page 3 says "no fatties"
10/19/2009 2:07:51 PM
^2
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10/19/2009 3:23:36 PM
^^ You'll pardon me if I doubt your supposed curiosity. Are you saying that the state be allowed to exempt itself from portions of, say, the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Family Medical Leave Act, and the latest version of the Civil Rights Act? Maybe the state will eventually trample on an act that means something to you. It would appear to me that a state is either in or out of federal acts--based on the correct application of the Tenth Amendment--not in piecemeal compliance. This is simply unfair to the people as citizens and as employees. It would seem to me that the state is attempting to create a new special class--but this time it's not for protection, it's for discrimination.^ 1. Define "obese."2. It appears that an affected employee will not have to be "obese," but merely overweight, according to BMI.3. Who decides what is the "correct" BMI? [Edited on October 19, 2009 at 3:37 PM. Reason : .]
10/19/2009 3:35:21 PM
Obese is having excessive body fat. I can pretty much tell by looking someone if they're obese. There's the grey area, which is overweight. So, the real question is, how much body fat is too much? I would say that anything over 30% body fat counts as excessive body fat, but I'm sure there are varying opinions on it.
10/19/2009 3:49:09 PM
^ I'm really not trying to give you shit, but your post is pretty much nonsense. You base everything on what you "think" rather than what is actually happening.A few examples:
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10/20/2009 8:13:57 AM
Lawyers haven't "toned down" similar measures in private health plans, so I don't know why this would be different. They've been providing discounts like this for a while now, as an incentive to become more healthy.If the privacy issue comes up, the person can simply waive the obesity/tobacco check, and be defaulted to the normal plan. There's no forced invasion of privacy.
10/20/2009 8:26:20 AM
State Health Plan to employees: We can discriminate
10/20/2009 3:27:51 PM
so how does it define "smoker?" people who regularly smoke cigarettes? occasional cigar smokers? marijuana smokers? smokeless tobacco users? 2nd hand smoke victims? people who smoke a cigarette once a week?and how will they prove it?
10/20/2009 5:28:49 PM
Usually, with the plans I'm familiar with at least, they'll ask if you have used any tobacco products in the past year. The "default" position is "Non tobacco-free certified." Participants are required to answer truthfully, knowing that if it's somehow found out that they lied, they could risk termination or removal of benefits.
10/20/2009 5:34:14 PM
i see.
10/20/2009 5:36:57 PM