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qntmfred
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sometime over the last year or two I came across this 0EPII1 post

Quote :
"Read this section of Qaddafi's "The Green Book":

http://www.mathaba.net/gci/theory/gb1.htm#society

Info on his book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Book"


found it interesting as I was not familiar at the time. ended up watching this



it really is very interesting. there's not been much innovation in "national governing philosophy" over the last century so credit to Gaddafi for articulating/implementing his own vision (aside from the human rights violations)

what with all the talk about deposed dictators lately I was thinking about Gaddafi earlier and then saw this on my YT. google is eavesdropping on my thoughts



[Edited on January 10, 2026 at 9:38 PM. Reason : also libya fwiw]

didn't realize this was gonna be a p3 post so allow me to also quote from p2

Quote :
"While I am happy that dictators are being thrown out of their chairs across the Arab world, at the same time, it doesn't mean that those who helped to topple, the rest of the citizens, and the security forces will settle into a happy democracy where people are respected, freedoms are guaranteed, and women and children are not oppressed anymore.

There can be no real democracy or freedom of speech/action in any Arab or Muslim-dominant country. That's just impossible.

Not many people here in this thread, or in the US, know the Arab/Muslim psyche or mind-set. Arabs/Muslims have been conditioned to be extremely reactionary from birth by parents, schools, and society. Just to give an example, in many parts of the Muslim world, if for example, I am having a fight with someone on the streets, or come across an enemy, I can easily accuse him publicly of insulting the Prophet or the Quran, and most likely, the person will be severely beaten up, if not lynched by a mob... forget about due process or ascertaining whether my enemy even said anything I am accusing him of. That's how many Arabs are, including the ones bringing 'democracy' to some Arab countries these days. Add to that the tribal and sect-ioned nature of most of the those countries, and you get a recipe for non-stop fighting and violence. Labeling other [Muslim] groups as 'infidels' and calling for their arrest/death is common.

Since the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, I have read so many articles about people voicing their frustrations over being shown the same lack of respect and decency by police, security forces, etc., of reporters and journalists being told what they can write and what they can't, and of women still being repressed.

There is no culture of respect in Arab countries, to put it bluntly. Racism and discrimination of all types is common place and practiced widely by governments, companies, families, everybody. Fear is instilled in people from birth; fear of the father, fear of the tribal leader, fear of Allah, fear of teachers, fear of the police, fear of the ruler/ruling family/government, etc. Beatings are common, by everybody I just mentioned. I describe it as a "culture of death and destruction", after having lived among Arabs/Muslims for most of my life.

I wish all these countries the best, but I really can't see any appreciable democracy [freedom of speech/action, no secret police, respect and equality] in Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya in the near [or far] future. Or for that matter in Yemen, Syria, Jordan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, and Oman, whenever their leaders/dictators/kings are deposed.

Here you go, an example of what I mean, found on the sideline on the page above ^

http://news.yahoo.com/jordan-woman-killed-hospital-over-pregnancy-004531381.html

It is all about honor, leaders, figures, and red lines that cannon be crossed, in Arab and Muslim countries. Not about equality, respect for the common person, respect for the law, or freedom."


[Edited on January 10, 2026 at 9:42 PM. Reason : i recognize that point of view now]

1/10/2026 9:34:08 PM

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