I had planned long before I graduated to go to community first.
I was actually going to go to UNCG for biz then changed my major at community and went to State(MEA) then I changed it back to BIZ after a semester and decided to stay at State.

Only two colleges offer that degree in NC, UNC Asheville(accepted to transfer) and State. State took forever though compared to Asheville.

[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 6:24 PM. Reason : w]

10/8/2007 6:22:09 PM

SURVEY DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THEIR EXTRA CURRICULARS

10/8/2007 6:27:35 PM

SAT scores across the country are declining... http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/2007/08/28/sat-scores-drop-for-the-second-year-in-a-row.html

... just a reflection of the greater American trends.

10/8/2007 6:52:08 PM

Quote :

"HUR, I went to community first, best thing I did....when I transfered the students I hung out with at first were freshman, that group of like 6, 5 flunked out and the last one I think eventually graduated. I think being a lil older helps!"

Excellent you proved my point.

10/8/2007 7:05:34 PM

Didn't read the rest of this thread, but to respond to this

Quote :

"I would rather a university enroll a kid with a 1050 SAT score but still graduated in the top 50 of their class, lettered in a varsity sport, was involved in community service, etc"

Individually (factoring out for other effects)
- GPA is the best predictor of college success
- SAT next
- Sports and community service and all that other nonsense are last and almost wholly biased towards socioeconomic factors (meaning that the effect of activities cannot be distinguished from the effect of socioeconomic status)

If you had a college admission application that looked like the following, you would be able to get the same level of talent as you do now without all the essays, meaningless activities, honors, sports, interviews, etc:

GPA:_______________
Class Rank:_______________
SAT:________________
Family Income:______________


[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 7:38 PM. Reason : Then if you can normalize by family income if you want to help poor people.]

10/8/2007 7:34:13 PM

Quote :

"i think it's clear that you don't know anything about me. I made high-1300s on SAT (good, but not good enough for Parks Scholar material), top 5 class rank (2%), lettered 9 times in varsity sports, was a multiple team and individual NC 4A state champion and all-american athlete, Eagle Scout, and have never "gamed" in my life nor owned a game console or gaming computer, and ended up coming to NCSU as a varsity athlete on academic scholarships. "

AND MY PEEN IS 18" LONG


seriously, this is a 3 pt drop. big fucking deal. i'm still gettin mine when i graduate, as will many other state grads in my field now and in the future.

10/8/2007 7:34:34 PM

harder to get into UNC

harder to get out of NCSU

everyone knows that

10/8/2007 7:36:15 PM

^^exactly. The 3 points is significant because of the large sample size. 3 points less on the SAT doesn't mean someone is significantly dumber than before.

[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 7:38 PM. Reason : sad]

10/8/2007 7:37:50 PM

i wouldn't have brought that up except that gunzz automatically equated me as a stay-at-home videogame nerd just because OMG i got a good SAT score!

I also don't think the 3 point drop is really a big deal. The larger point, though, is that NCSU's standards are low enough and don't need to get any lower.

10/8/2007 7:38:28 PM

Nonsense. Undergrad = the new High School. NCSU is becoming the new high school. Whenever you become more inclusive, the average talent is going to go down.

10/8/2007 7:40:46 PM

I wonder if a 3 point drop is less than a standard deviation from the mean SAT score at State

10/8/2007 7:44:15 PM

i don't think our standards are low

i think we're a STATE school, not the elitist wannabe ivy league bullshit down the road (both schools)

we let in people to learn how to farm - i mean, how much more of a "university of the people" do you need

don't forget: we were started to correct the mistake that was UNC - a liberal arts school in an agriculture-based economy. the state needed A&M type education and NCSU delivered. SAT scores be damned.

10/8/2007 7:45:35 PM

well guess what. We don't live in an Agricultural-based economy anymore. We live in a technology/service economy. NCSU has adapted to supply high-tech trained engineers. Our Ag school remains an important part of the university, but it is no longer the most relevant or important college to the success of the university or to the North Carolina economy.

10/8/2007 7:57:37 PM

^
ok then, i'll take our 1150 SAT scores and highly trained engineers & tech grads

UNC (and starbucks) can have their 1300 SAT scores

and we still teach people how to run a farm, and yes, agriculture is still a huge part of the NC economy. look outside of charlotte & RDU - what do you think all those huge plots of land are on the the way to the beach, golf courses?

10/8/2007 8:01:37 PM

And just as yesterday's agriculture job didn't require extreme exclusivity, neither do today's engineering jobs. There are so many engineering jobs nowadays, there are plenty of jobs for people of average ability.


As the biggest state university, it's NCSU's job to cater to the masses.

[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 8:03 PM. Reason : sdf]

10/8/2007 8:02:48 PM

Quote :

"As the biggest state university, it's NCSU's job to cater to the masses"

why would any organization strive for mediocrity? there are 16 public universities in nc, there's no compelling reason reason for ncsu to be the largest or most middling

10/8/2007 8:17:01 PM

never took the sat. currently have a 3.8 gpa in my senior year.



sat's don't mean shit. what's important is if the individual cares about what they're doing, and if they actually apply themselves to knowing the material.

btw, I barely graduated high school, graduated on a technicality, now I"m makin good grades. I don't think a test can tell you shit, I think it just depends on what the individual person will do.

10/8/2007 8:27:02 PM

sat verbal is a joke.

also

DON'T FORGET THAT THEY CHANGED THE TEST AND THE SCORES ARE ALL LOWER

i don't need to worry in pams. and nobody in cals or engineering needs to worry either. its chass and management doing all the low balling.

10/8/2007 8:45:57 PM

^^ What's your major?

10/8/2007 9:08:58 PM

Quote :

"Family Income:______________"

oh shit!!!!!!!! I didn't realize that Family Income played a part on who we let into state.

I guess after see their

Quote :

"GPA:_______________"

showing the amount of effort they put into their 4 years of highschool

Quote :

" Class Rank:_______________"

how a student did compared to other members who went to their highschool

they then try to weed out the rest using

Quote :

"SAT:________________"

b.c the score of taking a 3 hour standardized test that provides an arbitrary score of how much SAT prep a student has had.

Quote :

"Family Income:______________"

- to ensure we keep out the poor undesirables from NCSU after reaching our set quota.

10/8/2007 9:40:35 PM

^ Do you understand how statistics works?

10/8/2007 9:42:23 PM

yeah i do. I don't argue that SAT scores shouldn't matter. I am just trying to argue against the arrogant asshole who started this thread who seems to think that the SAT is the end all for evaluating freshman. my NCSU degree is "watered" down or some crap b.c the avg SAT score is down like 5% when their is a lot other more important factors then the stupid SAT.

10/8/2007 9:52:08 PM

You are a pretty sad person. All I did was post the article. I didn't write it.

I also don't think that we should start lowering standards in order to get more tuition or income flowing through the school. If that makes me arrogant and an asshole, then I will be glad to be that guy.

It's unfortunate that you can't grasp such a simple concept and it is more unfortunate that the subject is such a touchy one for you.


[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 10:11 PM. Reason : sfd]

10/8/2007 10:09:05 PM

Quote :

"Eagle Scout"

This thread just keeps getting better and better.

10/8/2007 10:41:20 PM

Frankly most universities are easy to get into. College is the new high school.

10/8/2007 11:21:39 PM

Quote :

"You are a pretty sad person. All I did was post the article. I didn't write it."

you specifically stated that the Lowered SAT standard is akin to

Quote :

"watching your stock drop"

when referring to a NCSU degree

10/9/2007 1:00:09 AM

We went down 3 points in the SAT, hardly a reason to be concerned. Companies don't go omg ncsu went down 3 points (they look at the major you graduated with and more importantly the connections you have made). A degree from most places except the most elite colleges are simply a scrap of paper saying you finished something.

UNC is the flagship and is popular across the United States. NCSU is a state college, of course were not going to have an SAT near UNC.

10/9/2007 7:23:12 AM

Quote :

"i wouldn't have brought that up except that gunzz automatically equated me as a stay-at-home videogame nerd just because OMG i got a good SAT score!"

no, agentlion...i put you in that category b/c of your idiotic stance in this thread
plus, im trolling you hard and you ran with it

10/9/2007 8:53:00 AM

a better metric would be recent graduate starting salaries

10/9/2007 9:44:42 AM

I hate to get into a pro-UNC fan but unless you are an engineering student or a AGR; UNC undergraduate degree programs carry my prestige and reputation

10/9/2007 9:46:12 AM

^^haha


[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 9:57 AM. Reason : ]

10/9/2007 9:46:28 AM

^^^ no doubt, I'd be very interested in seeing something like that. Most UNC undergraduate degrees are in fields of intellectual masturbation and generally do not supply any skills that are employable.

^^ english please?

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 9:53 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/9/2007 9:53:22 AM

Quote :

"UNC is the flagship and is popular across the United States. NCSU is a state college, of course were not going to have an SAT near UNC."

So UNC is not a state university? Wow, learn something new every day.

I also wasn't aware that popularity was a valid metric for assessing a school's academic reputation. Guess I'm just dumb.

10/9/2007 9:53:38 AM

http://www.naceweb.org/info_public/salaries.htm

Breaks it down by regions/schools/etc.

The information isn't free, however.

http://www.ncsu.edu/majors-careers/do_with_major_in/

If you scroll through the majors in the various colleges it will give you national averages(provided by NACE/US Bureau of Labor).

I guess that you could extrapolate NCSU vs. UNC by breaking down the percentage of graduates in various fields.

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 10:17 AM. Reason : edit]

10/9/2007 10:15:28 AM

Hopefully this drop indicates that we have recruited some non-qualifiers for our football team.

10/9/2007 11:12:09 AM

^Ding ding ding........however judging by this season's performance.........

Case in point, Derek Morris. Too dumb for OSU but just right for NCSU

10/9/2007 12:40:30 PM

Quote :

"b.c the score of taking a 3 hour standardized test that provides an arbitrary score of how much SAT prep a student has had."

That type of test you only get marginal gains by attempting to "study" for. You're kidding yourself if you think the people who got 1500-1600 did so because they had some fancy SAT prep course that they paid a couple hundred bucks for.

10/9/2007 2:22:22 PM

i have to agree with you on that. SAT prep courses are only going to help bump most people's scores slightly. we're talking maybe helping on a few questions total imo

10/9/2007 2:27:09 PM

^^ that's what i've been trying to say. People making 14 and 1500s on the SAT are just smart. Simple as that. SAT prep courses might help someone get from a 1000 to 1050, it would have diminishing returns for people who can already get very high scores naturally. A lot of guys here just have a hard time admitting that 1) there are lots of smart kids out there easily making 1350+ while maintaining perfectly healthy life/school balances, and 2) these are the kind of kids that NC State should strive to get.

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 2:30 PM. Reason : . ]

10/9/2007 2:30:15 PM