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"3. The agency must mark the area to inform the public."

How would I inform myself of such checkpoints and who is responsible when there are multiple agencies involved (SHP + _____ County Sheriff.)

12/15/2008 11:41:13 PM

I remember the Brent Road crackdown road block on Avent Ferry.

That was some BS.

I was 18, driving a Jeep Wrangler with a huge cooler in the back seat (very visible), had been drinking downtown at Reggae Fest or w/e, and got waved through. Granted I was not even buzzed but we all know that don't matter when you are under 21.

I was like .

12/15/2008 11:52:05 PM

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"honestly, i would be more concerned with keeping unisured, unlicensed mexicans off the road than slightly inebriated insured people"

12/16/2008 1:51:58 AM

^^^There is usually a host agency. And informing the public can be as easy as placing a sign saying "DWI Checkpoint Ahead"

12/16/2008 6:32:04 AM

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"Restaurant group pans DWI checkpoints Posted: Today at 4:50 p.m. The state Highway Patrol has stepped up its patrols and plans numerous checkpoints during the holiday season to crack down on speeding and drunken driving, but a restaurant industry group questions the effectiveness of the checkpoints. The American Beverage Institute maintains roving patrols that look for erratic drivers are better than DWI checkpoints at catching repeat offenders. "They are not an actual safety measure," Sarah Longwell, managing director of the group, said of checkpoints. "They are not actually getting dangerous people off the roads. They are just inconveniencing responsible adults." A major problem with the checkpoints, she said, is that they are highly visible and are publicized in advance, allowing hard-core drinkers to evade them. Capt. Everett Clendenin of the Highway Patrol said Booze It & Lose It checkpoints in North Carolina have been very effective at catching drunken drivers and criminals. In a campaign that ran during the second half of August and through Labor Day weekend, for example, 2,821 drivers were ticketed for DWI and 8,579 charges for criminal offenses were issued. Through the first two weeks of the holiday campaign, troopers have issued 1,705 DWI citations and 5,010 criminal charges. "We set these up at locations that have demonstrated a history in the past of being effective by removing numerous impaired drivers off the highway," Clendenin said. In pushing for the Highway Patrol and other law enforcement agencies to abandon the checkpoints, the American Beverage Institute took aim at Mothers Against Drunk Driving "The mantra changed from 'don't drive drunk' to 'don't drink and drive,' and in that, they were targeting people who do drink moderately and responsibly," Longwell said of MADD. "Those are not the people who are out on the highways causing injuries and fatalities." Craig Lloyd, MADD's executive director in North Carolina, said data shows people remember when they've seen a checkpoint for seven to eight years, which forces people to think about how they'll get home safely. "We are very surprised to hear that (anti-checkpoint argument) because checkpoints are actually one of our most effective tools," Lloyd said. "It is very highly effective at deterring people that know that the checkpoints (are there)." "

12/22/2008 6:51:58 PM

One thing about being stationed in such a small town.

There are only 2 main bars that all the people from the base and the college go to.
The base has funded a shuttle that stops at many places on base, the 2 bars, and all the hotels. As well as anywhere you ask that is no more than 1 block off the standard route. Free for everyone from 6pm to 4am (And is open to all non-military as well)
The base also has a volunteer Airman Against Drunk Driving program that runs until 3 am Fri, Sat and Sun nights, as well as the nights preceding the federal holidays.
Not to mention that a taxi to the base or anywhere else in town is less than $10.

The cops even park outside the larger club around 1:30, so when it closes at 1:45 everyone has to walk past them to go to their cars. Not so they can just randomly arrest people, but more as a reminder that to anyone considering driving home. (And to keep the peace... Drunk military tend to get agitated quickly)

With all this in place, there are still 5 - 10 DUIs on the busy weekends. And the base has at least one a month.
You can never seem to do enough. People are still going to try and drive drunk.
We have had to repair our perimeter wall at least 10 times in the last 6 months from drunks crashing into it.

12/24/2008 7:46:27 PM

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"Drunk military tend to get agitated quickly"

I think thats an understatement.

12/24/2008 8:54:16 PM

Maybe a slight understatement...

It really doesn't take alcohol to make us fight... it just helps make it happen alot quicker...

12/24/2008 9:20:11 PM

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"what a waste of tax money"

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"you think those officers had anything better to do???"

yes, they can update their resume to look for a better job.

12/25/2008 12:21:45 PM

my bud and I were thinking of ways to make a checkpoint ineffective. SO imagine you get to the stopping point, roll your window down and pretend to be mute and do sign language, but hand him the DL and insurance. What would the cop do? There would be so little PC if any at all becuse you did not slur, and hopefuly didnt run over the cones or hit a parked cop car. Maybe even carry a sign language card or something. Just a dumb thought for debate / speculation.

12/25/2008 2:17:29 PM

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[Edited on December 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM. Reason : whammy double post]

12/25/2008 2:17:29 PM

^^how much egg nog have you had today

12/25/2008 2:33:04 PM

sadly... none! we decided that if you pull it off, you win, if you dont... you end up in the "worlds dumbest Crooks part 9" tv special

12/25/2008 5:01:30 PM

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"sadly... none! we decided that if you pull it off, you win, if you dont... you end up in the "worlds dumbest Crooks part 9" tv special"

I LOL'D

12/26/2008 5:17:40 PM

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"It really doesn't take alcohol to make us fight."

no hate. i'd probably be pissed off and ready to fight also every time i went out if i spend 4 months at a time lofting with another private billy, getting yelled out for a wrinkle in my uniform by the sarge, and the only women around are butch or dressed in a burka while in iraq.

12/26/2008 7:28:36 PM

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"my bud and I were thinking of ways to make a checkpoint ineffective. SO imagine you get to the stopping point, roll your window down and pretend to be mute and do sign language, but hand him the DL and insurance. What would the cop do? There would be so little PC if any at all becuse you did not slur, and hopefuly didnt run over the cones or hit a parked cop car. Maybe even carry a sign language card or something. Just a dumb thought for debate / speculation."

Why go through the trouble? You are not legally obligated to say a word to any cop...ever.

Hand him the license, registration and/or proof of insurance. It pisses them off to receive nothing but silence in response to questions like where you are going, whether you drank, etc. And with the wrong cop, it might give you a few more minutes of hassle because they have not been properly trained in dealing with citizens acting within their rights this way.

It's simple: if you're going to slur your speech, don't speak.

[Edited on December 26, 2008 at 8:35 PM. Reason : a]

12/26/2008 8:35:21 PM

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"check points are constitutional. no one said driving was a right, its a privilege. so driving through a check point and being asked to show a valid license is not a violation. if you dont like it dont drive"

/idiot

12/28/2008 2:05:27 AM

^

12/28/2008 8:59:38 AM

sounds like some people are bitter about being fucking drunks

maybe you should lay off the sauce and do something with your life, instead of whining about the cops

12/28/2008 9:16:33 AM

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"yes, they can update their resume to look for a better job."

So being a cop isn't a noble and worthy profession? See this is the thing with you elitist liberals, on the one hand you talk utter crap about the police and trash the profession entirely, while at the same time bitching about how cops are uneducated morons and only the stupid ignorant bullies with clean records apply to be cops in the first place. Lets forget the fact that more and more cops now have a 4 year college education, a much higher percentage than even 30 years ago, and lets look at the issue. Why would an educated qualified candidate, who was on the fence about a career choice, choose law enforcement when the entire profession is constantly disparaged by you elitist assholes. I mean really, if you want to make it out like being a cop is just a terrible and pointless job, dont be surprised when good candidates dont apply. I mean the pay and lifestyle already suck, so someone on the fence constantly hearing trash talking may not want to put up with it. The people that want to be cops will be cops, and more and more of those people have higher education these days, but if society does not support the police and support that its a noble job than dont be surprised when good candidates look elsewhere. So if you think all cops are dumb uneducated hicks maybe you should be more supportive so that more qualified people may also choose this job.

12/28/2008 11:14:17 AM

[Edited on December 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM. Reason : chitchat]

12/28/2008 11:50:33 AM

fucking hippies

12/28/2008 1:06:10 PM

^^^ Haha, what are you talking about?

Cops get tons of support in society, the majority of people love cops. Where are you getting this delusional victim mentality? That's only going to make you in to one of the shitty, bitter cops that ends up making a mistake.

12/28/2008 1:19:38 PM

that is not true at all dude, I think you are thinking about firemen. Hell there is enough hate for cops just on this board and at NCSU alone to disprove your point. and it in no way detracts from the valid points I raised above.

12/28/2008 2:28:42 PM

FYI, bachelor degrees are the new HS diplomas. And why would someone with a college degree get a crappy job? You skipped over another obvious answer -- he/she was not able to compete for a better job.

12/28/2008 2:51:46 PM

well, maybe some people genuinely want to be cops, the undecided ones that are otherwise good candidates may choose to go elsewhere since its just not a noble job according to some.

hell, i could be competitive and could do other work. I had a good GPA and want to eventually get a masters, but I just wanted to be a cop. i like what i do and get personal satisfaction

[Edited on December 28, 2008 at 3:07 PM. Reason : .]

12/28/2008 3:05:01 PM

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" no hate. i'd probably be pissed off and ready to fight also every time i went out if i spend 4 months at a time lofting with another private billy, getting yelled out for a wrinkle in my uniform by the sarge, and the only women around are butch or dressed in a burka while in iraq."

4 months?

Yeah that would be nice! Try 12 - 18 months.
But at least with the new uniforms there is no ironing.
No one cares about wrinkles anymore... about damn time.

12/28/2008 4:12:25 PM

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" that is not true at all dude, I think you are thinking about firemen. Hell there is enough hate for cops just on this board and at NCSU alone to disprove your point. and it in no way detracts from the valid points I raised above. "

TWW if FAR from representative of the general population. You can't take anything anyone here says about cops seriously, especially in a thread like this one. Even you must understand when people get busted for doing stupid things, they're not going to say anything nice about the person busting them, and in the 90% of cases where the cop isn't doing anything shady, their whining is just sour grapes.

There hasn't been a single time i've been out at the store or mall and a cop was treated with anything but respect. I was in NY one time at an Indian cultural festival (maybe a year or so after 9/11), and the white cops were laughing and joking with the people there. There was no tension, and nothing but respect. You complaining that everyone hates you is like a doctor complaining about how diseased the world is. You have to look beyond what you MUST deal with to the broader perspective of how people see you. You can't imagine that a few shitbags represents anywhere close to most people.


Note that these are peoples' perceptions of these jobs. Cops are up there with doctors, nurses, and clergy

[Edited on December 28, 2008 at 7:41 PM. Reason : ]

12/28/2008 7:37:32 PM

Got my first client off a DUI on Monday. Wasn't really that difficult.

Got a tough one after that though...kid blew a .15. But there are some interesting factors that could sway it our way.

12/31/2008 11:55:19 AM

good thing he didnt crash and kill someone, huh?

12/31/2008 12:06:12 PM

^ I honestly don't think he was drunk...so yeah, I guess its still a good thing.

And the 2nd guy was in the process of stopping driving and calling a friend in a Huddle House parking lot because he knew he shouldn't have been driving. So I don't feel bad about either of these cases.

But regardless of that, everyone deserves their day in court (as well as a 2nd chance in my opinion...I don't think I'll ever represent a person who has already been convicted of a DUI).

[Edited on December 31, 2008 at 12:20 PM. Reason : .]

12/31/2008 12:19:49 PM

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"So being a cop isn't a noble and worthy profession?"

Being a good cop that contributes to society in a possitive and meaningful way... yes, that would be noble. Standing around at a checkpoint wasting tax $, not so noble.

12/31/2008 12:27:44 PM

Barry wants you to be safe!


http://nevergetbusted.com/v2/narcoticsmap.php

12/31/2008 12:32:14 PM

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"Hand him the license, registration and/or proof of insurance. It pisses them off to receive nothing but silence in response to questions like where you are going, whether you drank, etc. And with the wrong cop, it might give you a few more minutes of hassle because they have not been properly trained in dealing with citizens acting within their rights this way."

this could result in an arrest for resisting, delaying or obstructing an officer. it won't stick but you'll still have to go to court and you'll have a mandatory $1200 bail.


jbrick83 where do you practice? as in what state. i heard it got much harder in nc to get off on dwi even at the .08 level since the start of 2007

12/31/2008 2:52:12 PM

^South Carolina. 1st guy didn't blow...at the scene or back at the police station. I got it reduced to a wreckless driving.

12/31/2008 6:01:40 PM

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"this could result in an arrest for resisting, delaying or obstructing an officer."

i don't think resist delay and obstruct carry's a mandatory bail, and not talking to an officer is NOT considered resist, delay, or obstructing an officer

if a cop arrest you for simply not talking to them and charges you with resist delay and obstruct, they are retarded...of course you need to provide identification, or you can be taken downtown

12/31/2008 6:11:38 PM

[Edited on December 31, 2008 at 8:01 PM. Reason : the second one was better]

12/31/2008 8:00:33 PM

so as long as you prove your identity and prove you have driving privileges you have the right to remain silent......?

But if they suspect anything they can make you step out of the car and pat you down, amirite?

12/31/2008 8:01:19 PM

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"so as long as you prove your identity and prove you have driving privileges you have the right to remain silent......? But if they suspect anything they can make you step out of the car and pat you down, amirite?"

With a police officer in any situation outside of court, you always have the right to remain silent, with no exceptions.

If they suspect something (or pretend to suspect something), they can get you out of the car to pat you down, walk the line, touch your nose, or do any other thing. And you should always comply immediately and peacefully in response to any of these requests by the officer. But no, you have no legal obligation to speak at all.

You will never get arrested or charged with anything as far as obstruction or resisting simply for being silent. You will, however, if you are a dick while you are silent and don't immediately and peacefully comply with requests for your license, walking the line, patting you down, etc.

[Edited on December 31, 2008 at 8:21 PM. Reason : f]

12/31/2008 8:19:29 PM

step out of your car and lock your doors. they can pat you down for weapons without consent, but thats it. they cant search your person or car without consent or cause.

12/31/2008 8:21:07 PM

Geez...how did I miss out on this entertaining thread?

Have to correct "cali_j2004" on page one...he (or she) mumbled:

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"thats clayton police for you.... thus, no there arent more productive things they are sit in all the speed trap spots and have to issue the most tickets of any city.... since ive been here pretty much my whole life i know.... they are a joke and a waste of tax money... on a side note, all the citations were prly given to mexicans"

This checkpoint was held on Hwy 70 & Guy Rd which is WAKE County Dumbass. This checkpoint was likely staffed by Garner PD, Wake SO, & SHP. This is out of Clayton PDs jurisdiction. But don't let facts get in the way of your dislike for the people that keep your city safe.

12/31/2008 10:24:44 PM

i dont think it's a dislike for the people who keep our cities safe, just they way they go about doing it.

As i cited in starting this thread....

Would the police be better off patrolling the streets looking for drunk drivers or setting up a checkpoint putting a drain on manpower in order to issue 2 DWI citations?

1/1/2009 2:29:37 AM

everybody hates drunk drivers; dwi arrests are great for public relations

1/1/2009 4:15:16 AM