Quote :

"Even a murder isn't a threat to anyone until he actually murders someone"

the wisdom that this guy has...at his age...wow

murder is defined as the illegal killing of someone

3/27/2007 3:32:41 PM

well...

apparently someone that was there is saying that there was no arrests made in the "horrible house of sin and profit"

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1248484/

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 4:41 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 4:41:27 PM

I read the headline and skimmed, but it was posted on April 1st...so maybe a joke?

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2411398.ece

4/3/2007 4:04:06 PM

i doubt its a joke, it's actually not a bad idea as the current policy seems to be allowing the taliban to regain stregnth. Counterintuitive, but at this point, we have to think out of the box. For it to be truly effective, govenments would have to pretty much buy entire crops.....quotas won't work imo.

4/3/2007 4:19:10 PM

Quote :

"No judge in America is going to do more than make you pay court costs if a cop breaks up your .25/.50 game between you and 5 of your closest friends."

It's not illegal to play poker with your friends.


What IS illegal is to rake $100,000+/year from poker games while renting out warehouses and breaking all kinds of alcohol distribution laws.

Giving the people playing a ticket is kinda lame, but I mean come on its such a minor charge that it's really not a big deal. What sucks is that WRAL completely went overboard by printing their names and addresses as if they are convicted felons or something.

4/4/2007 1:48:57 AM

State409c is an idiot.

4/5/2007 1:14:38 PM

bttt by request

8/11/2007 11:41:15 PM

The drug war, for the past decade, has provided billions of dollars in aid to Colombia to help eradicate the supply of cocaine. One measure taken has been the fumigation of coca plantations with herbicides provided by our government.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N23259602.htm

Wouldn't this be somewhat akin to an anti-smoking campaign spraying chemicals over North Carolina's tobacco crops?

Quote :

"Putumayo officials and farmers acknowledge fumigation has destroyed coca, but say it also hits legal crops, drives illicit plants into remoter areas and forces residents from their plots, sometimes across the frontier. "It's a short cut. The alternative is what they call nation-building, it's a hard sell because it costs a lot and you don't see results immediately," said Adam Isacson, Colombia expert at Washington's Center for International Policy."

Quote :

"On the frontier, Colombian municipalities say they need more alternatives beyond fumigation as coca growers are replanting and keeping coca alive by pruning crops to protect them from spraying. They lose one harvest out of four or five. "It doesn't finish off the coca," San Miguel municipal agriculture chief Rodrigo Luna said."

8/12/2007 11:24:07 PM

Quote :

"One measure taken has been the fumigation of coca plantations with herbicides provided by our government."

yeah coca is actually used in S. America to chew on much like we drink coffee. The war on drugs is fucking stupid

8/13/2007 12:28:21 AM

How accurate do you think this is?

Liberals:
"The government should allow us to possess, use, and sell drugs."

Conservatives:
"The government shouldn't have the authority to ban possession, use and sale of drugs."

8/13/2007 8:09:10 AM

I can understand them not mass marketing heroin but damn.. there is really NO reason marijuana should be illegal. It has far less negatives than alcohol but the average stereotypical American hears weed and thinks it's some fucking insane terrible drug that ruins peoples life's...it's fucking horse shit. The worst part is that there are legitimate medical uses for it that can't be fully explored because of all the closed minded people

8/13/2007 1:15:42 PM

Quote :

"but the average stereotypical American hears weed and thinks it's some fucking insane terrible drug that ruins peoples life's."

but it really does do a number on the grammar of our youth.

8/13/2007 1:30:30 PM

^^^
I would say that's accurate in an idealogical sense. However, I wouldn't say that many politicians, be they Democrats or Republicans, would be very willing to openly encourage a decrease in Drug War spending.

Of course, I don't think very many politicians would be willing to encourage decreased spending on a lot of other governmental policies either. I don't know if it's an issue of losing votes or losing money, but our politicians seem to be content with the current status quo as it is.

8/13/2007 6:11:31 PM

No, it really IS illegal to play poker with your friends (if you're playing for money)

According to North Carolina's laws, something of value must be bet in order to consider it gambling. The law states, "any person or organization that operates any game of chance or any person who plays or bets on any game at which money, property or any other thing of value is bet, whether the same be in stake or not, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor."

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2005/07/north-carolina-poker-laws-challenged.htm

Now, they may not care, but it is illegal.

8/14/2007 10:11:24 AM

John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon:

Quote :

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/

3/23/2016 9:24:08 AM

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-military-strikes-drug-vessel-from-venezuela-killing-11-19661cc9?st=ThBfXh&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Can't say I'm against this...

[Edited on September 2, 2025 at 6:44 PM. Reason : Gift article]

9/2/2025 6:43:48 PM

You're not against our military blowing up a private boat in the middle of the Caribbean and killing 11 citizens just because this admin says it was a gang smuggling drugs to our county, with absolutely no evidence presented (and even if there was actual evidence, wouldn't the legal thing to do was intercept them and take them into custody. Not mass-murder 11 civilians)?

9/3/2025 9:50:52 AM

In February 2025, the U.S. Department of State officially designated the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO).

Is this any different than the droning of terrorists, which a variety of administrations have been doing for decades?

9/3/2025 5:37:41 PM

^^no, in fact I wish it had been done in a different earlier administration than this one

9/3/2025 8:03:07 PM

A former law enforcement official told the NYT the boat seemed to be carrying not drugs but *’migrants *
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/03/us/politics/hegseth-venezuela-drug-strike.html?unlocked_article_code=1.jU8._oRS.QhFYZjRo5Mb1&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Probably good policy not to kill people when you can’t even verify who they even are

9/4/2025 5:18:18 PM

^^^the other also legally questionable drone strikes at least have a congressional use of force authorization that (mostly) covers then and are (usually) in active war zones.

Are we also cool if ice just shoots kilmar abrego garcia in the head instead of deporting?

https://bsky.app/profile/rgoodlaw.bsky.social/post/3lxxlvla6vs2m

[Edited on September 4, 2025 at 6:26 PM. Reason : E]

9/4/2025 6:23:44 PM

https://www.treason.io/p/read-one-step-closer-to-bombing-civilians

Quote :

"“Admiral,” Miller asked, “the military has aerial drones, correct?” “Yes,” the Admiral answered. “And some of those drones are equipped with missiles, correct?” “Sure,” the Admiral said, beginning to catch on. Miller pressed further: “And when a boat full of migrants is in international waters, they aren’t protected by the U.S. Constitution, right?” The Admiral clarified that while technically true, international law still applied. “Then tell me why,” Miller said, “can’t we use a Predator drone to obliterate that boat?” The Admiral, a veteran of military command, was dumbfounded. “Because it would be against international law,” he replied. You can’t kill unarmed civilians just because you want to. Stephen Miller didn’t appear interested in the legal implications. Indeed, he seemed more interested in whether anyone could stop Trump from committing such acts. “Admiral,” he concluded, “I don’t think you understand the limitations of international law.”"

^much like the question I asked above

Quote :

"Think about it in a domestic context. What if your local cops decided not to arrest the pot-growing neighbors down the street? Instead, let’s say, they decided to light the house on fire, burning everyone alive. You’d be horrified, right? Because it would be a psychotic, egregious overreach."

9/22/2025 9:38:33 PM

^Did you see his speech at Kirk's funeral?

"THEY" "THEY" "THEY"

The same on Fox News

"THEY" "THEY" "THEY"

As if the Democrats orchestrated a hit on him. vile

9/22/2025 9:43:11 PM

Quote :

""Think about it in a domestic context. What if your local cops decided not to arrest the pot-growing neighbors down the street? Instead, let’s say, they decided to light the house on fire, burning everyone alive. You’d be horrified, right? Because it would be a psychotic, egregious overreach.""

That's what they do if they are religious or right wing extremists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge_standoff

9/22/2025 10:52:07 PM

...and you're OK with that?

9/23/2025 7:05:23 AM

you know that David Koresh was sexually abusing children, right?

and the Ruby Ridge thing involved white supremacists, yeah?

so your BEST argument is still defending child raping Nazis
consider some introspection - this is probably why people don't like conservatives



[Edited on September 23, 2025 at 10:00 AM. Reason : if the shoe fucking fits]

9/23/2025 9:59:49 AM

This is such a terrifying precedent. Couldn’t he, by his same standards, go after American citizens as long as they are in international waters?

[Edited on September 23, 2025 at 10:03 AM. Reason : sadf]

9/23/2025 10:02:38 AM

yes

I think the point that THEY (the cabal of wealthy people pulling the strings to these hateful puppets) are trying to communicate is that they can do anything they want and no one can stop them

9/23/2025 10:27:35 AM

^^i mean just make sure you aren’t doing anything illegal and then you’ll be fine. I’m sure the president wouldn’t lie about your association with drugs, trafficking, etc… to further his political motives

9/23/2025 10:31:16 AM

Quote :

" you know that David Koresh was sexually abusing children, right? and the Ruby Ridge thing involved white supremacists, yeah? "

So if the kids are suspected to be abused bring tanks to carelessly crush them and burn them to death?

Do you think the government should be allowed to just shoot 14 year olds when they suspect the dad is a white supremacist?

The argument was actually to not vaporize people at will because what the government deems it likes and does not like changes with the wind.

9/23/2025 11:33:38 AM

There are quite a few glaring differences in the comparisons this clown is trying to make, and he knows it. But he gets his kicks being purposefully obtuse on tww. It's best to just ignore.

9/23/2025 12:12:09 PM

^ "Islamic terror, drug traffickers, white supremacists". Pick your story on why the government can kill anyone they want and they really, really are what the government says. They never ever make mistakes and then lie about it.

9/23/2025 12:28:04 PM

Quote :

"...and you're OK with that?"

9/23/2025 12:43:48 PM

^ No

9/23/2025 12:54:41 PM

Then why post what you posted instead of saying "yea government shouldn't indiscriminately kill people"?

9/23/2025 12:56:34 PM

^ I think it's some deep assumption on my part that people here believe some kinds of state violence is ok, but others not ok. Maybe YOU PEOPLE were anti-drone strikes when Obama and Bush were murdering wedding parties, at which point, sorry. State violence without due process is always murky at best. Especially when using quotes from your neighbors in the press when they may have never met you to justify why you were blown away.

Quote :

"Games like this are notorious for getting robbed at gunpoint. If I go to a casino and put a guy on tilt with my play, I have a reasonable expectation that he doesn't have any guns on him, not so at a game like this."

Memory lane ITT. I know of 2 SWAT breakups at these games in the area and only one robbery with guns.

This was a Salon article that referenced one of the incidents in this thread years ago:
https://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/why_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/

Quote :

" In March 2007, a small army of local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. They issued forty-one citations, all of them misdemeanors. A columnist at the Fayetteville Observer remarked, “They were there to play cards, not to foment rebellion. . . . [I] wonder . . . what other minutiae, personal vices and petty crimes are occupying [the National Guard’s] time, and where they’re occupying it. . . . Until we get this sorted out, better not jaywalk. There could be a military helicopter overhead.”"

[Edited on September 23, 2025 at 1:11 PM. Reason : a]

9/23/2025 1:10:24 PM

Once again, this guy know there are glaring differences in his comparisons, yet he carries on.

9/23/2025 1:15:26 PM

^ Why do you believe everything was above board in Waco and Ruby Ridge, but not these drug boats?

9/23/2025 1:16:56 PM

Strawman
Whatabout

9/23/2025 1:31:37 PM

everybody loves re-litigating things that happened 30 years ago

9/23/2025 1:57:01 PM

Lots of things have changed in the past 30 years. I seriously doubt you could have a Waco situation today.

What if….WHAT IF, there was the slightest chance they got the wrong boat? Governments make mistakes all the time. Hell I can’t trust the IRS to get a simple tax return read correctly. We have the technology to track this boat to its destination. If that destination had been US shores, we could have been there to greet them with open arms and open handcuffs. If things escalated from that point? Fine, do what you need to do.

There’s no reason for us to go around unaliving people floating out in the ocean.

9/23/2025 2:14:24 PM

Quote :

"^ Why do you believe everything was above board in Waco and Ruby Ridge, but not these drug boats?"

I don't. Why do you assume I do? But there are glaring differences. And you know it.

And we don't even know they were drug boats. Why are you assuming they are drug boats with absolutely no evidence?


[Edited on September 23, 2025 at 2:17 PM. Reason : ]

9/23/2025 2:15:26 PM

what evidence could this government possibly supply

9/23/2025 2:31:33 PM

they have the best evidence their staff of second rate podcasters can manufacture

9/23/2025 2:35:58 PM

^^not totally sure. But they must have some evidence, right? They could start with just something. Anything. Because they've provided absolutely nothing so far (as far as I'm aware).

at the very least they could just make something-up, but they haven't even done that have they?)

[Edited on September 23, 2025 at 2:42 PM. Reason : ]

9/23/2025 2:39:53 PM

The only evidence that they could supply is something to indicate Americans were in imminent danger. But they haven't even given that as a REASON.

9/23/2025 2:45:35 PM

Unless that tiny boat was carrying a dirty bomb, they couldn’t even claim that. There was no guarantee that someone was going to ingest whatever drugs may or may not have been on that boat.

9/23/2025 2:59:13 PM

If we ever get past this, Stephen Miller should be charged with first degree murder
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/29/stephen-miller-venezuela-drug-boat-strike

10/1/2025 8:49:43 PM