If you are a liberal it is okay to hate on Christians and Southerners, but those same people better not hate on anyone else or then they are bigoted, close minded, inbred, idiots.



[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 11:31 AM. Reason : pg 3 - Tebow wins, yet sucks as a BQ. It is amazing.]

11/21/2011 11:30:39 AM

^ Or if you're an idiot, which is almost the same thing.

What?

11/21/2011 11:32:04 AM

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"If you are a liberal it is okay to hate on Christians and Southerners, but those same people better not hate on anyone else or then they are bigoted, close minded, inbred, idiots."

It's okay to hate on stupid, no matter who exhibits it. Disagreeing with religious belief because it is non-rational is in fact superior to disagreeing with facts because you really really believe in God.

11/21/2011 11:37:02 AM

Lots of closed minds ITT.

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"Scientists don't believe in scientific facts because they want to, they believe in them because it's where the evidence leads."

Like man made global warming? If that isn't a religion requiring leaps of faith and who's followers who don't tolorate opposing viewpoints, I don't know what is.

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"Let's not forget that by appearing in the Focus on the Family ad, he was supporting bigoted views against the LGBT community, among other things."

So if he changed his name to Muhammad Tebow that'd be ok. B/c Muslims actually kill gays, outlaw any abortion, don't tolorate any other viewpoints, are polygimists, all in the name of their religion.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 11:53 AM. Reason : too funny.]

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 11:55 AM. Reason : ']

11/21/2011 11:47:57 AM

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"If you are a liberal it is okay to hate on Christians and Southerners,"

Why is this always a response by someone? It's a misrepresentation of the argument. Nobody said its okay to "hate" on christains becauseof their religion. We're talking about not liking a public sports figure becuase he chooses to to very publically promote his specific brand of religion. I think most of the people who don't like him becuase of his bible-thumpin' also wouldn't like him if he was using his status to very publically promote islam, scientology, or wiccan either.

^dude, you're the close-minded one if you think that Tim Tebow shouldn't be disliked becuase of his words and actions.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 11:51 AM. Reason : ]

11/21/2011 11:49:51 AM

^Why do you dislike people that think different than you do?

11/21/2011 11:54:52 AM

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"How many ball players make as big a deal of it as Tebow? And that's why some people don't like him. And I don't see that as being close-minded. "

But I don't remember all the hate towards Reggie

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM. Reason : .]

11/21/2011 11:55:23 AM

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"So if he changed his name to Muhammad Tebow that'd be ok. B/c Muslims actually kill gays, outlaw any abortion, don't tolorate any other viewpoints, are polygimists, all in the name of their religion."

How did you arrive at that conclusion. That wasn't the point and it wouldn't be okay. Holding back progress in the sake of a belief structure that isn't rooted in fact isn't okay.

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"^Why do you dislike people that think different than you do?"

I don't think he dislikes all people with a different viewpoint...It's dislike the viewpoint that holds humanity back. It is the viewpoint that wants to teach creationism in biology classes, defund embryonic stemcell research, outlaw gay marriage, take away a woman's right to choose. Make a group of people second class citizens or denying the chance to research to cure cancer is not okay, but it is being justified because a bronze age text says it is, that's the viewpoint that is currently being discussed. Not all viewpoints. You can't make the leap that if he doesn't like x then he doesn't like yz or anything else either.

Saying you don't like the belief structure doesn't make someone close minded any more than someone in the 60's saying, you know people saying schools should stay segregated are wrong and I don't like the viewpoint that schools should say separate.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ...]

11/21/2011 11:59:38 AM

this thread is overflowing with stupid

11/21/2011 12:16:25 PM

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"^Why do you dislike people that think different than you do?"

you seem to consistently miss points. i said multiple times it's fine if he has his beliefs that differ from mine. plenty of people do. it's the fact that tebow uses his status to very publically promote his brand of religion by wearing bible verses on his face, appearing in intolerant commercials, doing some silly prayer show-boating after touchdowns, using interviews to constantly preach his beliefs. Why is he one of the only athletes that does that to the capacity that he does? Plenty of athletes are religious, but very few act like Tebow does. THAT's what I don't like, not the fact that he thinks differently than i do. Get it?

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"But I don't remember all the hate towards Reggie"

Well there you go. He was openly religious, yet he wasn't persecuted (as some of you seem to think Tebow is). Maybe it's becuase Tebow is a douche about it?

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM. Reason : ]

11/21/2011 12:28:20 PM

^,^^^ I thought this Tebow guy played football... didn't realize he was a religious figure-head

11/21/2011 1:26:14 PM

nobody said he was a "figure-head". I believe what is being discussed is how he uses his status as a football player to promote his brand of religion in a somehwhat over-the-top manner, and how he is one of the few athletes to do that, and why some people don't like him because of that.

11/21/2011 1:30:59 PM

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"So if he changed his name to Muhammad Tebow that'd be ok. B/c Muslims actually kill gays, outlaw any abortion, don't tolorate any other viewpoints, are polygimists, all in the name of their religion."

it was a tossup between that and a picture of the jump to conclusions mat. I don't even know where you got that from.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

11/21/2011 2:19:44 PM

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"I believe what is being discussed is how he uses his status as a football player to promote his brand of religion in a somehwhat over-the-top manner, and how he is one of the few athletes to do that, and why some people don't like him because of that."

I find the opposite to be true of him. While, yes, he wears his beliefs on his sleeve, he isn't pushy about it and doesn't expect everyone to do what he does. Any attention his goodwill efforts cause is brought on by any media that may be following up on him. Not by himself.

What does it matter anyway? He isn't pushing religion. He is pushing charity. Something the world needs more of from all religions. And he is one of the most genuine people doing it. Let a playa play.

11/21/2011 2:35:43 PM

^^Players change their name all the time to muhammad and no one hates the guy for promoting his religion. Ali is a national treasure for Allah's sake. And yet everytime you say his name you are promoting the prophet Mohammad. Yet the treatment of anyone non-Muslim (gays, christians, Jews, whatever) in Muslim countries is appaling. Where is the outrage and hatred for Muslim athletes?

Lots of hypocrites ITT.

11/21/2011 2:56:22 PM

Dude, your close-mindedness and inability to understand the argument is making it hard to even follow your "argument".

What does the treatment of gays in muslim countries have to do with Tebow being a douche? Why should people hate muslim athletes becuase of what muslim countries do, and what does that have to do with Tebow being a douche? I think it's very apparent in all my posts above, but i'll say it since you don't seem to be following: If it was a muslim athlete using his status to promote his brand of religion the same way tebow does/did, then i'd think he was douche as well. Same with a scientologist athlete. Same with am atheist athlete. It's not so much about the religion, it's about painting bible verses on your faces, it's about making commercials, it's about praying after every touchdown, it's about talking about it in every interview (haven't i made this clear yet?)

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 3:21 PM. Reason : ]

11/21/2011 3:10:23 PM

11/21/2011 3:29:55 PM

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"What does the treatment of gays in muslim countries have to do with Tebow being a douche?"

Re-read the thread. The arguement started with Tebow kneels after TDs. Then when it was pointed out that lots of athletes do it the argument moved on to his abortion commercial and gay marriage. Not sure when Tebow discussed gay marriage. I must have missed that TD celebration.

The point is, lots of athletes display religious symbols. Muslims converts change their name. What would be more in your face that making you say their prophet's name when you mention them? But there is no hatred for muslim athletes.

I just don't understand your hate. I guess I never will.

11/21/2011 3:33:53 PM

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"The point is, lots of athletes display religious symbols."

No, the point is Tebow goes above and beyond almost all other athletes. And I don't hate the guy, I don't even know him. I just think he's a douche for going over the top with his religous displays. Can you name one athlete in the modern day that goes out of his way more than Tebow to show that he is religous? (and i don't even think your Ali comparison is a good one)

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"But there is no hatred for muslim athletes."

are you dense? changing your name is not the same as painting your face, making commercials, talking about it any interview, etc. etc. If there was a muslim athlete who did this, i would think he was a douche as well. But i don't know of one. Do you?

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM. Reason : alright, sorry everyone, i won't respond beyond this]

11/21/2011 3:37:51 PM

If you were a more tolerant person, it wouldn't offend you.

11/21/2011 3:42:32 PM

and if you were more tolerant, you wouldn't care if people didn't like him becuase he constantly flaunts his brand of religion. but i realize lots of folks take any slight on anything or anybody who's religious as a personal attack against themselves.

and i see you can't name anybody else.

11/21/2011 4:15:10 PM

Tebow discussed gay marriage when he made a commercial for Focus on the Family. TD celebrations and pressers aren't the only thing he does, you know.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/21/2011 4:22:02 PM

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"If you were a more tolerant person, it wouldn't offend you."

Religion is a choice. There's no built-in reason to be automatically tolerant of it. Christianity, being generally non-rational and counter to women's and homosexuals' rights does not deserve tolerance. Any decent person should be offended by it.

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM. Reason : nah, it's shitty to women and homosexuals everywhere.]

11/21/2011 4:24:21 PM

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"are you dense? changing your name is not the same as painting your face, making commercials, talking about it any interview, etc. etc. If there was a muslim athlete who did this, i would think he was a douche as well. But i don't know of one. Do you? "

You're clueless about Cassius Clay if all you think he did was change his name.

Dude showed up on national television with Louis fucking Farrakhan. Just because it was 45 years ago and you're not aware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.


And for the record, his mamma call him Clay, imma call him Clay.

11/21/2011 4:26:19 PM

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"You're clueless about Cassius Clay if all you think he did was change his name."

That's true. Like you mentioned, it was 45 years ago. And i always thought his show-boating was pretty deuchey (see? that' me saying that a muslim athlete is a deuche). Now, can you name anybody in modern sports who fluants their religion as much and as in many ways as Tebow?

11/21/2011 4:33:35 PM

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"I think it's a lot more close-minded to think that people shouldn't be able to openly disagree or dislike someone becuase of their personal beleifs that they take every oppurtunity to make a public display of it?"

except, he's not really doing that. he doesn't take every possible opportunity to make a display of it. he does his thing, and there just happen to be hundreds of cameras pointed at him. cry me a river.

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"No, he was saying that there is clearly an inverse relationship between intelligence and religiosity."

so, one belief system is better than another. same thing.

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"I believe what is being discussed is how he uses his status as a football player to promote his brand of religion in a somehwhat over-the-top manner"

you've said this a bajillion times. what, specifically, is over the top that he does that many other players don't also already do? He put a Bible verse on his eyeblack? Oh the HORROR!!!

11/21/2011 5:00:46 PM

Jesus fuckin Christ

11/21/2011 5:03:44 PM

Calling science a belief system comparable to religion is disingenuous, wrong, and stupid. I'd love to stop responding in Sports Talk but I can't let you get away with this. Science follows evidence. Religion follows nothing but wishful thinking. Belief in science is justifiable while belief in religion is not.

Science is not a religion. I'm sorry your religion is stupid and doesn't make sense. You're not going to make it any better by trying to make science look bad.

11/21/2011 5:04:45 PM

take this shit to the soapbox

predictions for Broncos vs. SD

200 yds passing
50 yds rushing
2 passing TDs
no rushing TDs (from tebow that is)

11/21/2011 6:05:46 PM

CAN'T BE BIGOTED AGAINST THOSE WHO PROMOTE BIGOTRY

HERP DERP

11/21/2011 7:05:22 PM

this thread needs locking, or get it moved into soapbox

11/21/2011 7:13:50 PM

http://deadspin.com/5861519/jake-plummer-to-tim-tebow-we-get-it-dude-you-love-jesus

This. This is how we all really feel about Tebow and Jesus. Thank you Jake.

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"I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ then I think I'll like him a little better. I don't hate him because of that, I just would rather not have to hear that every single time he takes a good snap or makes a good handoff…"

11/21/2011 9:34:18 PM

i suddenly forgot how to spell "douche" in my post before last. my bad.

i hope tebow has a long and productive career, no hate.

11/21/2011 10:02:16 PM

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"Calling science a belief system comparable to religion is disingenuous, wrong, and stupid."

Right. because your God is better than my God. that's what it always comes down to. your God is better than my God. you're just too stupid and hate-filled to see that.

11/22/2011 8:58:30 AM

SPORTS TALK

i'd like to keep this thread open. we need more non- official 2011 ________ threads. don't make me lock it

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 9:09 AM. Reason : or suspend anybody]

11/22/2011 9:08:06 AM

u mad?

11/22/2011 9:21:51 AM

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM. Reason : SPORTS TALK]

11/22/2011 9:32:07 AM

^^^^wow

so i understand that debating religion doesn't belong here. but is discussing how tebow uses his status as a professional football player to promote his brand of religion, and how he's the only professional athlete that i'm aware of it to do it in such a capacity, is that discussion allowed in ST? I'm seriously curious, I don't want to get suspended, but it does seem sports related to me.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 9:34 AM. Reason : ]

11/22/2011 9:34:36 AM

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM. Reason : SPORTS TALK]

11/22/2011 9:43:47 AM

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM. Reason : SPORTS TALK]

11/22/2011 9:47:15 AM

these are relevant to a discussion of Tim Tebow

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"His team might be winning right now, but Tebow still sucks giant monkey balls as a QB and we all know it, even though some seem to have trouble admitting it"

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"I don't dislike Tebow because of the football player he is. I dislike him as a person and what he stands for, all that bible thumping, rah-rah jesus bullshit is annoying, unneeded, shows a lack of critical thought and is offensive"

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"More of a product of ESPN than Tebow himself. I too, disliked Tebow in college, but it was mostly because of the way ESPN and the media portrayed him... He really doesn't go out of his way to "bible thump", he just goes about his business and the networks focus in on it..."

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"this is why it's so offputting: tim tebow is an incredibly lucky person, but he believes, and will not hesitate to tell the world, that god himself chose to bless him specifically."

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"Can we at least get some highlight vids or gifs of Tebow bulldozing defenders with the power of Christ?"

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"i actually love Tebow as a person and has a lot of character and a real competitive spirit... he's a natural born leader... but he's a pretty terrible QB when it comes to passing... i mean terrible."

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"Can we get back on topic? TEBOW SUCKS AS A QB."

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"and yet, with the poor stats, the only one that matters is that since Tebow became the starter, they are 4-1."

these are not (note this is not an all-encompassing selection of quotes)

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"well, glad to see that you're a bigoted, intolerant moron"

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"something like 84% of the world's population believe in a religion, with the majority being christianity and in second place is islam. Are you saying that all of them are complete idiots with no critical thinking skills?"

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"So, since Hitler was a Christian, and Hitler was bad, then Christianity is bad? Religion is then bad?"

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"so much stupid. so little time."

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"If the evidence led to the notion of an all-powerful, all-loving creator that looks out for us then that would be the science. It didn't. It's time to grow up."

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"If you are a liberal it is okay to hate on Christians and Southerners, but those same people better not hate on anyone else or then they are bigoted, close minded, inbred, idiots"

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"It's okay to hate on stupid, no matter who exhibits it. Disagreeing with religious belief because it is non-rational is in fact superior to disagreeing with facts because you really really believe in God."

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"If you were a more tolerant person, it wouldn't offend you."

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"Religion is a choice. There's no built-in reason to be automatically tolerant of it. Christianity, being generally non-rational and counter to women's and homosexuals' rights does not deserve tolerance. Any decent person should be offended by it."

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"Right. because your God is better than my God. that's what it always comes down to. your God is better than my God. you're just too stupid and hate-filled to see that."

11/22/2011 9:49:21 AM

^cool, we're in agreeance

11/22/2011 9:51:08 AM

so, lemme get this straight, fred. someone saying they don't like tebow because he's a Bible thumper is relevant, but someone responding to someone saying they don't like tebow because he's a Bible thumper is not relevant? o_O

i'm not tryna question the almighty qfred, but that does seem a bit arbitrary...

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 9:55 AM. Reason : ]

11/22/2011 9:53:42 AM

you're missing it man.

talking about tebow is relevant. debating religion and the validity of christianity isn't.

11/22/2011 9:56:03 AM

^^ one of those statements is about Tim Tebow. The other statement is about somebody else.

11/22/2011 9:56:40 AM

so then, lemme get this straight. someone can come in and say Tebow is an idiot for being a Christian. and no one else can then come in and say "being a Christian doesn't make you an idiot". just kind of allows for people to say provocative shit with no response allowed. unless I'm missing something...

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 9:59 AM. Reason : sorry for further derailing >.<]

11/22/2011 9:58:52 AM

i'm pretty sure he's saying that calling tebow an idiot for being a christian is NOT allowed.

debating how he's one of the few athletes to use his status as an athlete to overtly promote a religion, and how he does that, is.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 10:09 AM. Reason : putting words in fred's mouth]

11/22/2011 10:05:29 AM

"SPORTS" TALK

<-----chit-chat is that way

Soap box is that way------>

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 10:12 AM. Reason : Trolling is not allowed anywhere just logout!]

11/22/2011 10:11:36 AM

ok, then, let's move back on topic. HOW is Tebow using his status as an athlete to unnecessarily promote Christianity in a way different than other athletes who promote things using their status? Because he writes crap on his eyeblack while no one else has any other tattoos or the like? Because he was in 1 commercial while LT was in a bajillion soup commercials? Because people ask him about it and he responds to the question? Because he prays after a touchdown while others... pray after touchdowns? There's literally no leg to stand on here! It all, ultimately, comes down to "I don't like Tebow because he's a Christian."

11/22/2011 10:13:26 AM

yeah well that's fine. you might think that's a dumb reason, but this thread isn't for talking about how dumb everybody thinks everybody else is. nor is anybody going to convince anybody else to either like or not like christians ITT. if anybody wants to have those conversations, feel free to PM each other

11/22/2011 10:24:09 AM