I'm tryna be serious, but:

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"Walker says that in his congregation, those who can vote are outnumbered by those who cannot."

This church sounds awesome. Sincerely.

[Edited on December 14, 2015 at 1:58 AM. Reason : I think the article's interesting, but it's in the wrong thread.]

12/14/2015 1:54:36 AM

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" wrong thread"

12/14/2015 9:32:27 AM

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"Prosecutors said the pair bought guns, ammunition and tactical gear, and Marquez told investigators he agreed to purchase the weapons because "his appearance was Caucasian," while Farook, the U.S-born son of Pakistani immigrants, "looked Middle Eastern"

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0U01OQ20151218

12/17/2015 10:18:48 PM

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"A neighborhood in Richmond had to be evacuated Sunday when police say a man was making explosives in his home with the intent of harming the Muslim community. Police received a tip from a caller on December 17th who said a man was making the devices and threatening to harm Muslims."

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/12/20/tip-leads-bomb-squad-to-man-suspected-of-making-bombs-in-richmond-home-to-harm-muslims/

Man someone needs to do something about all these white people coming to this country, can't deny the connection to violence and skin color, amirite?

12/21/2015 11:21:17 AM

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html

So apparently some terrorists, including members of the Clive Bundy family are occupying federal property by force and have demanded the government cede a national park to them.

1/3/2016 1:17:54 AM

Here's some info on the charges they were originally protesting: http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

1/3/2016 1:53:58 AM

are Feds just going to blockade them or take em out Waco style. the suspense is real

1/3/2016 7:45:15 AM

^^ do you see no problem with them completing their sentence then a judge telling them they need to go back and serve more time?

1/3/2016 8:51:44 AM

Yea I have a big problem with what was done to these people. They served their time. And at the same time in California, people who have had their three strikes penalties are getting commuted left and right.

But I certainly don't condone their manner of protest.

At the same time though, no buildings have burned, no stores have been looted...

1/3/2016 9:03:30 AM

I'm not a lawyer but....

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"The court vacated the original, unlawful sentences and ordered that the Hammonds be resentenced “in compliance with the law.” "

1/3/2016 9:08:00 AM

One might say there are avenues for people to follow who feel they've been wronged. None of those avenues include armed men taking a federal building.

1/3/2016 9:23:14 AM

Could you imagine the shit storm if this was a Muslim group?

1/3/2016 9:57:35 AM

^^ Agreed, but of course MaximaDrvr will be the first to condone their actions

1/3/2016 10:11:03 AM

It completely pisses me off and frustrates me that we have to walk on eggshells around these ignorant criminals. My worst reaction would be a yawn if they were blown away tomorrow, but the Feds actually have to consider all the terrorists that might come out of the woodwork if they don't play the situation correctly. This "sovereign citizen" bullshit has gotten out of hand - time to open the FEMA death camps I guess

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 10:15 AM. Reason : So glad this seems to be mostly isolated on the west coast]

1/3/2016 10:14:23 AM

So, they took over an unoccupied, unlocked, and open to the public building.
The news saying it was an armed takeover are just being sensational.
At this point it is pretty much just a sit it.

The men were jailed to clearing invasive plant life and doing fire control.
They served the time they were sentenced and then released.

Yet, the BLM has completed uncontrolled burns that have killed livestock and takes out people's homes, yet there was not even apologies or acknowledgement of wrong doing.

1/3/2016 10:14:24 AM

MaximaDrivr buys porn on VHS, follows fake conservative news sites, and probably has an email list for forwards.. he is basically a caricature of a family's old idiot red neck uncle

1/3/2016 10:17:44 AM

They set fire to land that wasn't theirs to cover up poaching. They argued that 5 years for arson is cruel and unusual, the appeals courts disagreed, and now they need to serve their time.

It's not a sit in if you are armed to the teeth and threatening to shoot if approached.

1/3/2016 10:19:00 AM

^ that isn't what has happened at all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-ranchers-occupy-national-wildlife-refuge_56888a61e4b0b958f65be382

Yes, huffpo is so conservative.

Oh, and Vox, so right leaning...
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/3/10703712/oregon-militia-standoff


[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 10:23 AM. Reason : .]

1/3/2016 10:19:49 AM

Sounds like a terrorist apologist.

1/3/2016 10:20:12 AM

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"It's not a sit in if you are armed to the teeth and threatening to shoot if approached."

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM. Reason : a fucking sit in lol "Kumbaya My Lord, Kumbayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" ]

1/3/2016 10:21:08 AM

Some ranchers made a fire that spread to BLM land. They also set a fire to destroy evidence of deer poaching. The federal government charged them with arson and managed to get a conviction. They were sentenced and served the sentenced issued initially.The sentence wasn't randomly lengthened. There's a five year mandatory minimum sentence for arson on federal land. The Hammonds argued against this, and the trial court agreed with them and imposed a mere year-long sentence, but then the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the federal law and demanded a five-year sentence be served.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison Bundy calls on his army from his protest to show up and help protest these ranchers going to jail.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/12/ranchers_fight_with_feds_spark.html

Here is more info about the arson:
They deliberately started one fire to hide a slaughter of elk on federally-protected land and started another to protect animal feed during a burn ban.
http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

They flew their plane over the federal land in order to see where they wanted to burn, set multiple fires on several different occasions, burned a neighbor's property, set property on fire where they knew there were firefighters in the immediate vicinity and actually threatened a firefighter that they'd say he was the one who set the fires if he told law enforcement what they had done. These guys needed the book thrown at them.
http://landrights.org/or/Hammond/Hammond_superseding-indictment%20May%2017%202012.pdf

also arrested in 1994 for threatening Fish & Wildlife workers and not allowing them to build a fence around an irrigation canal in order to protect it from being destroyed by their cattle, and issued death threats to the refuge managers three times. http://www.hcn.org/issues/20/582


but please, MaximaDrvr, please continue to tell us about how these gentlemen are just good honest sovereign citizens

1/3/2016 10:24:32 AM

I guess it depends on if you want to take them for their word or believe what they were successfully prosecuted on. Read the Oregon justice department release posted above
http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 10:27 AM. Reason : ^you fast tho]

1/3/2016 10:26:39 AM

Funny, I've not said anything about sovereign citizens.

From the flawed perspective that the .gov is always right, then yes, they are in the wrong.
From the perspective of following the constitution, the .gov is not on solid ground.

Seems to me if BLM is constantly getting into legal battles with ranchers that have held family land for 100+ years! then there is a problem. It reeks of issues like the IRS.

Should the militia be occupying federal land, no. Do I disagree with their position, no.

1/3/2016 10:31:42 AM

how many pounds of porn do you own?

1/3/2016 10:32:27 AM

Don't know,what does an iPad weight?

I'm sure attempted personal attacks really help your position

1/3/2016 10:36:43 AM

If it's not their land how do they have any rights over it outside of a lease which can be removed.

Honest question.

1/3/2016 10:37:53 AM

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"Should the militia be occupying federal land, no."

So you're cool with poaching on federal lands and burning it, but not occupying it. At least you can draw some sort of line, I guess.

1/3/2016 10:39:50 AM

This is just a small portion of MaximaDrvr's porn, this lot weighs 8 lbs:

1/3/2016 11:10:12 AM

^^^ in many cases it was the farmers land, but the .gov used eminent domain to take the land.
Then the gov would try to lease it back to them to maintain the use that was already there. Then the gov will bloc the natural water ways for 'conservation' though they had been used for hundreds of years.

Current legal battle ongoing in Texas over just this issue.


Oh look, more attempted personal attacks....

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 11:12 AM. Reason : .]

1/3/2016 11:11:55 AM

what's the point of having a serious discussion with you when you've already proven that you are a joke?

1/3/2016 11:14:58 AM

what's the point of having a serious discussion with you when you've already proven that you are a joke?

1/3/2016 11:17:18 AM

MaximaDrvr what should the penalty be for everyone occupying that building right now and refusing to leave?

1/3/2016 11:21:16 AM

progs claim to be the more tolerant ones but both IRL and online they love to jump to personal attacks against anyone with dissenting opinions. makes them look childish imo

1/3/2016 11:24:08 AM

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"One militiaman created a “goodbye video” to his family, presumably preparing to fight to the death."

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"Armed men seize federal building and threaten violence to anyone who attempts to remove them - but CNN calls them protesters not terrorists. #mustbewhitemen"

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"The AP and ABC are (rightfully) being taken to task on Twitter for headlines calling these guys “peaceful protestors.” But it’s understandable I guess. These guys aren’t scary like a 12 year old black kid playing with a pellet gun in the park."

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 11:32 AM. Reason : ^ everybody does that...and to call this porn thing a personal attack is silly. more like making fun]

1/3/2016 11:31:42 AM

I'm just wondering why there are no black people represented in that porn collection? Is there something wrong with an ebony twat being stuffed, or an Indian cock getting slurped?! Racism.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 11:34 AM. Reason : I joke, but I would be mortified if TWW found my porn titles. No one needs to know what my kink is.]

1/3/2016 11:33:05 AM

armed thugs

1/3/2016 11:33:35 AM

embrace the darkness sounds like it should be a black porn (or interracial at least)

1/3/2016 11:37:14 AM

^^^^ I believe many in occupy and #blm have both threatened violence! or have actually perpetrated violent acts.

You can't cherry pick.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 11:46 AM. Reason : ^]

1/3/2016 11:45:48 AM

I too would like to know what punishment maxomadrivr wants to see.

They had 2 weeks to explain their side to a jury of their peers, and were convicted (for a second time). I'm thinking there's more to this than the government took their land. I would even be sympathetic to this grievance had they remained peaceful like occupy wall street or blacklivesmatter.

But they aren't justified seizing public property by force, demanding to only be accountable to their own brand of shariah law, and stating they're willing to kill and die for their own type of caliphate.

This incident is a great lesson for how to fight ISIS though, we are seeing first hand how easy it is for people to be radicalized, and how a diseased ideology can spread amongst seemingly normal people. Hopefully the pentagon is taking notes.

1/3/2016 11:46:48 AM

Again, #blm and occupy are not peaceful.

Expressing their first amendment while exercising the second is not terrorism. The courts have already ruled that.
Why is it that occupy and #blm can take over government buildings and you are fine with it?

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 11:50 AM. Reason : .]

1/3/2016 11:47:45 AM

Maxima, you going to answer my question? What should the punishment be for this occupation of a federal building, and don't dodge it by saying other groups haven't been punished.

1/3/2016 11:48:01 AM

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"I believe many in occupy and #blm have both threatened violence! or have actually perpetrated violent acts."

I believe you mean and/or, not both/or

And I've never argued otherwise.

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"Again, #blm and occupy are not peaceful."

Occupy protests are still going on?

1/3/2016 11:48:13 AM

So your disagreement is with the tense that I am using?

Not my job to determine their 'punishment'. Based on the other protest groups history, and wanting to be fair and equal, then they should have trespass charges, of which most will be dismissed.

1/3/2016 11:52:16 AM

lol

joke sauce

1/3/2016 11:55:43 AM

Thanks for avoiding the issue!

1/3/2016 11:56:21 AM

i find it interesting these guys are all bent out of shape over the Bureau of Land Management when the IRS is WAY worse and affects everyone not just wealthy ranchers

1/3/2016 11:58:34 AM

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"Again, #blm and occupy are not peaceful. "

Yes they are/were.

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" Expressing their first amendment while exercising the second is not terrorism. The courts have already ruled that. Why is it that occupy and #blm can take over government buildings and you are fine with it?"

Lol so having the leader of a cause directly threatening to kill police/agents that are enforcing the law is what the courts rules as okay? I don't think so...

1/3/2016 12:03:33 PM

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"So your disagreement is with the tense that I am using?"

More like making fun.

1/3/2016 12:06:13 PM

brandishing a weapon, threatening officers, resisting arrest, aren't all these felonies?

1/3/2016 12:08:35 PM

From 2014.


Laying prone, firearm aimed at federal agents and behind cover. Nah bro, totally peaceful movement.

1/3/2016 12:12:47 PM