied to so many things that are going on right now.

7/31/2025 7:17:43 PM

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"I'm saying that some people--and I know they're probably an annoyingly vocal minority--are up in arms crying Nazi/racist/etc--and I'm willing to bet where they reside politically."

It's a handful of terminally online weirdos! They're not even "vocal," they're just afflicted with verbal diarrhea on social media.

There are also rightoid incel freaks online who claim that Sydney Sweeny (or pick any other obviously gorgeous, clearly female celebrity) is ugly, is a man, has masculine features and therefore must be XXY, etc. These people are the funhouse mirror reflection of the people you're talking about.

The difference between the left and the far right isn't that we have internet freaks, it's that we don't have a vast media apparatus built around amplifying their internet freaks.

I'm sorry, but I have no patience for someone who takes the position of, "If any obnoxious rando claims your political affiliation then you must answer for their obnoxiousness." Call me when someone running for Congress says this shit.

7/31/2025 8:08:48 PM

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"And for the tww of it all, it also seems silly to have a credibility watch mean credibility of tiny groups of maybe voters (wouldn't surprise if half the folks involved don't vote) [Edited on July 30, 2025 at 9:40 PM. Reason : Maybe media shouldn't make every tiktok trend out to be news ] "

I guess what I'm advocating for is that the political left needs to tell these crybabies to shut. the. fuck. up. Stop being ridiculous, shut the fuck up.

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"Fox News since Monday: 85 minutes talking about Sydney Sweeney, 3 minutes talking about Epstein""

OMG, really? I didn't know this was actually that big of a story. Fox News is that balls-deep in it? I mean I guess I'm not surprised.

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""If any obnoxious rando claims your political affiliation then you must answer for their obnoxiousness." Call me when someone running for Congress says this shit. "

I disagree, at least partly. I don't think you people must answer for it, per se...but I do think that the left has created a fertile cultural ground for shit like this.

I'll call out the right when they're off the mark. I feel like I spend 80-90% of the time defending the left and calling out the right, even though I lean somewhat to the right...but while this isn't mainstream left woke-ism, it has certainly been enabled by it.

It's maybe a little like how I don't think the typical Republican would support Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville chanting "Jews Will Not Replace Us!"

...but damned if they haven't enabled a culture where others do.

7/31/2025 9:04:38 PM

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"I disagree, at least partly. I don't think you people must answer for it, per se...but I do think that the left has created a fertile cultural ground for shit like this."

I'll call out the right left when they're off the mark. I feel like I spend 80-90% of the time defending the left non-left and calling out the right left, even though I lean somewhat to the right left

It's maybe a little like how I don't think the typical Republican Progressive would support Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville Palestine chanting "Jews Will Not Replace Us!"

...but damned if they haven't enabled a culture where others do.

[Edited on July 31, 2025 at 9:16 PM. Reason : handshake meme]

[Edited on July 31, 2025 at 9:18 PM. Reason : youknowyoumissedit...shut. the. fuck. up. Stop being ridiculous, shut the fuck up.]

7/31/2025 9:15:48 PM

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" I guess what I'm advocating for is that the political left needs to tell these crybabies to shut. the. fuck. up. Stop being ridiculous, shut the fuck up."

there is zero reason to give them the attention that they desperately crave

there are also about a million other, more serious issues that the political left should focus on. it’s absurd to want them to comment on whatever ridiculous trending topic of the hour happens to be

7/31/2025 10:01:54 PM

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"It's maybe a little like how I don't think the typical Republican would support Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville chanting "Jews Will Not Replace Us!" "

I mean a key difference is the the vast majority of Republican elected and appointed officials do, in fact, support this and are actively putting in place policies in this vein.

7/31/2025 10:24:11 PM

shut. the. fuck. up. Stop being ridiculous, shut the fuck up.

7/31/2025 11:06:20 PM

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"I guess what I'm advocating for is that the political left needs to tell these crybabies to shut. the. fuck. up. Stop being ridiculous, shut the fuck up. "

They should just not address it and dismiss any questions about it as outside the purview of policy.

The right wants to blow it up into an issue because all they have is culture war now.

It’s not actually wrong for people to be conscientious either about subtext in commercials.. Society should have robust discussions on things like this, and more, but we shouldn’t fear politicians weaponizing this into something sinister. That’s one of the core problems with MAGA, it’s why populism is mostly bad, it just takes the half assed, uninformed gut feelings of the masses and turns it straight into policy. Talking about things exploratorily used to be what we thought of as freedom of speech, but now every take has to be connected to a call to action which is where things break down. culture should be allowed to evolve separately of politics as much as possible.

7/31/2025 11:55:48 PM

^^ there is absolutely nothing about that post that is ridiculous

the modern right is full of people who are sympathetic and even outright fans of those who marched in Charlottesville

[Edited on August 1, 2025 at 12:03 AM. Reason : .]

8/1/2025 12:02:31 AM

A huge chunk of the gop leadership including trump and most of his admin are white supremacists. Nazis (their spiritual successors) are running the United States government now

If we have to choose between this and people who want to defund the police or ban advanced placement classes, the latter historically is far easier to come back from— especially if we get reduced inequality or more fair and just social systems.

8/1/2025 12:34:43 AM

We didn't even post this in the other thread but this is conveniently IN Charlottesville
https://apnews.com/article/university-of-virginia-dei-james-ryan-6f8cfc43738944ca8164ab20814c5695

I mean they were marching to avoid the removal of a confederate statue, this amin will def work to prevent that.

On the other hand, a kamala Harris admin wouldn't have had shit to say about Sydney Sweeney

8/1/2025 6:59:55 AM

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" I don't think you people must answer for it, per se...but I do think that the left has created a fertile cultural ground for shit like this."

This isn't true, at all. The Internet is the fertile ground. It is where people go to make hot takes to get attention from the mob. Some of those bad takes will be from the right, done of them will be from the left, and a lot of them will just be divorced from reality without an actual political backing.

If, right now, the leftmost mainstream political position in the United States were Joe Manchin, then someone posting like Pete Buttigeig would be the left edgelord and we'd still get blamed for creating him. It's horseshit.

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"t's maybe a little like how I don't think the typical Republican would support Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville chanting "Jews Will Not Replace Us!""

It isn't, for many reasons that you're smart enough to know. There's a difference between online shut-ins posting and a mob moving through the streets waving torches and, least we forget, ramming cars into opponents and killing one. There's a difference between whiny college students who don't think any candidate is good enough, and neo-nazis who believe that the governing party supports them and will carry out their goals. There's a difference between progressive liberal politicians who don't really engage with their side's fringe online positions and who do not, any of them, take the weird position we're talking about here... And Republicans who actively court them and whose political leader calls them "good people."

Get the fuck out of here with this. Nazi mobs are not in the same country as the league that the ballpark is in with these Sweeney nuts.

8/1/2025 9:19:17 AM

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" Since Monday, Fox News has spent an hour and 25 minutes covering an American Eagle commercial in which Sydney Sweeney talks about her “good jeans,” and just 3 minutes of coverage to developments in the administration’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein saga. https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-monday-85-minutes-talking-about-sydney-sweeney-3-minutes-talking-about-epstein "

8/1/2025 10:20:14 AM

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"shut. the. fuck. up. Stop being ridiculous, shut the fuck up."

This plays in my head every time I see qntmfred post in a thread about the genocide in Palestine and equates it to antisemitism.

8/1/2025 12:37:01 PM

so uh have any high profile Democrats called the Sweeney eugenics thing stupid yet

8/1/2025 1:17:41 PM

^^ that's because you don't understand what the conflict is about. religious people from religious cultures do things for religious reasons.

[Edited on August 1, 2025 at 1:48 PM. Reason : you'd think being familiar with the bible belt this wouldn't be so hard to make y'all understand]

8/1/2025 1:48:03 PM

I think everyone understands that Muslims and Jews don't get along well. You still can't explode civilians and starve children.

8/1/2025 2:23:48 PM