What is a gun lock? Is it where you're supposed to lock up your firearms and whatnot?

That makes sense, but if there's an obsessive type, prowler, peeping tom in your personal life or neighborhood, it seems like you'd want to have your weapon more available during that time.

Requiring people to lock up their firearms by law seems unenforceable. It's just something they can add on or get you with after something goes wrong...right?

10/7/2015 1:55:21 AM

^ pretty much would be a 'feel good' law so people feel they are "doing something about it"

10/7/2015 2:03:07 AM

This is pretty much what's included in the box with any handgun purchase. The idea is that you can lock it behind the trigger. That way, a little kid who just pulls on the trigger of a loaded gun with a chambered round can't fire it. Unless of course they figure out how that complicated key and lock mechanical system works.



[Edited on October 7, 2015 at 2:06 AM. Reason : this is a pretty rare picture. most of these strange devices are still in the original cellophane.]

10/7/2015 2:05:13 AM

^ supposed to go through the open bolt, rather than the trigger - but same effect

10/7/2015 2:30:52 AM

DC required guns to be unassembled or bound by a trigger lock, the Supreme Court decided that this was unconstitutional because it prevented the gun from being used for the lawful purpose of self-defense


If legislation requiring locks was written for circumstances when you are away it would probably be okay though

10/7/2015 8:55:04 AM

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/general-news/20151006/gun-owner-shoots-at-suspected-shoplifters-outside-auburn-hills-home-depot

10/7/2015 9:57:11 AM

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/07/customer-shoots-at-shoplifter/73548972/

10/7/2015 8:32:31 PM

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"a Home Depot lot as store security chased a shoplifter"

looks like the store security didn't want Arthur Blank coming down their face

10/7/2015 8:34:07 PM

LOL

10/7/2015 11:08:13 PM

So no one has any comment about this legal concealed weapon holder who decided to pull and fire her gun, in a public place, in a non-life threatening situation? Or about how she wasnt arrested?

10/8/2015 7:06:24 AM

concealed carry proponents should be up in arms calling for her to be charged

10/8/2015 9:16:16 AM

^^Lady is an obvious retard. This is why I'd love to at least see a more intense class when you get your concealed license. The one you take now is adequate, but not enough.

I think any concealed carry or gun rights advocate would call this lady a fucktard.

10/8/2015 10:45:59 AM

Paging Rush

his CCW class was pretty comprehensive and really drove the point home that SELF DEFENSE is the point of it all. not vigilante justice for shoplifters.

10/8/2015 10:59:39 AM

http://www.wral.com/officials-1-dead-3-wounded-in-university-shooting-in-ariz-/14957697/

10/9/2015 1:18:22 PM

Drug dealers meet in an elementary school parking lot at 3am, deal goes sour, 3 drug dealers are shot

"Another massacre at an elementary school"

10/9/2015 1:27:31 PM

2nd amendment 2nd grader stands his ground against toddler brother

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-man-held-on-75k-bail-after-son-6-fatally-shoots-brother-3-20151018-story.html

10/19/2015 10:27:23 AM

If only congress would pass stricter gun control laws... if there is one thing a law-breaking gang member with an illegal weapon respects, it's the law.

10/19/2015 2:02:25 PM

Unarmed 20 year old woman, robbed at gunpoint, wrestles with her assailant, relieves him of his weapon, and kills him with it. http://hamptonroads.com/2015/10/police-man-was-trying-rob-woman-when-fatally-shot-near-western-branch-high-school#_ga=1.55746859.1485240939.1445308736 http://wavy.com/2015/10/18/teenager-shot-dead-near-western-branch-high-school/

10/19/2015 10:39:54 PM

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and toddlers.

10/19/2015 10:48:25 PM

If you don't have a gun, how else are you supposed to protect yourself from a cop murdering you for no good reason?

10/19/2015 11:01:59 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/four-year-old-shot-head-albuquerque-road-rage-incident-police-n448161

If only this guy had a gun on him, his daughter would still be dead but maybe the other guy would pay for it.

10/20/2015 11:20:52 PM

If only New Mexico passed laws that banned shooting into cars on the highway this would never have happened

10/20/2015 11:37:59 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/nyregion/police-officer-is-shot-in-east-harlem.html?_r=0

Pretty sad situation, seems like they might have caught the guy at least.

10/21/2015 12:08:48 AM

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"“This is when crews of kids start robbing and stabbing each other,” said the Rev. Dr. Vernon Williams, who is known locally as the “pastor on deck.”"

Good guys with knives ITT

10/21/2015 12:17:36 AM

If only someone had told the shooter that the gun he was using was illegally obtained, he wouldn't have used it.

If only someone had told him murder was illegal, too. When will congress wake up and pass stricter anti-murder laws???

10/21/2015 12:16:07 PM

Logic!

10/21/2015 12:25:47 PM

^^ you're advocating for getting rid of murder laws??

10/21/2015 12:28:16 PM

No, we need stricter anti-murder laws to deter people from committing murder!

Just like we need stricter gun control laws to deter law breakers from owning guns!

10/21/2015 12:35:01 PM

I believe the thought is that stricter gun laws would eventually make obtaining guns illegally more difficult. Of course, with the number of guns in America now, that would take quite a while.

It seems that your logic would support removing laws that make it difficult for citizens to obtain grenades, mortars, landmines, rocket launchers, mustard gas and anthrax.

10/21/2015 12:57:02 PM

^ JCE knows what he's saying is idiocy, i just want him to admit this.

10/21/2015 1:11:38 PM

My logic is that laws don't deter law-breakers from breaking laws.

The logic behind this thread seems to be "The Soap Box Thread discussion had too many facts and statistics, lets whine about guns being bad here".

Thanks to the 2nd amendment, an irresponsible gang member parent leaves a 6 year old with access to a loaded, illegally purchased handgun. When will the evil NRA and gun nut Conservatives let us pass feel-good laws so we can feel like we have done something?

10/21/2015 1:35:35 PM

the purpose of gun control laws is not for the law to change the mind of a criminal, the intention is to reduce the number of guns thereby reducing the number of guns used in crimes

to put it more plainly, instead of "[telling] the shooter that the gun he was using was illegally obtained" they want to make it harder for the shooter to have gotten the gun in the first place

you're welcome to argue if proposed gun control will be effective at reducing the number of guns, but your criticism of it is retarded and you are probably aware of that

10/21/2015 1:52:00 PM

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" My logic is that laws don't deter law-breakers from breaking laws."

Is this from some NRA white paper on how to derail gun control discussions? I see it all the time and its the biggest load of bullshit yet seems to be one of the foundational arguments by gun nuts.

There are a lot of laws that make thousands of actions and items illegal, and yet they get ignored in this argument all the time.

Laws are an effective deterrent, thats why we don't see kids blowing up schools with grenades, or RPGs, or C4. They can't just go into daddy's closet and arm themselves to the teeth with dynamite and machine guns.

We have tighter control laws on all kinds of dangerous equipment and machines that pose no problem to any americans, yet for some reason we have to pussyfoot around weapons.

[Edited on October 21, 2015 at 1:54 PM. Reason : ]

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" the intention is to reduce the number of guns thereby reducing the number of guns used in crimes"

My parents have a neighbor who lives by the philosophy that "if I know how many guns I have, I don't have enough"
This dude literally has hundreds of guns in his house and thousands of rounds of ammo. All of them purchased legally and because of our current gun laws, no one, even the owner, knows whats in that house.

It would take a weekend vacation and a crowbar to arm all of Wake County's gang members. Yet loonies still want to argue that reasonable changes to gun control are ineffective and therefore we shouldn't do anything.

[Edited on October 21, 2015 at 1:59 PM. Reason : ]

10/21/2015 1:53:58 PM

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" the intention is to reduce the number of guns thereby reducing the number of guns used in crimes"

No, the actual intention, of EVERYONE, is to minimize mass shootings. The issue is, at what cost do we do this?
"Reducing the total number of guns" and hoping it trickles down to guns used in crimes is idiotic.

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"they want to make it harder for the shooter to have gotten the gun in the first place"

There are 300 million plus firearms already in the US, too late.

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" Laws are an effective deterrent,"

Like with prohibition, and the war on drugs, right?

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"thats why we don't see kids blowing up schools with grenades, or RPGs, or C4. They can't just go into daddy's closet and arm themselves to the teeth with dynamite and machine guns."

You’re right, and it’s illegal for kids to fly their daddy’s stealth bomber above their school and nuke it, see how effective that law is as a deterrent?

I think the difference in history, cost, availability, utility, and precision between wartime explosives and semi-automatic weapons is self-explanatory, I would hope.

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" It would take a weekend vacation and a crowbar to arm all of Wake County's gang members. Yet loonies still want to argue that reasonable changes to gun control are ineffective and therefore we shouldn't do anything."

Yes, hypothetically criminals can steal weapons… so we should implement restrictions on law abiding citizens, just because criminals can steal from them???

10/21/2015 3:19:53 PM

I think the idea is that no one should need to own an arsenal that big. Maybe a restriction on the amount of guns people can own would be a step in the right direction at least?

10/21/2015 3:36:20 PM

Logic

10/21/2015 3:36:38 PM

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"I think the idea is that no one should need to own an arsenal that big. Maybe a restriction on the amount of guns people can own would be a step in the right direction at least?"

Fortunately the bill of rights did not mention "perceived need" by others as a condition of validity.

10/21/2015 3:51:17 PM

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"Like with prohibition, and the war on drugs, right? "

Prohibition was a huge swing from the previous laws. Now we have lots of sensible regulations and requirements on the making, selling/buying and consuming of alcohol. Why can't we have the same for firearms capable of mowing down an office full of people?

And the war on drugs is also a complete prohibition on SOME drugs. There are still plenty of drugs that are well researched, overseen and legal to buy within the appropriate regulations. No one is calling for the complete ban of firearms, just laws that would help in keeping firearms from being able to flow through this country like tap water from law abiding citizens to their toddlers or criminals.

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" history, cost, availability, utility, and precision between wartime explosives and semi-automatic weapons is self-explanatory "

Its almost like restrictions on military hardware make it difficult/impossible for criminals to obtain. If only there was some way we could implement that onto other weapons.........

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" so we should implement restrictions on law abiding citizens, just because criminals can steal from them?"

I think if you hold enough firepower to wipeout an entire city, there should be a couple of hoops to jump through, and an understanding by someone else that you are capable of handling it without blowing your wife's head across the room.

Most gun owners are law abiding, and a lot of the guns in recent school shootings were obtained legally and available to the shooters without effort. So why is it that we have to have this complete loosey goosey mentality on gun ownership and only make it illegal when the absolute worst happens?

My neighbor owns guns, and if he's unfit to carry them I don't see why their can't be an intervention until AFTER he's blown my brains across my kitchen counter.

10/21/2015 4:36:16 PM

the enemies of the united states (who are growing in number and boldness by the day) are also rooting for gun control.

and lets just say guns were deemed illegal and marked for confiscation... we would literally have a civil war on our hands.

10/21/2015 5:12:52 PM

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"There are 300 million plus firearms already in the US, too late. "

this is shit logic and you are aware of that

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"No, the actual intention, of EVERYONE, is to minimize mass shootings. The issue is, at what cost do we do this? "

nope, incorrect

10/21/2015 5:20:22 PM

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"the enemies of the united states (who are growing in number and boldness by the day) are also rooting for gun control. "

this kind of ridiculous Fox News logic and understanding of the world is why everyone laughs at you and no one will ever take you seriously

10/21/2015 5:21:31 PM

I'm curious as to how many of the gun control nuts, willing to make exercising a constitutional right more difficult, are also in favor of voter ID laws, which also make exercising a constitutional right more difficult.

[Edited on October 21, 2015 at 5:24 PM. Reason : without mentioning a "voting doesn't murder people" strawman]

10/21/2015 5:24:07 PM

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"this is shit logic and you are aware of that"

How so? When weapons are already that available how will "feel good" laws from liberals actually do anything to prevent gun violence?

When it comes to new potential weapons like drones, those I expect to be strictly regulated and documented. That is feasible because there aren't/haven't been millions used and passed around already.

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"nope, incorrect"

How so?

10/21/2015 11:39:39 PM

For the gun lovers:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/22/europe/sweden-sword-attack/index.html

10/22/2015 7:57:40 AM

Or the gun haters, depending on how y'all wanna politicize it. And I know somebody died, but I was still smirking after the first sentence:

Quote :

"A masked man wielding a sword killed a teacher in an attack on a school in the Swedish town of Trollhattan on Thursday, authorities said."

10/22/2015 8:29:29 AM

it's like Manhattan, except for trolls instead of men

10/22/2015 8:38:32 AM

I wonder if Manhattan is a funny-sounding word in Sweden.

10/22/2015 11:30:39 AM

I'll be waiting for everyone to blame the sword for the attack

10/22/2015 11:35:29 AM

i blame the sword for not enabling the guy to murder 20 people instead of just 2

10/22/2015 11:53:21 AM

http://gawker.com/man-allegedly-pulls-gun-on-people-who-caught-him-mastur-1737775578

10/22/2015 11:55:03 AM