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"an inverted nipple and asymmetrical breasts are reasons just as superficial as feeling like your breasts aren't big enough...it's downright pathetic that people use only physical beauty as a measure of their self-worth, and it's downright retarded that there are parents out there that encourage them in this viewpoint"

That's a pretty big assumption you're playing with right there.

3/25/2008 10:30:45 PM

For some reason, I don't feel sorry for the girl at all.

Im also suprised the press missed the chance to point out she was drinking as a teenager...


[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 12:10 AM. Reason : someone should embed TLC "unpretty"]

3/26/2008 12:04:10 AM

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"what are those pics of, a clone party? "

I wonder if her real name was Debbie


and just for lolz @ debbies.. .

3/26/2008 12:18:20 AM

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"Because women are catty creatures and they perceive younger, hotter girls as a threat and get all territorial"

Yeah, but how many dudes can honestly say they WANT to stay with some wrinkly old fart they've had a thousand times instead of some new hot young thing?

3/26/2008 12:20:12 AM

"pre-law, I thought you were pre-med"

"whats the difference"

3/26/2008 12:22:17 AM

^^Your cynicism about these kinds of things is really starting to annoy me.

3/26/2008 12:23:28 AM

Deaths happen during common surgery all the time, this is another pretty/promising white girl died ocassion.

hopefully they will test for her genetic problem in the future

3/26/2008 12:46:10 AM

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"society killed this girl"

bullshit.

Her body's reaction to anesthesia killed her. It's nothing more than bad luck. The same thing might have happened if she had a different procedure that isn't cosmetic, such as wisdom teeth removal.

But people always need someone or something to blame, as if that somehow makes her death mean something. Give me a fucking break.

3/26/2008 5:30:33 AM

i feel the need to stick up for what i said, because i think people are oversimplifying the statement. and i like to ramble on and on

definitely the direct statement "society killed the girl" wouldn't be correct... but i still think that society had a part in why she felt insecure. does that mean i think that our society is partially responsible for her death? nah.

that's my take. i think people get offended when they hear the others say that she's an idiot and deserves a darwin award... and that leads them to make the society comment, but they just don't know how to articulate it.

was the procedure risky? apparantly as risky as any other procedure that requires you to be put under. i've never heard of boob jobs in particular being dangerous, unlike some other superficial surgeries (like the stomach staple thing). i guess the main point is that even if we assume the worst, and she was the most superficial person on the planet... she still doesn't deserve to die. people act like she was evil just because she was apparantly self-conscious about her looks. like her motive was to get nice boobs and fuck her way to the top and hurt a bunch of people along the way. i dunno

but i'm thinking she was just someone's insecure little daughter. i dont know why people get all mean about that, but get sad about the guys in the other thread who kicked the goose (i like the goose too ok)

3/26/2008 7:02:36 AM

people on here sicken me.

she did nothing illegal or wrong. get off your fucking high horses.

she had terrible luck. end of story.

3/26/2008 7:57:40 AM

^she drank underage.

both illegal and wrong.

but yeah. again, another pretty white female and you folks are jealous and want to blame someone/something else because she had things you didnt.

so her body didnt like the boobs. oh well. people die a lot from complicated surgeries.

3/26/2008 8:02:24 AM

^^^^one of my buddies from high school died getting his Wisdom Teeth taken out...


the difference between that and this is that Wisdom Teeth removal is not, 99% of the time, an electable surgery, rather it is strongly recommended by Dentists, specialists whose advice is that on which we rely.

yes, the method, the physical reaction that caused her death, was the same as the Wisdom Teeth case... but the reasons for getting the surgery are completely different... and her reasons are partly (maybe even largely) societal.

which makes this arguably even more tragic than it already is.

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 8:07 AM. Reason : k]

3/26/2008 8:05:51 AM

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"^she drank underage. both illegal and wrong."

has it been determined that the drinking caused the reaction and the death? if not than I guess we all deserve to die since most of us have had alcohol before the age of 21?

3/26/2008 8:33:30 AM

oh well i was just pointing it out. im pretty sure it had nothing to do with it.

3/26/2008 8:37:51 AM

what needs to be examined more closely is the adverse reactions to anesthetics. my uncle went into respiratory distress and passed away last summer when he went in for minor surgery on his cervical spine.

3/26/2008 9:35:32 AM

oh well...the odds are she would have ended up with some dumb jock and produced pretty, stupid children who would continue the cycle

darwin said "no"...she chose to risk her life over something that was not even remotely necessary...how is this any different than a kid who kills himself by overdosing on heroin? she didn't NEED the surgery (not even a little bit), but she did it purely for personal satisfaction...she knew the risks, she lost the game, why does she deserve more press than a kid whose parents didn't love him who ends up dead in a gutter for an equally bad decision?

she failed herself and her parents failed her, as well (i get the feeling she got whatever she wanted whenever she wanted it...when will people learn that this is one of the worst ways to raise a child?)

i really hope people learn from this girl's mistakes, because that's the only good that can come of the tragedy

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

3/26/2008 9:49:01 AM

the level of interest from most intelligent folks is around the anesthesia. she could've been going in for something non-elective, and with the same anesthetic she would've died. the shit is kind of scary especialyl since its seems random. more studies need to be done to profile patients' biochemical profiles so deaths can be avoided.

3/26/2008 10:05:40 AM

But if she didn't get the surgery she'd probably never FDT so we could post pics later

3/26/2008 10:13:27 AM

i agree that the reaction to anesthesia was the problem, but she would have never been exposed if she didn't want bigger boobs.

surgery of any kind is a big deal and should not be taken lightly.

i have no idea whatsoever of what is typical, but i would think that something as invasive as breast augmentation should not be an outpatient procedure. anesthesia is serious business.

3/26/2008 10:16:45 AM

lots of assumptions made in this thread... but what else is new

3/26/2008 3:53:21 PM

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"^she drank underage. both illegal and wrong. "

high school seniors drinking? no wai

3/26/2008 4:08:38 PM

I think the most shocking thing in this thread is how completely over the edge it has sent quagmire02

3/26/2008 4:34:14 PM

^ dude, i've been here for years...if you've not yet noticed, i'll post long editorials on ANY thread that amuses me...just because YOU get upset over teh intarweb, doesn't mean the rest of us do

ability to type nearly 100 words a minute and having nothing else to do at work != over the edge

good try, though...i encourage you to meet people (in real life, you know, in the REAL world, not in your computer land) before you presume to know them

you kids and your intarwebs

3/26/2008 4:37:35 PM

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"but she would have never been exposed if she didn't want bigger boobs."

COULD ALL THE GIRLS IN HERE GET IT RIGHT?

SHE DID NOT WANT BIGGER BOOBS.

OK?

SHE WAS GETTING SURGERY TO CORRECT ASSYMETRICAL BREASTS AND NIPPLE INVERSION.

I AM NOT DEFENDING HER (nor persecuting her), JUST GETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

3/26/2008 4:56:32 PM

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"^ dude, i've been here for years...if you've not yet noticed, i'll post long editorials on ANY thread that amuses me...just because YOU get upset over teh intarweb, doesn't mean the rest of us do ability to type nearly 100 words a minute and having nothing else to do at work != over the edge good try, though...i encourage you to meet people (in real life, you know, in the REAL world, not in your computer land) before you presume to know them you kids and your intarwebs "

...

What?

Your posts in here have been a step away from just being "fuck this dumbshit broad who just let society rule her" when all we know for a fact is that she was a girl who wanted to get an inverted nipple and different sized breasts fixed.

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 5:18 PM. Reason : .]

3/26/2008 5:16:37 PM

and for the record, Stein has no issues whatsoever being social in "the real world" and has plenty of "real" friends.

3/26/2008 6:13:22 PM

I like how this 18-y/o role HS role model is drinking a Bud Light in the second picture from the main post.

3/26/2008 7:05:42 PM

promising student pretty white girl dead

3/26/2008 7:11:43 PM

^^ well don't you know that little girls look forward to getting bigger boobs and drinking before they're 18.

3/26/2008 8:01:12 PM

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"Your posts in here have been a step away from just being "fuck this dumbshit broad who just let society rule her" when all we know for a fact is that she was a girl who wanted to get an inverted nipple and different sized breasts fixed."

look, reading comprehension, okay? i am specifically saying that society is not to blame - her death was a tragedy caused by the shared stupidity of both her and her dumbass parents...i am of the opinion that people are individuals, and it pisses the hell out of me when everyone likes to claim that it's the fault of just about anyone else...no one these days takes responsibility for their actions

and trust me, i'm hardly worked up...out of my three aliases, this is the oldest, and i rather like the role it plays...if you don't like it, you're welcome to kiss my ass...but i give you kudos for being able to translate text on a page into full-fledged emotions of someone you've never met (i'm quite sure i wouldn't lower my standards to hang out with someone like you, anyway)...get over yourself

3/26/2008 8:18:54 PM

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"(i'm quite sure i wouldn't lower my standards to hang out with someone like you, anyway)"

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"..."

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"get over yourself"

3/26/2008 8:37:25 PM

^

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"out of my three aliases, this is the oldest, and i rather like the role it plays"

he's just a choirboy that got the drop on all you fools

3/26/2008 9:29:03 PM

Wow, make one little innocuous comment and look how riled up people get.

3/26/2008 9:37:32 PM

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"I like how this 18-y/o role HS role model is drinking a Bud Light in the second picture from the main post."

im gonna make this simple statement as long as i can

most of the people who i drank with in high school ended up doing pretty well. actually, when i was 17, me and a girl left a party and went to go get some beer. we got busted by ALE and got tickets. fast forward 10 years

when i first moved to greensboro, i ended up needing an attorney in raleigh, and i was thinking the case was outside of the experience of my regular attorneys. anyways, i'm looking through the online 'yellow pages' trying to find one. and guess who i found...

the girl who drank a beer in high school. OMG. i know she is the exception to the rule and everyone else who drank in high school is now homeless and pregnant and the mother of 17 kids.

kids are gonna drink beer in high school. its part of the high school experience, come on now.

3/26/2008 10:18:36 PM

lol, i wasnt saying she was going to be a shit person later in life

i just really appreciated how everyone in the first page and a half was completely oblivious to that tiny detail

3/27/2008 12:34:42 AM

"She was a role model for a lot of people,"
"She was incredibly smart. She wanted to help people."
whom friends described as "perfect"
"She was a wonderful person and she changed all our lives,"

I'm sorry, but those type of statements belong to someone of the caliber of say Mother Teresa or Princess Diana, not some self-conscious bleach blond future U.F. pre-med (ha) high school prep.

3/27/2008 3:10:24 AM

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"i just really appreciated how everyone in the first page and a half was completely oblivious to that tiny detail "

it's more like an "unimportant fact totally unrelated to the death" -- that's likely why no one talked about it. maybe if the thread were called '18 year old girl drinks a beer omg'

anyways

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"high school prep."

OHHHH now i understand why everyone is so upset. bad memories eh?

3/27/2008 6:51:35 AM

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"how so very pathetic...what a craptastic way to go"

3/27/2008 7:00:47 AM

Plastic surgery is the norm now, folks.

We're way past talk about the superficial nature of society and how it should be different.

I was blabbering about my plans to have my breasts done, and my friend launched into this speech about how she wouldn't judge me and understood my reasoning but it just wasn't for her, blah, blah, blah...and all I could do was laugh at her for being so quaint. She sounded like an early-90's talk show host.

(Deaths will occur and should not be considered news.)

3/27/2008 8:32:22 AM

^ When our society becomes so jaded that any loss of human life is no longer relevant, we have a PROBLEM. I argue against the Pretty White Girl syndrome, that any death is tragic, but to just ignore the loss of a life is WAY too dehumanizing for me.

3/27/2008 8:36:20 AM

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"^she drank underage. both illegal and wrong."

it's illegal, but not wrong. I'm saying that b/c other countries with either a lower legal drinking age, or none at all, have less alcohol related crimes and deaths than the US.

3/27/2008 9:17:34 AM

^^People die. It's not news.

There's nothing dehumanizing about that.

In fact, one could argue that it's very human to acknowledge that death is not news.

3/27/2008 9:30:15 AM

3/27/2008 9:33:39 AM

^^^ im not taking sides here, just stating that nearly everything i found when doing a paper on this in college proved that that was a myth or in some cases the exact opposite.

3/27/2008 9:36:33 AM

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"COULD ALL THE GIRLS IN HERE GET IT RIGHT?"

the very first version of the article only said breast augmentation...so uh yeah that's my excuse. i didn't reread the article after the first time.

3/27/2008 9:39:56 AM

turns out inverted areolas are a sign of breast cancer. Who knew.

3/27/2008 9:41:15 AM

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"hopefully they will test for her genetic problem in the future"

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"The problem is that there’s no easy way to identify people who are at risk of the syndrome. “Most often, there isn’t a clue,” he said. “The only test to predict it, you’d have to cut out some muscles from a leg and there’s only five places in the country that can do this.”"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23807734/

3/27/2008 10:19:14 AM

so she had inverted nips?

3/27/2008 10:28:20 AM

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"Kuleba was rushed to Delray Medical Center about two hours into the procedure to correct asymmetrical breasts and inverted areola, family attorney Roberto Stanziale said."

3/27/2008 3:38:09 PM

damn i guess it would be hard to say no to that if i had the money...

3/27/2008 8:17:53 PM