saps, I dont think you're talking to me, but I understand why people are offended

but this doesnt need as much attention as it is getting

11/19/2007 2:46:48 PM

in other news

there seriously is a noose hanging on the wall in players retreat


BURN IT DOWN!!!!!!!!

11/19/2007 2:48:19 PM

ALkatraz has long won

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11/19/2007 2:49:32 PM

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"symbols mean different things to different people, but to sit here and say OMG HOW DARE YOU BE OFFENDED BY A NOOSE THATS SO STUPID "

I understand completely why people are offended by a noose. It is a negative symbol from their people's past. But for God's sake, who the hell cares if they are offended. I am offended by a bunch of stuff. People are offended every day in far worse ways than this, and no one creates a stupid outcry like this. It is absurd. So your offended. Big deal, get over it. I was offended seriously by something once. So I got over it. This isn't a fairytale world where your feelings are never going to get hurt. Your toes are going to get stepped on...big whoop.

11/19/2007 2:58:09 PM

Yeah, so I guess they should just go ahead and make pornographic billboards too

11/19/2007 3:00:00 PM

meh

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:09 PM. Reason : meh]

11/19/2007 3:05:49 PM

^^I am not saying that people should go around making pornographic billboards just like I am not saying that people should go around making toilet paper nooses, but what I am saying is that in the case that someone does make a toilet paper noose (or presents you with pornographic material). Dont spend forever crying about it. Just say what you need to say and get over it. Yeah we all understand it wasn't a good idea to make that noose...and that's that. Let it rest.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:07 PM. Reason : ^]

11/19/2007 3:06:48 PM

^^Really?

I mean, that's not at all what I was doing... but

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"So your offended. Big deal, get over it. I was offended seriously by something once. So I got over it."

You're saying a pornographic billboard isn't a valid response to the above quote?

It's offensive right?

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:08 PM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 3:07:26 PM

I will not deny that the noose is a symbol of hatred and discrimination.

When you allow them to use a symbol and get so worked up about it and react the way that people have over incidents like this, it gives them the power.

90% of the people doing this are young punk kids that see what happens on tv when one is found and think it's cool. I bet if people stopped making such a big deal about it, dealt with the problems quietly but severely, there wouldn't be such a problem with them anymore.

11/19/2007 3:09:04 PM

^right on

11/19/2007 3:10:03 PM

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"It's offensive right?"

yes, but not in the same manner as a toiler paper noose, and as far as it being offensive...see above post.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:11 PM. Reason : as*]

11/19/2007 3:11:19 PM

They aren't the same, you're right.

Pornograpgy and Racism are NOT THE SAME

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:13 PM. Reason : sorry, i'm just fuckin with y'all for real.]

11/19/2007 3:13:16 PM

it doesn't affect anyone. This is like a rich black business owner complaining about slavery. It's not affecting you now and it didn't affect anyone you know alive right now. People just like to complain about shit because it makes them feel like they have power.

11/19/2007 3:13:34 PM

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"People just like to complain about shit because it makes them feel like they have power. "

I HAVE NEVER HEARD WISER WORDS SPOKEN

/sarcasm

11/19/2007 3:14:21 PM

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"people whose sole job is diversity education have sweet jobs where they don't have to do anything important."

i want one of these, i could just look a photo and determine diversity

11/19/2007 3:20:03 PM

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"people whose sole job is diversity education have sweet jobs where they don't have to do anything important."

I was thinking the same thing, because racism/bigotry doesn't exist anymore - and educating the student body on how peoples' differences could strengthen rather than WEAKIFY the school would be

FTL

11/19/2007 3:23:37 PM

^^^ You'd be surprised about how true that holds.

11/19/2007 3:23:51 PM

Yeah, these damn homeless people I pass every day who keep complaining about being "cold" and "hungry" are just a bunch of power-hungry, hate-mongering elitist bastards

11/19/2007 3:30:29 PM

11/19/2007 3:31:20 PM

*Grabs popcorn, sits back*

11/19/2007 3:31:33 PM

^^^why are you trying to turn this into something it is not?

You are clearly a bigot yourself

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .]

11/19/2007 3:33:27 PM

can you be more specific please?

11/19/2007 3:34:05 PM

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"Yeah, these damn homeless people I pass every day who keep complaining about being "cold" and "hungry" are just a bunch of power-hungry, hate-mongering elitist bastards"

they are perfectly capable of going over to mcdonalds and getting a job.

11/19/2007 3:34:52 PM

^^its not about homeless people, its not about pornographic material exposure. It's about getting over things that are offensive and then moving on. Its about not whining about things just to get media attention. Its about not feeding the kind of people who make toilet paper nooses for attention.

It is NOT about the giant foot of the white supremist stomping the small and ever oppressed black man

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ^]

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ^]

11/19/2007 3:35:59 PM

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"the point is that making it a big deal gives the symbol power if everyone would move the fuck on...this wouldnt be an issue"

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"the point is that making it a big deal gives the symbol power if everyone would move the fuck on...this wouldnt be an issue"

Quote :

"the point is that making it a big deal gives the symbol power if everyone would move the fuck on...this wouldnt be an issue"

Quote :

"the point is that making it a big deal gives the symbol power if everyone would move the fuck on...this wouldnt be an issue"

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"the point is that making it a big deal gives the symbol power if everyone would move the fuck on...this wouldnt be an issue"

11/19/2007 3:36:19 PM

11/19/2007 3:36:26 PM

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"its not about homeless people, its not about pornographic material exposure. It's about getting over things that are offensive and then moving on. Its about not whining about things just to get media attention. Its about not feeding the kind of people who make toilet paper nooses for attention. It is NOT about the giant foot of the white supremist stomping the small and ever oppressed black man "

ok, first you want me to get off the topic of the stupid noose, then you want me to stay on topic of the stupid noose

make up your fucking mind!

11/19/2007 3:38:03 PM

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"if you dont think that is a pretty harsh memory and would probably still be a touchy subject to some poeple today then let me borrow your cat for a day and see how you feel. "

Way to make a completely irrelevant analogy. gg.

I know what the noose is, I know what it was used for, but I also know that MANY other people besides blacks have been hanged by it, even Sadaam died by noose! It is a symbol of death... period. Not necessarily death to any particular race of people. And I didn't say "How dare you be offended by it", I'm just saying be as offended as you want but stop making a huge deal about THIS CASE... it was TOILET PAPER, NOT EVEN 12 INCHES LONG, AND FOUND BY THE SHITTER!!! IT WAS NOT MADE OF ROPE, 30 FEET LONG, AND HANGING IN THE BRICKYARD. I just don't think that the person who made it was being malicious (yes, intentions are everything), I think they just had a turd hung sideways and got bored sitting there waiting to poop...

11/19/2007 3:41:17 PM

11/19/2007 3:41:42 PM

What does "Blacknificent" mean?

11/19/2007 3:43:02 PM

is that black and efficient or black inefficient

11/19/2007 3:43:16 PM

bethaleigh - you've missed the point many times. If whites never intentionally used the noose as a threatening symbol against BLACKS then, you're right, this wouldn't be an issue.

ok?

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"is that black and efficient or black inefficient "

lol, black NIFICENT as in magnificent - where the hell did you get efficient? Can you read?

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 3:43:50 PM

I figured a combination of black and magnificent. maybe?

11/19/2007 3:43:53 PM

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"I am amazed to find out who and what white people once were and now are: I am more amazed at what and whom they are devolving to; even more, I am astonished at the revelation of who we once were and even more astonished to discover we have been reconstituted to be now who we are not I am Dr. Kamau Kambon"

11/19/2007 3:44:09 PM

i don't think a noose made out of toilet paper in a bathroom stall could have possibly had a bigger deal made about it.

11/19/2007 3:44:48 PM

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"The paramount concern of white people is Dr. Kamau Kambon Why? Because Dr. Kambon maintains the following: · I am Afrikan, and see mySelf connected to Afrikans all over the world. · I am Vegan and have not consumed any pork, beef, chicken, or fish in 29 years; I consume no eggs, no cheese, no milk, no ice cream or other dairy products and have followed this lifestyle for 29 years. I drink no sodas, coffee or consume junk food: French fries, chips, etc. I consume no refined sugars: no white sugar, no turbinado, sucrose, corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup, saccharine, sweet and low, cane juice or whatever other sweeteners are on the market. I consume no white flour products or white salt, food additives or coloring in foods. · I consume no alcohol and have not had any alcohol in over thirty years; I was never an alcoholic. · I am not homosexual or a child predator · I do not smoke cigarettes or any other drug. · I have never taken any drugs and do not take, nor have I taken, any prescription medication in thirty years · I try to go to sleep before 10 PM because the search says that if one goes to sleep before 10:00 PM, every hour of sleep after 12 midnight is worth 2 hours of sleep-I seldom sleep late, and usually am awake by 4:30 AM and work 14-16 hours every day · I try to exercise 2 to 3 times every week because the research says this will keep the body healthy. I try to drink ½ my body weight in ounces of water everyday and this is of great benefit · My blood pressure is at its optimum best and in my last physical, about a year ago, the doctor said that, barring getting run over by a car, I should live to be very old. · I have no chest pains and have not had a headache in over 33 years and have not had even an aspirin in 33 years · For the record, I am neither despondent, nor have I ever been suicidal. I love living, and enjoy nature and animals immensely. I love jazz & hoop. · I am neither a member of a fraternal, civic, religious, political, nor social group; nor have I ever been a member of any cult, sect, gang, martial arts club, military group, or any national or international movement of any kind · I neither fancy myself as a leader nor a hero · I pay my entire share of taxes and never evade paying taxes. · I have never been to jail or to prison and do not have a prison record. · I do not have any real luxury items, nor am I interested in obtaining any, and drive a car that is 15 years old · I am happily married to the same Afrikan woman for almost three decades and I have never had an illicit affair outside of my marriage. My philosophy is that if a man has an affair outside of his marriage, the very next day he should file for and get a divorce. I have no children out of wedlock. · Over the course of my life, I have never intentionally physically harmed anyone, and am polite, express good manners, generally quiet with not much to say and do not hate anyone. · I have not celebrated a european holiday since around 1970-I thought about it and “Real Eyes” it makes absolutely no sense for a Black person to celebrate any european “holiday” · I read a lot and am interested in most subjects: science, culture, economics, education, psychology, oceanography and more. · I adore Black Liberation Music called Jazz performed by authentic musicians: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, Elvin Jones, Donald Byrd, Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, Horace Silver, Wes Montgomery, and Cannonball-and I reject completely fake “smooth jazz” that is being propagated by the Culture Bandits · I never want to do anything to harm or hurt Black people; I love Black people and seek protection for them, and myself and family, and want Black people, as well as myself and family, to have much abundance, and abundance here means: access, without restriction or penalty, to clean fresh drinkable water, healthy uncontaminated, non-genetically modified foods, to be able to breathe clean fresh air, be free of addictions, and live a simple basic life that does not impinge on others, the land, the water or the air or animals. · I want all of the various groups-the chinese, the japanese, the south koreans, east indians, arabs, and the whites to stop messing with Black people, wherever Black people are on this earth. I want to see an end to the national and international Black Holocaust in the areas of psychology, culture, education, economics, social relations, on jobs, on the highways and in all of the areas of life activity. · I do not want to be killed by the government or any white or Black person –or any other person for that matter- who does not like what I have had to say. I am merely reporting the historical facts and the facts speak for themselves. Anything that I have said is verifiable and anyone can go and look up the same information, if they want to become an educated person. I do not want white people or Black people, or any other people to be intentionally mis-educated, dis-informed, or victimized into making inappropriate decisions based on mis-information. I want the problem solved so Black people no longer suffer needlessly –not because they are Black, but rather because those bringing the harm are white-those who bring the harm just because they have power, guns, money, or information. · I want to live in a country, this country, where the soil is soaked with the blood of my people, at the hands of white people, overtly and covertly, and not be afraid to travel because people will be angry with me for giving them an analysis to a problem too long unsolved, yet they have the ability, but not the will to solve it. · I want to live in a country where the media have the awesome power to make the whole world enchanted with and love a little cartoon mouse and a goofy dog, so much that people will work hard all year long to save enough money and then spend millions and millions of dollars to travel from the far corners of the earth to visit a mouse, that is not even real. People, white people, say, “it doesn’t matter if you are white, yellow, Black or green” Well apparently, white people prefer green; because they can get the whole country to bring out the welcome wagons for a little green frog, who is traveling around the country being celebrated. The media, and those with influence, can get the whole country to take time out to celebrate, and go wild, over a little green fake toy named Kermit the Frog. If the media, and those who wield influence and power, can do that, they ought to easily be able to enchant the same world with the marvel, accomplishments, scientific inventions, paradigms and yet to be realized abilities of the Black Man and the Black Woman. If the media wanted to, if they simply so decided, they can literally change minds-we have been pleading and asking them to change the image they have been projecting of Black people from the 1850’s to the present. Change now. · Thirty years ago a white co-worker asked me, “What do Black people want”? I can now answer that question for myself and no one else, after years and years of deep, deep study, attending hundreds of lectures, purchasing tapes, buying books, etc: · I want our store, cultural center, and ventures to manifest in a strong, fruitful and positive way by bringing Black people from all over to our place and, in turn, the Afrikan spirit will be rekindled, renewed and flourish throughout the land. · I want Freedom for all Black people "

What a fucking nutjob.

11/19/2007 3:45:23 PM

so can i make a publishing company called "whitenificent"?


no. that'd be racist. it goes both ways, damnit.

11/19/2007 3:45:46 PM

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"What does "Blacknificent" mean?"

more than magnificent should've been a big hint.

11/19/2007 3:45:55 PM

i'd use the noose as a symbol of hatred


against more costly forms of execution, like, lethal injection


that's about it....

long drop and a quick stop, too good for most i say

11/19/2007 3:47:11 PM

So, noone would care that it was used to threaten Jews, Europeans, and all those other races?


Duh, I think I know where the word came from, but what does it stand for? A publishing company, a specific book, WHAT is it, WHAT does it STAND FOR? That is what the question meant... (I'm assuming the book area because of the picture of the guy)

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 3:47:19 PM

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"Kemetic/Egyptian Origin of the Bennu Bennu is the name of a particular and special ancient Kemetic bird. This majestic bird flew over the land for 500 years spreading culture, arts and sciences for all to gather. After 500 years, the Bennu made a nest from branches and leaves of the earth then fanned its wings over the nest until a fir rose from the pile. The birds soared high over this pyre then plunge down into the raging inferno. After a short time had past, from the ashes a new bird emerged. Flying high above the earth, the Bennu again spread the culture through the arts and sciences over the land for another 500 years. The Bennu Cultural Center serves as a hub of cultural activity. It brings the community together to celebrate the traditional greatness of our African ancestry as well as to prepare our people for the 21st century and beyond. "

11/19/2007 3:47:26 PM

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"so can i make a publishing company called "whitenificent"? no. that'd be racist. it goes both ways, damnit. "

hahahahaha

you can't make a publishing company called whitenificent!!!!

NANY NANY BOO BOO!!!

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 3:47:42 PM

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"So, noone would care that it was used to threaten Jews, Europeans, and all those other races?"

it may have been used to kill some of them, but in NORTH CAROLINA (where the noose was found) it was never (widely) used as a symbol of hatred against them.

Do you see the difference now?

11/19/2007 3:49:01 PM

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"· I am Afrikan, and see mySelf connected to Afrikans all over the world. "

from what i've read, they do NOT feel the way. you are american, deal with it.

11/19/2007 3:49:41 PM

What gets me is he used to be a visiting professor, but there was no stink about it.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:50 PM. Reason : he]

11/19/2007 3:50:00 PM

i think it was more used as a symbol against breaking the law most of the time...

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"or white salt"

lawlzocolypse

11/19/2007 3:50:07 PM

so, the difference is context?

where black people hung in the bathroom? what about the bathroom do you find so offensive

11/19/2007 3:50:28 PM

i wouldn't call him a nutjob, it sounds like an extremely healthy lifestyle, wish i could be that dedicated

11/19/2007 3:50:33 PM

i wouldn't call him normal either

besides, who wants to live their life according to research

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 3:52 PM. Reason : he sure does]

11/19/2007 3:51:52 PM

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"it may have been used to kill some of them, but in NORTH CAROLINA (where the noose was found) it was never (widely) used as a symbol of hatred against them"

What about the white supremacists? Dont they hate on the Jews too? Haven't they viewed the noose as an instrument on getting rid of the Jews also? If a Jewish man had been cleaning the bathroom, would this be as big of an issue today?

11/19/2007 3:52:02 PM