Well then that's their choice/problem. You guys are acting like this is some huge fucking deal that's about to bankrupt the world economy. It is in no way enforceable at the moment and therefore it's not a fucking problem at all. If a company chooses to pay for a little increased PR that's their own choice. If they choose not to then good for them. This is not a problem that concerns anyone but whoever is in charge of that company. Stop trying to make it out like it's some huge fucking problem that it's not. People make money in far worse and unscrupulous activities.

4/14/2008 3:52:58 PM

that's not the point. But it's all based on Gores scare-baiting.

4/14/2008 3:56:28 PM

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"Stop trying to make it out like it's some huge fucking problem that it's not."

i agree

stop trying to make it out like global warming is some huge fucking problem that it's not.

4/14/2008 3:58:33 PM

That is the point. Pollution is bad. We should get rid of it. If a company does too much of it, they should take a hit, in some form or another. You're just being a whiny little bitch moaning and groaning because someone out there is making money. It concerns you in no way whatsoever. There is nothing that mandates they pay 1 cent. If they want to, that's their business. Stop being a whiny little bitch about Gore making money off of pollution, which is a bad thing, every time someone brings up the topic of climate change. That's a shitty and dishonest way to further your argument.

4/14/2008 4:00:10 PM

It's funny how stoned's completely changed the basis of his argument


You guys are dumb if you don't believe global warming

Gore doesn't have a company

Carbon credits don't exist

Pollution is bad



The last one is the last resort... weakest argument of them all.

4/14/2008 4:01:46 PM

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"Pollution is bad. We should get rid of it."

dont you get what i've been saying? the carbon credit scheme system doesnt try to reduce pollution one iota...it simply generates some money...the net pollution is not affected...nobody is hating on gore for being a good entrepreneur...but if the main idea is "POLLUTION IS BAD" then what good do carbon credits do if they don't reduce pollution?

4/14/2008 4:04:25 PM

You guys are the ones who started talking about Gore and shit. My argument has developed where you have lead the thread.

4/14/2008 4:04:32 PM

i like when you said this

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"You guys have absolutely no idea what the green credits are or how they work."

that was funny and ironic

since you are the one who didnt know what they were or how they worked

4/14/2008 4:06:32 PM

that was my favorite part of this thread

4/14/2008 4:08:02 PM

I know how the system works if it's forcefully implemented on a national or international level by some higher level authority. That was before I figured out yall were bitching about some voluntary thing that companies participate in to gain a PR boost.

4/14/2008 4:11:14 PM

my God you're dense...

We're not bitching about the PR boost from the company... we're bitching about the basis that these credits are being sold.

4/14/2008 4:12:00 PM

And I'm saying yall are bitching because this thing is completely voluntary and a company in no way has to participate. No one has to give money to Gore and yet they still do. That's not Gore's problem and that doesn't really do anything but further prove the point that global warming is real. If it wasn't real, those companies would feel no obligation to pay any money to anyone for polluting. And yet they do... Odd.

4/14/2008 4:14:21 PM

we never said it was mandatory.


Also, people do a lot of things after being sold lies.


See: nigerian scams.


In other words, you're saying:

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"If the Nigerian prince wasn't real, those people would feel no obligation to pay any money to anyone for helping to transfer money. And yet they do... Odd."

And then, you can see how you've become a sucker of the global warming heist.

4/14/2008 4:16:04 PM

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"No one has to give money to Gore and yet they still do. That's not Gore's problem and that doesn't really do anything but further prove the point that global warming is real"

rofl

the fact that people voluntarily give money to Gore for carbon sequestration "further prove(s) that global warming is real"

lawlz

4/14/2008 4:18:46 PM

That's a bad analogy. The Nigerian prince scam is perpetuated by greed.

4/14/2008 4:18:47 PM

I think he's pulling off some straight up DNL type trolling

I'm not arguing anymore

4/14/2008 4:19:21 PM

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"That's a bad analogy. The Nigerian prince scam is perpetuated by greed."

LOLOLOLOLOLOL THAT MAKES IT THE PERFECT ANALOGY!

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"No one has to give money to Gore and yet they still do. That's not Gore's problem and that doesn't really do anything but further prove the point that global warming is real"

DOn't have real, empirical evidence? No problem, resort to some bullshit.

[Edited on April 14, 2008 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2008 4:20:03 PM

loller

nevermind the tax incentives of hanving yourself a company

lets talk about Gores Zinc mine

4/14/2008 4:21:13 PM

Greed by the people giving money you fucking twit. You know... in the hopes of receiving more money. People who give money to Al Gore for PR are not expecting money in return.

4/14/2008 4:21:35 PM

yeah, they're not expecting tax deductions.....

4/14/2008 4:22:24 PM

So theft by scaring uninformed people about the consequences of junk science is better?

4/14/2008 4:22:40 PM

nah, not at all.. because liberals don't like making money or having tax deductions

4/14/2008 4:22:56 PM

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"We have even less evidence to prove global warming isn't real so let's resort to ad hominem attacks on Al Gore to prove our point."

4/14/2008 4:23:47 PM

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"We have even less evidence to prove global warming isn't real"

wow just wow

4/14/2008 4:24:30 PM

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"See: nigerian scams."

I SAID THIS SHIT ON PAGE 2....

YET BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN NOBODY LISTENS...

4/14/2008 4:24:45 PM

oh great

the thread is over... he said "ad hominem"


chit chat response :"mad homo"

4/14/2008 4:25:29 PM

^^^ Ghost edit

^^ Because you type in all caps and don't really say anything meaningful no one listens to you.

^ They do resort to ad hom attacks. That was basically his entire argument for one and a half pages.

4/14/2008 4:26:54 PM

i'll raise your ad hominem one strawman...

4/14/2008 4:27:16 PM

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"he's like the ultimate Nigerian bank account scammer for the environment!"

that's not caps...

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I TYPE IN THIS THREAD WILL BE

4/14/2008 4:28:30 PM

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"Ghost edit"

boy you sure pwnt me! ignore my post and just point out that i ghost edited...that will make you not seem like a complete ignoramus on this subject

after all, everybody knows the burden of proof is one someone to disprove something, not for someone to prove something...you sure are great at the scientific process!!!1

4/14/2008 4:28:31 PM

I see your strawman and I'll raise you one nothingman

4/14/2008 4:29:16 PM

I FOLD....


YOU WIN!!!!

4/14/2008 4:30:44 PM

on tww... we all lose

4/14/2008 4:31:02 PM

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"INTERNET SERIOUS BUSINESS"

4/14/2008 4:31:58 PM

^^^^^ Yeah, I'll just completely disregard the fact that you removed that quote from the context it was in.

Fact: 2006 was the warmest year ever.

Fact: 2007 was the 5th warmest year on record.

Fact: Those are 2 more facts than anyone arguing against global warming has.

[Edited on April 14, 2008 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

4/14/2008 4:35:00 PM

ever huh?

[Edited on April 14, 2008 at 4:35 PM. Reason : and a fact at that?]

4/14/2008 4:35:37 PM

EVAR!

you know...cause back in 289743892874329874 BC that shit that killed all the dinosaurs was just a balmy day compared to 2007

4/14/2008 4:36:55 PM

So you don't think we're experiencing global warming?

4/14/2008 4:38:56 PM

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"Fact: 2006 was the warmest year ever."

IT WASNT EVEN THIS HOT 2 BILLION YEARS AGO

I KNOW FOR A FACT

^i experienced global warming up until about 3:30 this afternoon when the temperature again started to cool down for the day...thats also global warming right?

besides, the average temperature has increased 1.5 degrees in the last 100 years...its not possible that thats from natural fluctuations...the only possibility is that evil humans are causing it...we pretty much understand and control the whole earth...thats why we dont have to worry about hurricanes or volcanoes or anything any more since we have so much control over the earth

4/14/2008 4:42:36 PM

Look, I'm not arguing that the Earth has not ever been this hot or cold before. But it doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that even seemingly minor temperature fluctuations can have a profound effect on the way the people of Earth live their lives.

So you've pretty much turned this into an argument of:

Scientists say that massive amounts of pollution are warming our planet more rapidly than ever before in the course of human history.

vs.

You who say that scientists are full of shit and AL GORE IS MAKING MONEY!!!1 THERE'S NO WAY THIS CAN BE TRUE!

Forgive me for who I'm siding with.

[Edited on April 14, 2008 at 4:51 PM. Reason : ]

4/14/2008 4:47:11 PM

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"I'm not arguing that the Earth has not ever been this hot or cold before"

you just said it was a FACT that 2006 was the hottest year ever

how are you not arguing that the earth has not ever been this hot or cold before

maybe if you didnt keep claiming speculation as FACT then you wouldnt have to continuously change your stance when people continuously point out when you're wrong

4/14/2008 4:48:05 PM

why do they think the oceans will rise when the ice caps melt?

go get a glass of water and ice and watch the ice melt.


now did the water level rise in your glass?

4/14/2008 4:48:22 PM

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"Fact: 2006 was the warmest year ever."

[Edited on April 14, 2008 at 4:49 PM. Reason : sdfgsdf]

4/14/2008 4:48:55 PM

Yes, I honestly believe that we took accurate temperature readings 4 million years ago. That's why I also conveniently wrote "on record" in the second one. Seriously, pull your heads out of your asses and pay attention a little bit instead of nitpicking every little thing I write.

4/14/2008 4:53:36 PM

lol brainwashing


gore is so smart

4/14/2008 4:54:29 PM

global warming =



[Edited on April 14, 2008 at 4:55 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2008 4:54:50 PM

IMStoned420

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"We have even less evidence to prove global warming isn't real"

please explain this completely and utterly ludicrous assertion

4/14/2008 4:55:24 PM

The fact that every time someone even brings up a shred of evidence supporting global warming you people immediately put it down because it's "inconclusive" or AL GORE IS MAKING MONIES!!!! What evidence do you have to show that global warming is not happening?

4/14/2008 4:57:40 PM

haha this guy is trollin the piss out of chit chat in this thread

4/14/2008 4:58:16 PM

wow thats the best you can do to explain your statement? you might want to first learn a little something about the burden of proof in the scientific process then try again cause your first answer is pathetic

4/14/2008 4:58:37 PM