If democrats and the public at large really wants to stop sexism and racism maybe its time to stop focusing on "Obama the black" and "Hillary the women". It should be about the issues, not about some race/gender's time for election. Supposing that either of them should have a better chance this time due to their race or gender is the height of hypocrisy on the left, the preported champions of womens and civil rights.

I don't really think there's much difference between them. They both are for big government and punitive taxation and the redistribution of wealth. Hillary has made many far from centrist comments even in the past year or two. Just listen to Hannity or Rush for a month and you'll hear the side you won't see on the news. She's not America's mom, she's a militant feminist/socialist that has tolerated her husbands legendary infidelity for the sole purpose of rising to power. Obama's new, who knows what he really thinks yet, its all political posturing.

2/2/2007 10:07:06 PM

^ No one is assuming they have a better chance because of their race/gender. It's mostly the media and the right pointing out the race/gender issues.

2/2/2007 11:48:39 PM

Lets go ahead and elect Barack Hussein Obama president.


Then we can turn all the toilets in the whitehouse (like the brits did for the muslim prisoners) to make sure he doesnt have to face the kiblah when he drops a nuclear turd.

2/3/2007 12:03:34 AM

^^^I frequent the Soap Box, and I haven't heard such classic tripe in a long time.

Go for some originality next time.

[Edited on February 3, 2007 at 12:04 AM. Reason : fucking arrows]

2/3/2007 12:04:26 AM

Just listen to Hannity or Rush for a month and you'll hear the side you won't see on the news.

QUALITY.

2/3/2007 12:09:21 AM

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"Just listen to Hannity or Rush for a month and you'll hear the side you won't see on the news. She's not America's mom, she's a militant feminist/socialist that has tolerated her husbands legendary infidelity for the sole purpose of rising to power."

thats embarassing.

^^^he probably goes to church more than you jackass.

2/3/2007 1:14:54 PM

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"Lets go ahead and elect Barack Hussein Obama president. Then we can turn all the toilets in the whitehouse (like the brits did for the muslim prisoners) to make sure he doesnt have to face the kiblah when he drops a nuclear turd."

Please tell me this is a joke and people arent actually believing that retarded email forward about him really being a radical muslim.

[Edited on February 3, 2007 at 2:48 PM. Reason : /]

2/3/2007 2:47:35 PM

CampusBlender had a thread on a tabloid that claimed that Obama had been a radical muslim, saying that fox picked it up and ran with the story until CNN quashed it. I didn't do anything but skim the thread, so I didn't follow up with links to verify it, but even my friends over here in tar hell country tend to think that the country isn't ready to elect a "devout muslim."

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"Barack Obama -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Junior U.S. Senator, Illinois Incumbent Assumed office January 3, 2005– Serving with Richard Durbin Preceded by Peter Fitzgerald Succeeded by Incumbent (2011) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Born August 4, 1961 Honolulu, Hawaii Political party Democratic Spouse Michelle Obama Religion United Church of Christ "

-wiki

2/3/2007 4:55:38 PM

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"thats embarassing. ^^^he probably goes to church more than you jackass."

First of all it was a Joke, and I know he is not a Muslim, he actually goes to one of the biggest christian church's in Chicago.


I just thought it would be funny, as for you calling me a jackass.... Im cool with that cause I am sometimes , but you can take your political sci degree and shove it up your know it all ass.

2/4/2007 1:11:02 AM

The problem with "the joke" is that there are people dumb enough to believe it simply by the repetition of his middle name (as Neil Boortz loves to do).

2/4/2007 1:58:28 AM

I find it funny that Obama and my Grandmother attend the same church, yet she is a member of several far-right programs (English First, a PAC that has Ann Coulter's articles in their publication, donated to Vernon Robinson). Guess it's a big tent church for nativists and liberals I enjoy UCC, tho. Good church, good people. Howard Dean is a member, too.

I don't think Obama is ready, at all. Making up a plan for Iraq and executing on issues are two very different things. He needs at least a full term in Congress, first.

[Edited on February 4, 2007 at 3:50 PM. Reason : .]

2/4/2007 3:45:18 PM

^its not too too surprising. given his absurd comments trying to paint himself as the only religious democrat ever.

2/4/2007 10:21:28 PM

the answer to the question posed by this thread is...

"NO"

2/4/2007 10:22:50 PM

Actually they have but either you just were not paying attention or did not find an answer to your liking you to claimed that none existed.

2/4/2007 10:31:42 PM

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"Thanks. I like him better than Hitlery Clinton but I don't get the hype what did he do? Of course I will vote for neither of them under any circumstance"

You sound like someone who voted for bush - not because of your beliefs but because your red neck uneducated father preached to you about how bush is a brave, US lovin' good ole' boy.

2/4/2007 10:34:59 PM

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"bush is a brave, US lovin' good ole' boy. "

Amen to that

2/5/2007 1:17:12 AM

hes an alright fellow, but I wish he wasnt being pushed as a candidate. The Democrats need/want to win this next one really bad, and despite that it makes no difference to me or a majority of democrats, America just isint ready for a black president, especially one whose last name is Obama, which is similar to Osama. Confederate flag wavers and midwestern conservatives would have a field day with this. Its just not smart to run him.

2/5/2007 1:29:59 AM

Well first off, the way you pose your question is polarizing as hell and I'm not sure whether you intentionally did that or your views have been absurdly influenced by the media and politicians.

I do not consider myself a liberal, conservative or any other either/or description. I do not claim I "like" Obama, but I am intrigued by him. One thing I thought was interesting was stumbling over this quote of his:

“I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn't make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmate's sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you'd met down at the gym, or on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl. You might just be bored, or alone. Everybody was welcome into the club of disaffection. And if the high didn't solve whatever it was that was getting you down, it could at least help you laugh at the world's ongoing folly and see through all the hypocrisy and bullshit and cheap moralism.”
*Source: Dreams from My Father, by Barack Obama, p. 87 Aug 1, 1996

Some spot on social commentary there.

2/5/2007 7:04:43 PM

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"Confederate flag wavers and midwestern conservatives would have a field day with this. Its just not smart to run him."

you mean the same conservative midwesterners who elected him to the Senate?

2/5/2007 11:15:51 PM

^Illinois is a different story. Chicago and its suburbs are probably what got him elected. Then again, look at Minnesota.

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"Amen to that"

lol, that might be funny if i didnt think this Russ character was serious.

HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN

2/6/2007 3:31:36 PM

I'd vote for edwards before obama or clinton

2/6/2007 4:08:13 PM

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"PinkandBlack: Illinois is a different story. Chicago and its suburbs are probably what got him elected. "

There's no way Chicago and its suburbs gets you to 70 percent.

2/6/2007 5:03:40 PM

I'm too lazy to read through the thread at what was said, but yeah Obama throttled Keyes pretty much everywhere:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/IL/S/01/map.html

2/6/2007 5:29:31 PM

^^yeah, actually, now that i think about it, the midwest is nothing like the south or any other region. "midwest rednecks" have more ties to organized labor, for one.

[Edited on February 6, 2007 at 5:38 PM. Reason : .]

2/6/2007 5:35:44 PM