i think i'll try to hit their cars too

7/24/2007 12:03:00 AM

^ftw

7/24/2007 12:08:59 AM

you should park your bus over there for a while.

i'm glad i bought in a non hoa neighborhood. the city of raleigh and the state have all the laws/ordinances in place that i feel are neccessary to uphold my property value.

7/24/2007 12:29:53 AM

i've been scared to even bring it down there, i was going to park it at walmart when i did though and look into an RV spot at a storage place... any suggestions on how to lock the damn thing up?? i can manage a way to chain either of the doors shut but not a way to do both and still get out of the thing lol

7/24/2007 12:34:09 AM

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"ok now get drunk and go pee on her door"

lol

7/24/2007 12:40:35 AM

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"HOAs don't protect the integrity of a community, and they most definitely are not democratic. They charge dues and rarely provide anything in return."

nothing personal, but thats so redneck to say

i'll have to post our bulletin on here someday (minus, of course, the part where they give me free advertising by listing my name and number if your computer breaks) to show how much they spend out here. i mean they re-roofed a couple of places last month. spent all this money on the pool. new 7 foot fences over there to keep out the TRASH!!!1 60 billion bucks on landscaping etc etc etc

the people who run it will tell you its one of the most thankless jobs ever. they have jobs and shit all day, then they have to deal with all this other crap like bob at 572 that wants to pull his daughters old bed to the curb on saturday, when garbage day is thursday.

so you go to work all day then gotta come home and deal with the assholes, plus you have to set up stuff with contractors and take bids, award jobs, blah blah blah. i'd hate to be them. i am glad they hook me up with business just for resizing pics and random stuff for them.

7/24/2007 8:08:45 AM

one situation doesn't invalidate what I said, and I seriously doubt your board members put as much effort into running the HOA as they claim they are. Most of them pass off all the budgeting, planning, and construction work to outside firms to handle.

7/24/2007 8:13:29 AM

myrtle is for trash

7/24/2007 9:21:32 AM

its silly HOAs are democratic
they only consist of contracts and rules...

7/24/2007 10:31:15 AM

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"You can sue over regulations they put in place that could potentially violate laws or civil rights."

Excellent, now I can spend my hard earned cash suing my neighbors because they don't think I have the right to trim a tree in my yard.

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"Get involved or pay the price. If someone is trying to get a retarded regulation passed, call the neighborhood. A lot of the stuff wouldn't pass if people actually knew about it. "

I've got better things to do than argue with the local cat lady over what sades of white I can use on my house. Furthermore, wouldn't it be easier to just confront your neighbors when they're being a pain, rather than creating a regulating body which now requires constant oversight to solve a one off problem?

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"And beyond that, you should be living somewhere with people who you can get along with. The same thing as working with people you get along with. "

Which is why HOAs suck. They provide an excuse for people who don't get along to live in the same area as opposed to moving. If some asshole paints his house neon green with pink polka-dots, move or confront him directly.

7/24/2007 10:44:44 AM

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"If some asshole paints his house neon green with pink polka-dots, move or confront him directly."

Do you even understand the concept of property values?

7/24/2007 10:48:41 AM

he's a 20yr old with the username 1337 b4k4 - it's doubtful

it's been mentioned before but you can definitely tell the people that are homeowners are aren't in this thread

7/24/2007 10:52:52 AM

you people are missing the most important point. If you don't like HOAs or you don't like the rules or by-laws of a particular HOA, don't buy a fucking house under their jurisdiction. Noone is forcing you to live anywhere. It's your responsibility to find out what you are agreeing to by living somewhere.

The problem that you will run into most of the time is that you all want to live in nice neighborhoods, but without any rules on what you can or cannot do with your property. Well guess why that neighborhood is nice?? You can't have it both ways.

7/24/2007 11:02:32 AM

no, they think you rent

7/24/2007 11:30:32 AM

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""If some asshole paints his house neon green with pink polka-dots, move or confront him directly.""

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"Do you even understand the concept of property values?"

Or WHY the HOA is in place? My HOA fee of $40.00 per month GUARANTEES that my next door neighbor will not park 4 cars in the driveway and 4 more in the street. Also, I'll never have to worry about moving or confronting someone because of the way they painted their house.

7/24/2007 12:08:02 PM

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"If some asshole paints his house neon green with pink polka-dots, move or confront him directly. "

thats the dumbest thing ive read in a while.

7/24/2007 12:11:02 PM

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"The problem that you will run into most of the time is that you all want to live in nice neighborhoods, but without any rules on what you can or cannot do with your property. Well guess why that neighborhood is nice?? You can't have it both ways."

This statement is a giant steaming wheelbarrow full of crap.

My parents' house is in a very nice neighborhood in Rocky Mount. Every time I visit them I think to myself how much nicer it has gotten as it matured over the last 20 years since they moved there. The same holds true for the other nice neighborhoods as well.

Look at any of the nicest neighborhoods in Raleigh and you'll see the same. Mordecai, Boylan Heights, Hayes Barton, Oakwood, and Five Points to name a few. Do you think they need a HOA? Do you think they even want an HOA? Of course there are a few dumps in each neighborhood, but as time passes eventually those dumps will be put in the hands of new owners who will fix them up. It's a normal part of living in a neighborhood.

I've been living in or around Avent West for the last 6 years. This area has improved tremendously in that time, but the local HOA is completely voluntary and has no authority over home owners.

The city of Raleigh was not built on HOA neighborhoods and you still won't find a non-voluntary HOA in any of the best old neighborhoods. If an HOA neighborhood appeals to you then, by all means, please go live in one. I still think you'll find that the majority of people would prefer to live in a nice neighborhood without an HOA than a nice neighborhood with one.

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 12:28 PM. Reason : s]

7/24/2007 12:25:44 PM

^dead on. HOAs don't guarantee nice neighborhoods; location and property values do. HOAs only exist to protect the initial interests of the property developer, not the homeowner. there is no way that paying membership fees to some local group in a cheaply built neighborhood is going to keep that place looking respectable.

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"My HOA fee of $40.00 per month GUARANTEES that my next door neighbor will not park 4 cars in the driveway and 4 more in the street. Also, I'll never have to worry about moving or confronting someone because of the way they painted their house. "

you're willing to pay $500 a year for that? are you going to file a complaint the first time your neighbor throws a barbeque? how about when someone has family over for the holidays?

7/24/2007 12:33:33 PM

nm

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 12:35 PM. Reason : nm]

7/24/2007 12:34:28 PM

yes there would. just look at the cheap looking apartments that surround the half-million dollar homes in Wakefield. the developer who set up the HOA pulled that shit after he'd already sold off the houses. what can they do about it now?

7/24/2007 12:36:24 PM

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"I still think you'll find that the majority of people would prefer to live in a nice neighborhood without an HOA than a nice neighborhood with one."

I would most certainly be in this majority. However, I don't live in Raleigh (I'm in Denver) and the differences between HOA vs. Non-HOA neighborhoods here is awful. Even the difference in streets in a particular non-HOA neighborhood is awful. Some streets in the same development will be complete opposites as far as paint, weeds, trash, cars depending on how long residents on one street have lived there.

7/24/2007 12:38:08 PM

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"you're willing to pay $500 a year for that? are you going to file a complaint the first time your neighbor throws a barbeque? how about when someone has family over for the holidays? "

way to take that out of context. $500 a year guarantees that my neighbor will not paint their house pink or purple, or park 4 cars in their driveway YEAR ROUND, and have 4 more broken down on the street.

When the time comes to sell my house, I want prospective buyers to see no negatives, such as broken down cars, fading or ugly paint, or 6 foot high weeds that are used as shade trees for my neighbor's above ground swimming pool in the front yard. I don't want to see that stuff in my neighborhood every day, either. So yes, I am willing to spend $500 a year to guarantee that shit doesn't happen.

7/24/2007 12:44:58 PM

if you buy a house in a decent neighborhood then that isn't an issue either.

7/24/2007 12:55:10 PM

Yeah, a few hundred a year is a small price to pay to avoid tens of thousands of dollars lost to depreciation.

7/24/2007 12:55:47 PM

^^But who's to say it won't be? I plan on staying in my home for a very long time. I don't know my neighbor's intentions, but I KNOW that if the two houses on both sides of me are rented out to 4 college students and they don't take care of the lawn, park 4 beaters in the driveway, etc., they will be dealt with. For $40 bucks a month I never have to deal with stupid shit.

^Or even the threat of depreciation. Or having my house sit on the market for 2 months longer than other houses if I decide to sell.

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 1:02 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2007 1:01:02 PM

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"and I seriously doubt your board members put as much effort into running the HOA as they claim they are. Most of them pass off all the budgeting, planning, and construction work to outside firms to handle."

well god damn, i hope they don't run a construction business. as for financial planning, i think a lot of that is done through repurchasing cds with maturing cds

i'll try to find a newsletter later and show some of the stuff they do. i know that one of those things is NOT get paid as far as most of them go, though, so its not fair to talk about them like they do nothing...

maybe for somewhere like sunsetforest HOA with like 800 member homes and millions of dollars in assets, theres a lot of shady shit going on. but around your typical small neighborhood that isnt a superdevelopment, i think they're just fine.

7/24/2007 1:06:22 PM

Jackleg, I'm referring to the fact that your HOA members don't do anything other than hire a management group that specializes in running HOAs to do all of the planning, budgeting, and constract negotiations. very few HOAs are independently operated anymore simply because very few homeowners have the time and/or are willing to devote effort to running one.

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"Yeah, a few hundred a year is a small price to pay to avoid tens of thousands of dollars lost to depreciation. "

way to exaggerate a situation to the extreme. you're not going to depreciate the value of your property by $20,000 plus dollars because of the color of your neighbors house or how many cars are in his driveway.

7/24/2007 1:47:24 PM

You could easily lose that amount from depreciation or lack of appreciation.



[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 1:50 PM. Reason : ]

7/24/2007 1:49:45 PM

a few hundred? try more like $4000

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"no, they think you rent"

is that towards me? because they most def do not. they don't allow renting for under a year at a time to keep out kids down there partying on the weekends

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 1:51 PM. Reason : ^ but yes, you could very easily]

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 1:51 PM. Reason : mine is $1200 a quarter..so make that $4800ish]

7/24/2007 1:51:01 PM

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"way to exaggerate a situation to the extreme. you're not going to depreciate the value of your property by $20,000 plus dollars because of the color of your neighbors house or how many cars are in his driveway. "

you sure can.

7/24/2007 1:52:58 PM

Wait, your HOA dues are $400 a month???

7/24/2007 1:53:04 PM

damn that's an extremely expensive HOA fee - they sure as hell better provide a lot

7/24/2007 1:54:01 PM

Mine were $380 p/m for a condo in So. Ca. You can't get a place there that doesn't have an HOA.

7/24/2007 1:55:01 PM

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"Do you even understand the concept of property values?"

All investments carry risk. Just because houses generaly appreciate doesn't mean yours will or should.

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"f you don't like HOAs or you don't like the rules or by-laws of a particular HOA, don't buy a fucking house under their jurisdiction. Noone is forcing you to live anywhere. It's your responsibility to find out what you are agreeing to by living somewhere."

Fully agreed. Just because I think HOAs suck doesn't mean I think they should be illegal.

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" I plan on staying in my home for a very long time. I don't know my neighbor's intentions, but I KNOW that if the two houses on both sides of me are rented out to 4 college students and they don't take care of the lawn, park 4 beaters in the driveway, etc., they will be dealt with."

Or don't live on Brent Road, and save yourself the hundreds a year.

7/24/2007 2:04:12 PM

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"Or don't live on Brent Road, and save yourself the hundreds a year."

that makes no sense whatsoever.

7/24/2007 2:07:42 PM

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"All investments carry risk."

Excuse me for trying to minimize risk.

7/24/2007 2:08:45 PM

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"that makes no sense whatsoever."

it makes perfect sense. if you're worried about college kids moving in next door, then don't live in a college area. why on earth would you think paying $400 a year is going to prevent that from happening if you pick a stupid location? look at all the houses on Avent Ferry near Lake Johnson and all the housing subdivisions off of Lineberry for example. They all have high homeowner association dues, yet they're still surrounded by college kids.

7/24/2007 2:46:17 PM

If you write in the HOA that the property can't be rented out for a certain period of time, that avoids the problem of all the real estate being bought up for investment properties.

7/24/2007 2:54:05 PM

I don't think the developer really cares what happens after they make their $$$

7/24/2007 2:56:07 PM

Yea, hoa fees are over $400 a month right now because of the lawsuit we had to fight.. it was over $200K in legal fees so that raised them quite a bit for now.

7/24/2007 3:05:17 PM

Even with 200K legal fees, it shouldn't be that much unless you have like 10 properties in the complex.

7/24/2007 3:08:54 PM

I honestly can't quote the increase because I wasn't there before the fees and shit were added. I think it was about a $50-100 increase per month. They do a shit ton of maintenance on all the grass landscaping but I honestly don't believe it should cost as much as it does

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 3:15 PM. Reason : I do remember the previous owner bitching about the increase so it must have been significant]

7/24/2007 3:14:46 PM

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"If you write in the HOA that the property can't be rented out for a certain period of time, that avoids the problem of all the real estate being bought up for investment properties."

there's nothing to stop a parent from outright buying the property for their kids to live in while they go to college or become bums.

7/24/2007 3:32:23 PM

If I did that as a parent I'd be damn sure the property didn't get trashed.

7/24/2007 3:35:04 PM

if you were the typical parent then Athens Drive and Thea Lane wouldn't be the cesspools of degenerate college kids that flock to the area.

7/24/2007 4:17:09 PM

If I was rich I would buy the houses on either side of most of you fuckers and convert them to section 8.

7/24/2007 6:23:29 PM

the one next to me is listed at $307,000, but I think he'd take $290,000, hehe.
BTW, Str8, thanks for the help w/ the Driftwood Manor place (you pm'ed me some info.). I sold it in two days and it will close in two weeks. You should have included a broker agreement, haha

7/24/2007 6:29:04 PM

One across from me that is a 2 bedroom sold for $299K, mine is 3 bedroom.. and I have half that in it so I'm thinking of selling and finding something else anyways. Although if I wait till the golf course opens back up the value should go up more.

7/24/2007 6:37:51 PM

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"the one next to me is listed at $307,000, but I think he'd take $290,000, hehe. BTW, Str8, thanks for the help w/ the Driftwood Manor place (you pm'ed me some info.). I sold it in two days and it will close in two weeks. You should have included a broker agreement, haha"

No problem.

If you are ever looking to buy something else around here let me know.

7/24/2007 6:47:42 PM

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"very few HOAs are independently operated anymore simply because very few homeowners have the time and/or are willing to devote effort to running one. "

Bullshit. Lots and LOTS of HOA's are run by the homeowners. Especially smaller neighborhoods.

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"Mordecai, Boylan Heights, Hayes Barton, Oakwood, and Five Points "

I live in Boylan Heights, and while the HOA may be optional, it has a LOT to do with the success of the neighborhood. They have a lot of events, keep tabs on any problems and keep the neighborhood informed of anything of interest.

Same goes for Oakwood, Moerdecai and Five Points. Without a HOA, none of these neighborhoods would have anywhere near the property values or safe, clean atmospheres they enjoy now.

7/24/2007 7:05:56 PM