P3 is all about some M3!


which backseat would you rather be in?










and what about front seat?

4/14/2007 11:03:24 AM

that s5 is too damned sexy

i think it should get the tt v-10

4/14/2007 11:08:13 AM

ha ain't gonna happen.

but surely the RS5 will get the RS4's powerplant, with maybe 10-30 extra hp.

4/14/2007 11:12:59 AM

i'd rather be in the RS4 backseat, but that is a 4 door, so of course it's a bit more comfortable, but that really have no affect on which car i'd rather own. i do like 4 doors though.

[Edited on April 14, 2007 at 11:34 AM. Reason : as]

4/14/2007 11:30:42 AM

hot all of them

4/14/2007 2:20:42 PM

Quote :

"<--- anxiously awaiting 130si or 135i, 130iMsport or whatever they call it so long as it's got >250 lbs hp and <3200 lbs and has a 3-box shape... <rant following> The whole "we can't name it the M1, there already was an M1" argument doesn't make much sense. Is anyone really going to confuse a '70's lamborghini-designed, m5 engined wedge with scooby-doo's head? (british criticism of the 1-series hatch that we won't be getting... we're getting the coupe.) "

Some news (albeit, a "report" by a mag, nothin confirmed) for you, danman!

Quote :

"Speculation: BMW M1 a spiritual successor to the original M3? BMW plans to offer a high-performance version of its U.S.-bound 1-Series coupe called the M1, according to a new report by Germany's AutoBild magazine. The car would come equipped with the same motor used in the E46 M3 and the new Z4M, the report says. The engine would deliver 343 horsepower and provide a zero to 62 mph time of 5.2 seconds. With the 1-Series coupe's design all but fully revealed by recent spy photos, it's easy to guess how an M1 might look. AutoBild's illustration shows typical "M" treatments throughout, minus an expensive carbon roof. Questionable naming Although the M1 name seems logical enough, purists would likely be angered by its use for a range-topping 1-Series. That's because it would be wearing the badge once held by BMW's mid-engine supercar, produced between 1978 and 1981. If such a vehicle is built, it will be interesting to see how BMW handles its naming."

red x? click http://www.autobild.de/projektor/galerie.php?hash=8b77437b5954a3a8dbde960c5fcfa875&medien_id=188862&artikel_id=13844

4/19/2007 1:21:54 PM

thats alot of power for a 5.2 0-62 in such a small car.

4/19/2007 2:36:40 PM

yeah don't worry about that...

didn't the E46 M3 do 0-60 mph in 4.9 or 4.8 seconds?

if so, this will do it in 4.6-4.8.

4/19/2007 2:38:51 PM

yeah that would be straight.

4/19/2007 2:45:13 PM

hey I got a crazy idea... the 7 should be renamed the 9 and allowed to get even huger and disproportionate, the 5 can be called the 7, the 3 the 5, and the 1 the 3, and the new m1 can appropriately be called the m3 again, and the m3 will be the size it's supposed to be, and the cars will all roughly have the same footprint their corrected namesakes had in 1990. only they'll all be heavier. and it'd make for a nice little poser weedout period, because anyone who wants a 5 will be thrilled that they get to say they drive a 7, and likewise for m3 drivers, who now drive the first m5 coupe in history, and the only ones who will complain are the ones buying the badge who somehow feel cheated now that their 1 year old bmw is a whole 2 "bmw nameplate digits" "less" than the same car new. It'd purify the breed both on the showroom floor and in the buyer pool.

4/20/2007 12:15:46 AM

^^^ and ^^^^

e46 m3 did 0-60 in 4.8 on the same motor in a fairly C&D comparison test:


http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/9846/comparison-test-review-audi-rs-4-quattro-vs-bmw-m3-vs-mercedes-benz-c55-amg-specs-page6.html

and had a curb weight of 3394.

the 1 series, motor for motor is supposed to be 250 lbs lighter, motor-for-motor than the e92 3-series

just to remain relatively consistent, c&D says the 335i weighs "3571-3582 lb"
http://www.caranddriver.com/carspecs/2007-bmw-3-series/bmw_3-series_coupe/4761-335i6CYLTURBO30Liter.html


but since there isn't an s54 (343 Mpower inline-6, for you model/chassis/engine-number-begrudgers) e92 (current shape 3-series), I tried to go look up the weight savings on the 335 owing to its magnesium block, since the naturally aspirated 3.0 claims to be the lightest production inline-6 of that size ever... but then I found:

"Powered by a twin-turbocharged, intercooled 3.0-liter inline six loosely based on the engine currently found in the 3 Series, the 335i’s engine is the first turbocharged gasoline BMW engine in decades. The turbo engine forgoes the aluminum-magnesium block found in the normally aspirated variants in lieu of an all-aluminum block."
http://joshinthecity.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/bmw-goes-turbo-for-the-first-time-in-decades-2007-335i-coupe/

combined with the turbo hardware, probably means the weight savings over the s54 is negligible

some engine weights (http://wheeltalk.fancal.net/?p=634), obviously not all potential 1-series, but all somewhat interesting to consider, especially the weights of the various 3.0liter iinline-sixes
year, model, code, disp, config, hp, weight in lbs
2000 BMW 330i BMW M54 3.0L DOHC I6 231 375
2005 BMW 330i BMW N52 3.0L DOHC I6 258 357
2006 BMW M5 BMW S85 5.0L DOHC V10 500 529
2007 BMW 335i BMW N54 3.0L DOHC I6 Biturbo 300 419
2005 Chevy Corvette GM LS2 6.0L OHV V8 400 443 auto
2006 Chevy Corvette Z06 GM LS7 7.0L OHV V8 505 490 458 dry

and some others:

autoblog on new m3 v8
"The aluminum and composite engine weighs only 445 lbs, 33 lbs less than the base 3-Series' inline-six. "
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/22/more-details-on-bmw-m3-powerplant/

given the weights above, maybe autoblog was comparing to the previous inline-6... or maybe someone's just has different data...

4/20/2007 9:10:34 AM

New M3 to cost between $60,000 and $65,000

http://www.leftlanenews.com/new-m3-to-cost-60000-to-65000.html

Quote :

"BMW has announced U.K. pricing for its new M3 Coupe. Starting at £50,625, the 420 horsepower sports car is priced considerably higher than its predecessor. Using the standard exchange rate between U.S. dollars and British pounds won't give us an accurate prediction of the American price, so instead we can use a number of calculations to come up with an estimate. First, we'll compare the U.K. and U.S. pricing on the new 335i convertible, whose pricing was announce just earlier this year. The 335i Cabrio is £37,895 in Britain and $49,100 in America. That's a conversion rate of plus 30 percent. If BMW uses the same exchange rate for the new M3, it would cost $65,800 in the United States. We can also look at the price of another BMW "M" car and compare conversion rates. The BMW M6 is advertised at $99,100 in America, and £82,605 in Britain. This leaves us with a conversion of plus 20 percent and an MSRP of $60,700. Next, we'll compare pricing of the M3's nearest rival, the Audi RS4. In Britain, its base price is £50,930. In America, it sells for $66,000. That's a conversion of plus 18 percent, which would make the M3 cost just $59,740. However, another automaker's pricing is not particularly useful in this way. On the other hand, it's worth pointing out that the RS4's U.K. price is nearly identical to the the M3's U.K. price. Does that mean the U.S. prices will also be identical? If so, our $65,800 estimate still sounds reasonable. Lastly we can compare the percentage increase from the old M3's price to the new one. In Britain, the old M3 cost £42,450. That means the new price is an increase of 20 percent. Again, we're back to $60,700. While we can't draw any firm conclusions, it's safe bet the new M3 will cost between $60,000 and $65,000 in the United States — a significant increase over the old M3's $48,900 price tag."

4/27/2007 10:03:15 PM

^lol.... that makes some room for profit on an M1 above the 135i....

4/29/2007 11:53:45 AM

you like?






red x's? http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_new_car.php?sid=682&page=2

5/5/2007 7:34:33 AM

Eh, not really a fan of those looks. Those Bangle side surfaces are blah

[Edited on May 6, 2007 at 7:35 PM. Reason : k]

5/6/2007 7:34:55 PM

^^

-It's certainly exciting to see a high powered tiny rwd coupe come to the US

-I'm not sure I'd want an M1 specifically like that or the way M fits with the BMW range these days.

-I think the production M1 will be less aggressive. The images you've found have neatly but too literally slapped m3 and m5 details onto the 1 series spy pics.

-If the M1 were too aggressive-looking or too similar to the m3, it would be a return to BMW's rejected "one sausage, different lengths" policy from the 90s that led to the Bangled cars.

-if there is going to be an M1, I think it will wear something similar to the 130iM body kit

-M cars lately have been suffering from a bit too much "evo"-style aggessiveness anyway. Gaping apertures do often add menace, but expanding them doesn't always improve form. (e.g. original murcielago vs. current LP640)

-I think the likely motor, the S54 from the E46 m3 and current M coupe/roadster, is now the victim of a squeeze play.

-The new N54 turbo seems to be too easy to tune to justify addtl $$$ for an M, even if they offer it

-Hartge and Vishnu and other BMW tuners (including Dinan) are getting BIG numbers out of the 335i with only computer programming (claims as high as 400hp for only a few $k's)

turner motorsport
reflash
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=TN54-ST1
LSdiff
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=100-100-00008

-until I see something that is clearly an M1 mule, I'm just hoping BMW offers the turbo inline six, since nothing is set in stone yet and we may only get the 270 hp inline-6 as it sits in the new 530i.

-If the 1 series debuts with only the 328i's 230 hp version of the inline-6, then there probably will be an M1 since that would be a 110-hp gap that could justify a $10k+ premium. If the turbo's offered, that'll probably be the next wrx if the aftermarket has the same preferences that I do!

5/6/2007 9:20:46 PM

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Video.aspx?AR=224541&page=1&Mode=B

Autocar (Chris Harris) drifting the Hartge-tuned 335i with the new LSD and computer reflash (birds UK sells Hartge products). I just read in EVO today a review of the same car. That article said the diff used was a torque sensing helical limited slip by Quaife, but the link to this video was on turnermotorsport's page, which I'm presuming isn't the same diff as the one in the car in the video, since turner's description says theirs is a clutch-type LSD. Or maybe I have confused myself.

maybe turner motorsports doesn't have theirs installed in a 335i yet and on video and they're hoping to glean some sales by illustrating that any limited slip is better than an open diff.

5/6/2007 9:50:53 PM

You like?

This is what an illustrator at AMS (Auto Motor Sport) thinks the new generation of the 5-Series will look like. To debut in 2010.

I think it looks good. Looks like a combination of the current 5-Series, with a lot of the current 3-Series in it. The bangle-butt is gone, and the flame surfacing has been cut down.

For bigger pics: http://www.automotorsport.se/article.asp?article=10307

5/8/2007 7:27:29 PM

Ja, finally another good looking 5 series from BMW (the e39 sport package cars left some big shoes to fill).
Ahmet

5/8/2007 7:54:03 PM

dude... i just saw an ad for a 5 series that looked like that labeled as "the new 5 series"

and yes it was the 5 series not the 3 because i did a double take.

5/8/2007 8:08:56 PM

That does look good. Nice.

5/9/2007 12:08:05 AM

if any of you have time...

stop by leith BMW on capital. they have a gorgeous new 550i with M-package, 19"s. it is stunning.

5/9/2007 12:13:02 AM

looks like a lexus

5/9/2007 12:29:16 AM

BMW to offer new M3 with DSG-like seven-speed gearbox

Quote :

"BMW will launch its 2008/2009 M3 coupe with an all-new seven-speed double-clutch gearbox as an alternative to the regular six-speed manual. Official confirmation comes from a memo sent to BMW dealers, according to Autocar. The gearbox will be called M DCT, and is very similar to Volkswagen's DSG transmission. A dual-clutch system features two computer-controlled clutches, making shifts both smooth and extremely quick. Simple automated manuals — such as BMW's SMG — provided quick shifts but can be jerky during tame driving. The M DCT model will likely be a few tenths of a second faster than the manual M3. The transmission is being built by Getrag. Drivers will be able to use a shift lever or paddles to change gears. The M DCT will be available on the new M3 in March 2008. BMW is likely to replace the SMG III transmission used in the M5 and M6 with a similar gearbox in the near future, possibly along with mid-cylce facelifts to the cars."

6/11/2007 1:50:58 PM

^^^or you could just look at an M5

6/11/2007 1:54:49 PM

This is great news. The M3 sedan will receive headlamps from the 3-series coupe, and not the sedan. The 3-series sedan headlamps are fugly.

Amazing shots of the M3 sedan: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67388

Unfortunately, the tail lamps are the ugly ones from the 3-series sedan.

6/20/2007 10:42:53 AM

M3 Sedan:













And its newest (aside from RS4 and IS-F) competition:

(C63 AMG)

6/26/2007 5:28:18 PM

hell, the way things are going for bmw design, i'd rather get a MB. except for the unreliability.

6/26/2007 10:45:02 PM

what kinda faggot would start a stupid fuckin thread like this?

7/5/2007 8:35:39 PM

11 PAGE ARTICLE ON THE BMW M3's HISTORY


20 Years of BMW M3

http://www.worldcarfans.com/classics.cfm/country/gcf/classicID/5070709.001/bmw/20-years-of-bmw-m3


I am sure some of y'all would appreciate it.

7/9/2007 11:36:48 PM

thanks N

7/10/2007 1:45:44 AM

You are welcome, B.

You specifically are the one who was in my mind when I made that post, as I remembered you appreciated the artcle on the new M3's engine on page 2 I posted back in March

7/10/2007 1:52:17 AM

which reminds me when are you getting one?

7/10/2007 1:57:50 AM

What, an M3?

Haha... .teachers/lecturers can't afford one

Perhaps I can get a used E46 in the next few years if I plan it right... but I have got to pay off my apartment for ~3 years, so it will be tight!

7/10/2007 2:00:56 AM

yeah real estate should always come first. believe it or not i was looking for jobs in dubai last night. unfortunately most everything is for civil/construction engineers. i wouldn't mind working there for few years, but not exactly as a waiter

7/10/2007 2:05:49 AM

yeah construction is where it is at over there... but i am sure there HAVE to be some in chem E. maybe some professional recruiters/headhunters can help you out. good luck!

7/10/2007 2:10:27 AM

SA black gold!

thanks

7/10/2007 2:12:35 AM

yup black gold!

you are welcome.

7/10/2007 2:14:32 AM

Quote :

"i was looking for jobs in dubai last night"

Quote :

"maybe some professional recruiters/headhunters can help you out kill you"

7/10/2007 10:29:07 AM

Quote :

"dubai "

7/10/2007 10:51:06 AM

I'm really getting fucking tired of cars growing bigger every new generation.

7/10/2007 12:06:31 PM

i don't mind size... its weight that pisses me off

7/10/2007 12:33:27 PM

Hi res scans of the official M3 brochure:

http://4wheelsblog.com/released/official-bmw-m3-brochure

(worth a look)

7/15/2007 8:58:53 PM

Hopefully Ill be one of the first to see one in real life on here.

7/15/2007 9:40:56 PM

9 page article on the E92 M3 Coupe:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/country/gcf/newsID/2070716.003/bmw/new-bmw-m3-coupe-e92-in-depth

With lots of new never seen before pics:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/photos.cfm/photoID/3070405.003/country/gcf/bmw/new-bmw-m3

7/17/2007 10:41:44 AM

^ like this picture?

7/17/2007 12:15:39 PM

Apparently the new M3 CSL has been spied.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070906.003/bmw-m3-csl-e92-spied-by-our-neighbors!

Quote :

"Since the new E92 M3 now incorporates the carbon-fiber roof as standard, there are still a few other subtle details which indicate this prototype is indeed the new CSL. The rear decklid has a built in “duck bill” spoiler, front bumper fascia has CFP side flaps, and the front fender “M3” grille nameplate is covered with black tape which suggest the CSL nameplate resides there instead, much like the E46 generation."

Interesting combination of wheels on it: front from the 760i, and back wheels from the 645i.

9/6/2007 9:32:12 AM

9/6/2007 3:16:33 PM

Hmmm... should I go for the new M3, or the ultimate sleeper car, the Hartge H50 V10?

Hartge H50 V10

3-Series Coupe with the M5's V10 bumped up to 550 hp.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9071109.005/hartge-h50-v10-coupe-test-drive

It can reach 200 mph. But it looks just like the 335i, save for the 4 tail pipes and the big wheels/tires. No other body mods like the M3's indicating its wicked nature.

USD 230,000.

Considering that price, perhaps I should go for the F430, Gallardo, 911 Turbo/GT2, Continental GT, etc, and still have enough change left over to buy a luxury sedan?

11/9/2007 12:02:03 PM

if i have a tricked out bmw, people will just assume i'm a pretentious prick, which i am.

if i have a conti gt, ferarri, porsche, etc... they'll assume i have money, which isn't the type of vibe i want to give off.

11/9/2007 1:44:42 PM