Now we've just got to find a way to get Bennerman out of the lineup, he was killing us out there tonite!

12/18/2005 7:59:10 PM

^i only saw the last 10 minutes of the second half but i did see him hit a sweet 3-pointer...
other than that he didn't do anything?

12/18/2005 8:03:36 PM

^^I know! How dare he make all his 3-pters and all his free throw attempts! We won't accept such mediocrity.

[Edited on December 18, 2005 at 8:04 PM. Reason : .]

12/18/2005 8:03:51 PM

he's been the key to our success in the ACC tournament his freshman/junior year...

but theres a rule that we're supposed to bench him for the entire regular season just so we can stay on the bubble watch...


this is really gay, if we keep playing him we are gonna accidentally win regular season games too

12/18/2005 8:08:58 PM

I think we've actually got him starting now.

12/18/2005 8:12:52 PM

oh god, we might win games and have to keep herb.

12/18/2005 8:13:39 PM

^^ Imagine that, it only took 3.5 years for Herb to figure out he's one of our best players!!!!!!

Steep learning curve I guess

12/18/2005 8:15:57 PM

hey, it's 3.25 years man. get that straight.

[Edited on December 18, 2005 at 8:18 PM. Reason : .]

12/18/2005 8:18:09 PM

Since we lost to Iowa, the starters have been:

Evtimov
Bennerman
Atsur
Bethel
Simmons

I'm very glad to see Bennerman get the start over Grant.

12/18/2005 8:19:02 PM

SOOOOO BORING

GAH with all the cuts and the fast breaks and blocks and shit


BORING AS HELL STATE


80+ points! GAH SNORE FEST




suck it down you haters

12/18/2005 8:28:12 PM

im just glad brackman isnt starting
he always performs better coming off the bench

12/18/2005 8:30:59 PM

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"I know! How dare he make all his 3-pters and all his free throw attempts! We won't accept such mediocrity"

and almost be perfect from the field too.

12/18/2005 8:31:59 PM

four players averaging double figures vs one last season

should at least be able to make sweet sixteen again

12/18/2005 8:33:37 PM

Man it was a real sleeper at the game, that damn Prinncettoeeennn Offenccee reeaallly pisses me off. I hate watching games when we only score 81 pts. We should be scorin 100 a game like unc or murrrland.... FIRE HERB

/sarcasm

12/18/2005 8:45:03 PM

our fans belong at a school for special people

12/18/2005 8:46:29 PM

lol.

we look reallllllllllly good when we make shots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and A+ for Ced, 8 pts, 7 blocks, 9 rebounds = solid

12/18/2005 8:49:54 PM

Status on bethel?

12/18/2005 8:54:36 PM

cramps, should be over it by tonight

12/18/2005 8:56:00 PM

sweet

he had a hell of a game

Go TEAM!

12/18/2005 8:56:24 PM

its always someone different that steps up when we win. that is what makes it so great.

12/18/2005 9:04:03 PM

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"cramps, should be over it by tonight"

they need to do something different with stretching him or keeping him hydrated. he's gotten cramps in like the last 2, maybe 3

12/18/2005 9:06:06 PM

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"and A+ for Ced"

i say C+ for Ced
im not sure how he had that many blocks. i was sitting front row and would never have guessed that

but for a starting center he should also have more than 8pts
every time he catches the ball he goes down with it and tries to bring it back up
the best centers in the game keep the ball high and take it strong at the hoop....Ced does not do that
so he did not have a bad game today, but he still did not play to his full potential

12/18/2005 9:16:36 PM

he got fouled on most of his under the basket possessions, and i knew he had that many blocks, i was thinkin at least 5 before the half but 6 was impressive

he did a good job, really opened up the arc shot

12/18/2005 9:20:34 PM

simmons still isn't making power moves. that one time he got the travel 1 on 1, he should have just turned and threw it down. he let the other guy force him into a travel. he doesnt know how to use a big man's most important weapon -- his ass -- to create the space he needs.

Also, wtf is up with bricking it off the backboard? he's got to make that shot and the 3 point play. Then he will be where e and s williams are.

12/18/2005 10:33:57 PM

i knew we won when i didnt see this at 15 pages

12/18/2005 10:41:41 PM

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"SOOOOO BORING GAH with all the cuts and the fast breaks and blocks and shit BORING AS HELL STATE 80+ points! GAH SNORE FEST "

[Edited on December 18, 2005 at 11:03 PM. Reason : ]

12/18/2005 11:02:42 PM

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"SNORE FEST"

haha

12/18/2005 11:10:08 PM

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"i knew we won when i didnt see this at 15 pages"

Haha good call.

12/18/2005 11:57:29 PM

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"^^ Imagine that, it only took 3.5 years for Herb to figure out he's one of our best players!!!!!! Steep learning curve I guess "

Cam flat out sucked on D. D is very, very important for us.

12/19/2005 12:10:44 AM

^ that is a rumor that Herb makes up with players like Cam, Scooter, etc that he doesnt want to play.


If Cam sucks on D then why when the season is on the line does he always go back to Cam.


Examples:

ACC tourney in '03 when we beat GT and #1 Wake.... and we blew a 50 point lead to Redick.

ACC tourney last year when we beat some crappy teams and then UNC-Charlotte and UConn



[Edited on December 19, 2005 at 12:16 AM. Reason : a]

12/19/2005 12:15:57 AM

because he is the most atheletic and big play prone on the team

along with that though comes turnovers and him tryin too hard to impress people and a lack of D, Diaz got by him a tonnnn of times tonight when he shouldnt have

the kid can rebound and dunk though

12/19/2005 12:20:13 AM

Scooter admitted that his D sucked and that was the reason he wasn't playing much his first 2 years. Its not a myth, Herb sits guys if they don't play tight, aggressive D. We've held teams to some very low FG %'s over the past few years.

Now that we've got some shot blockers and rebounders, our D is gonna be downright nasty this year.

[Edited on December 19, 2005 at 12:24 AM. Reason : 3]

12/19/2005 12:24:23 AM

Listen if Herb only likes great defensive players then explain to me why Ilian Evtimov has been roaming the court the last five years.

He got burned about 26 times tonight which brings him to a total of 471,673 for his career by my count.

All I'm saying is that Cam usually doesnt play during the regular season and we usually lose a lot of games during the regular season.

Coincidentally, Cam plays a lot during the postseason and we tend to win a lot of games in the postseason.

12/19/2005 12:24:59 AM

Cam played Diaz better than Atsur did. Atsur got lucky Diaz wasn't on for the early part of the night. Why put a slow white boy on their fastest and best player? Cam is stepping up this year like I always thought he could.

12/19/2005 12:25:14 AM

Atsur leads the team in steals. He's not that slow.

12/19/2005 12:29:52 AM

Bethel is by far our best on the ball defender. Why was he not on Diaz?


BTW, Diaz has to be the most out of control player I have seen in a while. I have no idea how some of that bullshit he throws up goes in, but it does. Hell half the time I dont know how he even gets the shot off. Maybe he's just that good, who knows.

12/19/2005 12:33:59 AM

Atsur played Diaz great for about 15 minutes. I didn't see the replay, but I thought Diaz didn't really airball that shot, Atsur was going for the block while Diaz was just starting his jumpshot.

Atsur got into trouble once Miami went to the spread offense and decided to just use dribble penetration. I still think we should have gone with a box and 1 in the second half... Stick Bennerman or Grant on Diaz and pack the rest into a zone.

12/19/2005 12:34:41 AM

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"i say C+ for Ced im not sure how he had that many blocks. i was sitting front row and would never have guessed that but for a starting center he should also have more than 8pts every time he catches the ball he goes down with it and tries to bring it back up the best centers in the game keep the ball high and take it strong at the hoop....Ced does not do that so he did not have a bad game today, but he still did not play to his full potential"

C+ might be a little low. But def not higher than a B+. Had a decent game but should def have more than 8 pts. There were at least 3, maybe 4 or 5 shots that he should made. He just kinda threw it up there in the general direction of the hoop. Not so much like he was trying to get it in the hoop. And how many times this season have we seen him go for the dunk and have it bounce off the back of the rim 20 ft in the air?

I think the future can be good for him, especially since he is just a Sophomore. But he def needs some work.

12/19/2005 12:35:52 AM

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"Listen if Herb only likes great defensive players then explain to me why Ilian Evtimov has been roaming the court the last five years. He got burned about 26 times tonight which brings him to a total of 471,673 for his career by my count. All I'm saying is that Cam usually doesnt play during the regular season and we usually lose a lot of games during the regular season. Coincidentally, Cam plays a lot during the postseason and we tend to win a lot of games in the postseason."

Evtimov actually has been praised for his great D on centers that are much bigger than him.

Cam struggled playing D up top early in his career (hell, and you say Evtimov gets burned). Over time he's gotten better at it and definitely over the course of the season. If Cam had been more consistent then he would have gotten more time but he seemed to see saw far too much, and when combined with his poor D early on he wasn't going to get the play time over the other players.

12/19/2005 12:39:13 AM

this is great

cam should have been guarding diaz
no atsur should have been guarding diaz
no bethel should have been guarding diaz


The correct answer was already stated above. Atsur did well until miami took 3 years to figure out that they should clear out and let diaz beat him 1 on 1. That's when an adjustment should have been made. Atsur is our best defender. He might not win a footrace, but he is quick when it counts

12/19/2005 1:08:16 AM

You know what is funny? Atsur fouled out tonight.

That mofo may have had 2 fouls the whole game. Of his last two fouls, one was a clean strip, and the other one was a bullshit touch foul. He's one of the best defenders in the ACC even though he's slow, and he got shitted on by the refs.

Just thought I'd let you all know thx.

[Edited on December 19, 2005 at 1:23 AM. Reason : yeah shat, before the grammar police get their panties up in a bunch. ]

12/19/2005 1:22:00 AM

Anyone know why Costner hasn't dressed out for the last two games?

12/19/2005 10:10:40 AM

fracture

12/19/2005 10:19:17 AM

^^He hasnt played last 3 games going back to the Appalachian game, but yeah it would be nice to see him come back and at least be in there with the team.

12/19/2005 10:25:03 AM

I know it's been quoted once already, but hahahahahahahaha

Quote :

"i knew we won when i didnt see this at 15 pages"

hahahahaha

12/19/2005 10:26:06 AM

I didnt get to see the very end of the game, i had to leave when we were up by 8 i think it was.

Grant just makes me nervous when he tries to drive the ball. He doesnt appear to be in control a lot of the times and I dont think he is very good at making space without being called for a foul. Add to this the fact that he seems to have issues finishing close to the basket and I think he needs a lot of work.

I would much rather see bethel or cam penetrating than grant. I would rather see grant post up against a smaller player and let him just shoot over him.

Ced is doing great, but he is still a bit soft. He needs to attack the hoop when he is in that close and definately needs to work on finishing plays when he is fouled. I saw at least 3 plays where it appeared, at least to me, he could have gotten a bucket when he was fouled, he just didnt have the ability to put it in. He and Brack were representing on the blocks though, a couple of them got me out of my seat. Having that ability down low definately makes us able to play tighter D on the perimeter.

I was also very pleased that there weren't many posessions where we had all but 1 guy outside of the 3 point line just passing the ball around for 20 seconds. They moved very fluid tonight and the box score shows that the ball was shared very well.

Miami is a solid opponent with obvious talent at guard and ability down low. I was impressed with our ability to shut their game down and hold them to a poor % tonight. I am interested in seeing how the team can continue this through ACC play, and especially against Alabama coming up.

12/19/2005 10:51:13 AM

Cedric is going to learn how to throw it down when he's in the paint - then he'll be nasty.
His timing on blocks is the best I've seen in a sophmore (definitely better than Duncan as a soph.)
He has a great instinct for rebounding - and can make some good passes.
Once he's more comfortable in his offensive role he's going to be even more fun to watch.

12/19/2005 11:13:59 AM

as long as ced can learn to take it up strong and also use his size to back his man far enough back to get an easy 2 he will be a MAJOR FORCE down low on offense.

also, there were a couple of times last night he was careless dribbling down low(dribbling too far away from his body) and he got stripped, he could work on that too.

otherwise, 7 blocks!?!?!? If he got credit for every block so far this year, it would probably already be most big men's career blocks for a season.

12/19/2005 11:41:23 AM

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"I would much rather see bethel or cam penetrating than grant. "

maybe bethel, but Cam is just as bad as Grant. Sure, Cam can finish a little better, but he's ten times more likely to get a travel.

Only problem with Grant is he shoots it when he's got nothing sometimes, and he looks like his hands are made of concrete when he dribbles. Other than that, he makes some good passes down low to Ced and he gets fouled a lot, so that is a plus.


To be honest with you I want to see Bethel shoot twice as much as he does in a game. He needed to start driving to the basket last night after he hit those threes when the D came out on him.

[Edited on December 19, 2005 at 11:55 AM. Reason : ]

12/19/2005 11:52:44 AM

anyone that saw it on tv, who did they interview in the second half

12/19/2005 5:31:41 PM