Yea, actually talked with my co-worker who's wife is from there, ohh and his buddy is with the IDF naval special forces.

6/1/2010 4:43:14 PM

Oh cool you talked with people awesome

Well onward to war then, let's hope this one GETS BLOODY

(you are a worthless piece of shit; here's to hoping your media bubble pops soon)

6/1/2010 4:44:50 PM

Blood is the only way the situation will change. They've had ample opportunity to fix this peacefully.

6/1/2010 4:46:20 PM

Blood isn't the only way, but Israel's government is literally insane at this point. It seems like it's going to have to lose something in order to restore its sanity, which is extremely unfortunate for everybody involved.

6/1/2010 4:47:30 PM

They have to lose American support. As soon as that happens Israel is as good as labeled a terrorist country, and the muslim world will destroy them while the rest of the world boycotts them. World opinion is shifting decidedly against them, so the time is fast approaching.

6/1/2010 4:55:22 PM

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"As soon as that happens Israel is as good as labeled a terrorist country, and the muslim world will destroy them while the rest of the world boycotts them."

This would be a terrible outcome and I have no idea why anybody would hope for it.

6/1/2010 4:57:20 PM

My hopes and opinions are irrelevant. Only Israel can prevent that outcome at this point. Perhaps by military coup or massive internal demonstrations, both unlikely.

6/1/2010 4:59:00 PM

lol. everytime someone brings up removing US support they think the rest of the middle east will somehow destroy israel. If theres any chance israel itself comes under enough of a threat that they cant fight it off (which is 0, btw) then they'll just nuke everyone they can and go out in a massive fireball.

6/1/2010 5:00:17 PM

None of that is going to happen. You're nuts if you think the US would allow Israel to be destroyed.

The funny thing about this whole situation is, with all of the attention on the Palestinians, nobody's paying attention to Israel's Arab population (not in the occupied territories, but Israel-proper). It won't be long before Jews are outnumbered, based on the respective birth rates.

6/1/2010 5:01:13 PM

lol - smc throws so much shit against the wall hoping something, anything sticks

6/1/2010 5:02:06 PM

There are demonstrations going on in Tel Aviv but none are getting media coverage so far as I can tell.

(Pro-Gaza demonstrations; not the anti-Turkish ones, which have received plenty.)

[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 5:05 PM. Reason : .]

6/1/2010 5:04:21 PM

media coverage inside israel or international?

6/1/2010 5:04:54 PM

Both, so far as I can tell.

6/1/2010 5:06:45 PM

disband all religion

6/1/2010 5:10:08 PM

Religion isn't the issue here, bub. Many Zionists are secular.

6/1/2010 5:10:52 PM

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"There are demonstrations going on in Tel Aviv but none are getting media coverage so far as I can tell."

at the very minimum CNN has photos of protests going on inside of Israel (both against the action taken by Israel and against the Turkish gov't)

6/1/2010 5:15:43 PM

Religion is why the US supports israel. Religion is why you can convince people to blow themselves up. Religion is why israel exists.

If israel weren't portrayed as a bunch of holocausted jews surrounded by evil islamofacists the US public would have no problem declaring israel as the bad guys.

If there was no islam, do you think al queda would have as much support? Would these countries be able to control their populace without saying "hrm, well, u cant do that thing because this book says so"?

I mean god damn. This is all about religion. The core issue is the same as its always been (israel wants that sweet sweet real estate), but the arguments that allow them to get away with everything they do are all based in religion. Every single major problem that exists anywhere on this gay earth has to do with religion. Without it there'd be no excuse for us not to sit down and hash this shit out.

[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 5:19 PM. Reason : h]

6/1/2010 5:18:21 PM

wanna sit around and smoke some weed and all get along? nope, cant do that cause religion.

6/1/2010 5:20:10 PM

wanna use a condom to prevent the spread of aids in africa? nope cant do that cause of religion.

6/1/2010 5:20:32 PM

wanna allow everyone equal protection under the law? nope cant do that cause religion

6/1/2010 5:21:23 PM

wanna get a chicken sandwich on sunday? nope cant do that cause religion.

6/1/2010 5:21:56 PM

Wanna stop financial and military aid to a country thats been killing civilians and doing other nasty shit since its existed?

Nope cant do that cause motherfucking religion

[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 5:23 PM. Reason : a]

6/1/2010 5:22:49 PM

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"wanna sit around and smoke some weed and all get along? nope, cant do that cause religion."

Pretty sure Muslims and Jews smoke hash.

6/1/2010 5:24:10 PM

i was talking about us right there. Point being all sorts of ridiculous bullshit continues because religion has declared it ok. Religion has outlived its usefulness to the world and should be swept away so the people can see what the fuck is actually going on.

6/1/2010 5:27:56 PM

they're not supposed to, at least I know Muslims aren't supposed to smoke anything or drink alcohol

[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 5:29 PM. Reason : ^^]

6/1/2010 5:28:36 PM

This isn't even a religion thread dude, give it a fucking break. This conflict is over land and racism.

6/1/2010 5:28:59 PM

Its the first step in clearing up people's heads so we can proceed without a bunch of nonsense. Right now the US argument is:

Jews > muslims
israel = jews
palestine = muslims
therefore israel > palestine

This is enough to overpower
civilian aid > civilian murder

6/1/2010 5:31:04 PM

The US largely ignores the Christian population among Arabs.

6/1/2010 5:31:40 PM

I bet if you were able to point to christians in gaza getting killed by israel you'd be able to change alot of minds in the US.

[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 5:35 PM. Reason : s]

6/1/2010 5:35:33 PM

Something like 40,000 Christian pilgrims were barred from leaving the West Bank to visit Nazareth recently (during Easter, I think? Something like that.). Pretty sure the news story ran, but I doubt most slobbering idiots in this country know how to put ARAB and CHRISTIAN together in their heads without having a total meltdown.

6/1/2010 5:37:50 PM

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"I don't give a damn how many trained chimps the IDF lost"

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"What a bunch of immature pricks. Does the fact that real human beings are involved in this escape you?"

6/1/2010 6:13:38 PM

^^you cant teach about arabs in school because that goes against jesus

[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 6:14 PM. Reason : t]

6/1/2010 6:13:55 PM

Is the problem today is religion?

No, the problem is that Israel broke the international law by keeping the blockade to what can be considered as part of Israel, and by attacking civilian ships f other countries in international water, and killing at least ten civilians of European, Turkish, and Arab nationalities.

Is anything will happen to Israel?

It is challenging this time because many of the countries who support Israel are attacked by Israel (remember this is the point of having those people in board first place), but to be realistic nothing will happen because US will save them once more of being attacked by international justice (as if this international justice was placed by another people)!

Should US do this?

US can do whatever it wants, but to leave Israel above the international law with all of the toys in hand is dangerous. Beside if US keeps talking about working with other nations on regional and internatinal situations then I don't know if anyone will take you seriously with US doing this!

Israel does whatever it wants, and US will pay the bill doubled!

6/1/2010 6:15:05 PM

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"I don't give a damn how many trained chimps the IDF lost What a bunch of immature pricks. Does the fact that real human beings are involved in this escape you?"

Aggressors get clubbed in the fucking head as they try to prevent destitute people from getting basic supplies. Hold on a second while I fish some tissues out and shed a tear.

6/1/2010 6:55:41 PM

I'd much prefer there be no casualties whatsoever. But if there ARE casualties, let it be soldiers and not civilians.

6/1/2010 6:57:43 PM

I don't think anyone is crying about the soldiers. That is their job.

I think the point is, that these "peaceful protestors" should expect some sort of forceful response when they start chucking soldiers overboard, lol.

6/1/2010 6:57:47 PM

They're not peaceful protesters, obviously. They are justifiably violent; those soldiers should have stayed out of the fucking way. Instead, they wanted to be racist pricks and got clubbed in the fucking dome.

6/1/2010 6:58:33 PM

so basically you're expressing shock and disbelief that in an armed conflict, one side didn't just roll over and play dead?

this thread is full of liberal lolz.

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"Israel does whatever it wants, and US will pay the bill doubled!"

what the fuck is that supposed to mean. you fucking terrorist sympathizers and your subtle threats can go fuck yourselves

[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 7:01 PM. Reason : s]

6/1/2010 6:59:29 PM

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"humanitarian cargo aboard the ships was unloaded and taken into the blockaded Palestinian territory"

There were 6 ships. 5 of them did it the right way, and the aid got in (even faster than one would expect). One group of fucktards decided to be stupid and got their shipmates shot.

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" I know none of you fucking morons even know anybody living over there, but if you did, I doubt you'd be egging on either side."

I have spent a significant amount of time in Israel and I currently have 50+ friends and family members in Israel right now.

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"Religion is why the US supports israel."

Democracy is why the US supports Israel.

And by the way:

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"IHH (Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation) had organized the Flotilla, and supports the terrorist organization Hamas, several Jihadist organizations in Bosina, Syria, Iraq, Libya, and elsewhere, and has ties with Al Qaeda."

When weapons smuggling is as big of a problem as it is there, there's no way you can expect Israel to let any ship in without inspection. Even I disagree with the methods surrounding the blockade, but Israel had every right to board that ship and not get beaten and thrown overboard. If they hadn't opened fire, all the soldiers who boarded the ship would probably be dead.

This whole situation is very unfortunate, but Israel did exactly what any other nation would have done.

6/1/2010 7:01:09 PM

6/1/2010 7:12:39 PM

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"I have spent a significant amount of time in Israel and I currently have 50+ friends and family members in Israel right now."

Cool and you made a late entrance to the thread. None of these other people have any personal relations, and are hoping for as much bloodshed as possible (so long as it's Arab).

The best situation here would be if Israel dropped the stupid fucking blockade and stopped the racist oppression of Gaza. Here's to hoping your family members don't live near the borders, though.

6/1/2010 7:16:12 PM

^ LOL

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"Democracy is why the US supports Israel."

Since we are some democratic and freedom loving here. Someone mentions the word terrorist and we gift-wrap all our liberties up and hand them to the government in hopes they will protect us from the scary towel heads.

6/1/2010 7:17:45 PM

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"This whole situation is very unfortunate, but Israel did exactly what any other nation would have done."

We've seen how other aggressive, imperialist nations react and I guess Israel is on par.

6/1/2010 7:21:23 PM

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"I have spent a significant amount of time in Israel and I currently have 50+ friends and family members in Israel right now"

Another thing: I doubt you're really encouraging violence on either side, right?

6/1/2010 7:32:32 PM

As opposed to McDanger who is advocating violence against the "racist" Israelis. But, you know, only because they're "racist" not because they're jews or anything.

But yea, if you happen to kill a few jews then that's not so bad, right?

Is that a pretty good summary of your position McDanger?

6/1/2010 8:01:43 PM

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"As opposed to McDanger who is advocating violence against the "racist" Israelis. But, you know, only because they're "racist" not because they're jews or anything."

I'm not advocating violence against the IDF soldiers because they're Jews, I was advocating violence against them because they wouldn't get out of the fucking way of the aid boat. The people in Gaza need help, for fuck's sake; there's an insane amount of suffering going on there, and to be honest, those that stand in the way of alleviating that suffering should be shoved out of the way if necessary.

I like how you try to paint me as an anti-Semite. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about so you should probably quit while you're behind.

6/1/2010 8:05:42 PM

Solinari is blocked by my TWW greasemonkey script. You should use it too.

6/1/2010 8:16:31 PM

How to do this smc? because I think this discussion going to be improper with such thing left to walk around by the admins!

Again, if US keeps talking about working with other nations on regional and international situations then I don't know if anyone will take US seriously with it doing this!

US will take all the heat for Israeli action because of its unconditional support
No government would like to work with US on the region and else where as it matter


[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 8:24 PM. Reason : ]

6/1/2010 8:19:54 PM

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"I don't give a damn how many trained chimps the IDF lost."

none, actually

6/1/2010 8:28:10 PM

It's not like I was hoping for them to die. It'd be best if nobody died, and if nobody suffered in this situation, but the people of Gaza have the short end of the shit-stick here and it has to stop.

I like how we support Israel "because of Democracy" lol. Wait and see how "democratic" it is when Arabs threaten to form the majority of the voting base.

Also Solinari, call me an anti-Semite again that was cute, funny, and just about as fucking retarded as something I'd expect you to say

[Edited on June 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM. Reason : .]

6/1/2010 8:34:42 PM