I like reggie, but he really isnt very good at runningback. He doesnt find holes very well and he's big, so he cant fit through the tiny spaces our O-line creates anyway. I'm kinda surprised he doesnt try to take some snaps at FB. He could still get some handoffs on some misdirectin plays and he would probably be a beast blocker/pass protector. I wish he would just so the kid could get some PT...he deserves it.

12/15/2005 1:10:30 PM

we dont use a full back

God dammit wish we did

12/15/2005 1:23:24 PM

we do use a fullback...he's just a 280 lb tight end that gets off from blocking (he said in an interview he really likes blocking for our backs). Good for rb running plays, bad for misdirections and fullback handoffs.

12/15/2005 1:29:46 PM

We'll use a FB when Hickman gets here.

12/15/2005 1:59:30 PM

Saw this article on Washington today. Wonder why chuck won't let him transfer to UF or even like USF. I'm thinking the UF part is because of the FSU-UF rivarly and the love for Bowden, but I'm not sure. I don't see why he couldn't transfer to USF or UCF?

http://www.newsobserver.com/752/story/378465.html

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"Pack RB eyes schools Amato won't allow move to Fla. school Washington is back home in Miami. Lorenzo Perez, Staff Writer N.C. State running back Bobby Washington is exploring the possibility of transferring to Michigan State, Arizona State or one of "a couple other schools," the father of the Wolfpack sophomore said Thursday. Joseph Mortimer also said his son, a once highly recruited player and Parade All-America at Miami's Killian High, had hoped that Florida would be a transfer option, but State coach Chuck Amato will not grant Washington a release to transfer there. Without that release, under NCAA rules, Washington would not be able to receive scholarship aid for one year at another school, in addition to not being able to play that year. Amato was unavailable for comment Thursday. Washington already has left the team and returned home to Miami. He will not travel with State to Charlotte for the Wolfpack's Dec. 31 Meineke Car Care Bowl game. After initially signing with Miami, Washington enrolled at State after Miami raised questions about his board scores. Washington started one game as a freshman and earned the offense's most valuable performer award in spring practice this year. But Washington played only a few snaps on offense this fall, and by the end of the season, Washington had switched to the secondary. He was used in late games as an extra defensive back on passing games. "He told my wife that Bobby would get a lot of playing time this year, and he didn't get diddly," Mortimer said of Amato. "I don't know. Evidently, you have to be a running back from North Carolina to run in that backfield." Some fumbles in preseason practice did not boost Washington's stock this summer, and adapting to new offensive coordinator Marc Trestman's terminology and blocking assignments also made for a steep learning curve. Washington fell behind sophomore Darrell Blackman of Williamsport, Pa., and freshmen Toney Baker and Andre Brown, both graduates of North Carolina high schools, on the depth chart. After State's Nov. 19 home win over Middle Tennessee, however, Washington assured reporters that he could be happy playing at safety. "I'm going to make this my home," he said then. "I'm very comfortable around this group of guys. I'm going to stay with them." "

12/16/2005 12:34:45 PM

i'm thinking its because he recruits florida and doesn't want washington ruining his credibility

12/16/2005 12:43:30 PM

^ same here



Just about everyone that visits us from Florida, also visits UF.


With Doc already recruiting negatively against us, we can't afford a tag team of Bobby and Doc. It's better to keep him out of Florida. Not necessarily the right thing to do, but it will benefit us

12/16/2005 12:44:50 PM

Like bad word can't spread over the text messages those guys send instead of doing their coursework in study hall. Regardless where he plays, he can badmouth us. Doesn't make a damned bit of a difference.

12/16/2005 12:48:47 PM

It's a lot harder to badmouth us to Florida prospects from Michigan State than it is from UF

12/16/2005 12:53:02 PM

My point is he's going to do it, regardless. If you saw how much he talks to those guys, you might understand.

12/16/2005 12:57:40 PM

to what guys? the ones from his HS?

12/16/2005 12:59:17 PM

I realize that, and I see your point.


Problem is he really only has connections through Killian and his other friends that play for UF, FSU, Miami, and NC State.

98% of the kids who visit both NC State and UF, he doesn't know... so he cant call them and talk shit.

If he was at UF (USF, UCF, etc.).... he'd meet every one of them. Not so with Michigan State or Arizona State.

He's gonna badmouth us either way... but at least by him staying away from UF, he can't do it nearly as much.

I wonder if UF would even offer him? They're approaching the 25 limit, and I'd imagine they have enough kids to fill up all scholarships. My guess is that they wouldn't take him

12/16/2005 1:00:44 PM

Quote :

"With Doc already recruiting negatively against us,"

what?

12/16/2005 1:01:46 PM

He has no argument for playing time when Brown and Baker tore it up, however if you are a runningback i don't see the enjoyment of playing secondary. I suppose for all purposes Washington sees himself as an NFL caliper runningback, but he can't win the starting position over brown, baker or blackman. I hope Chuck does keep him out of Fla. however we will be badmouthed no matter what.

But since he isn't travelling with the team to Charlotte i hope Chuck tries to screw him over as much as possible.

12/16/2005 1:04:01 PM

I think playing in the secondary would be pretty f'n awesome. Especially when you get the shot to just light someone's ass up when they're not expecting it. However, being put on an island by yourself would be no fun, cause then you get showcased.

Best of luck to him, though. He's a hilarious guy. Maybe the western states would be a nice change of scenery for him.

12/16/2005 1:06:21 PM

There have been "rumors" of Doc steering kids clear of NC State....


There was a comment recently by a Florida safety saying "NC State was really nice... it wasn't as bad as everyone had told me" (Paraphrased, but I'm at work and dont have time to look it up)


A lot of folks are convinced it's Doc saying this stuff. There's a definite rift between he and Amato with the way he left.

Quote :

"I think playing in the secondary would be pretty f'n awesome. Especially when you get the shot to just light someone's ass up when they're not expecting it."

I agree...safety is the best position on the field. Your job is to blindside people and take their heads off.


If Bobby can't hold onto the ball, he's not going to be a RB anywhere. He has perfect measurables for a safety....



[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 1:08 PM. Reason : adfas]

12/16/2005 1:06:29 PM

caliber

12/16/2005 1:09:33 PM

thanks, caliber

12/16/2005 1:47:18 PM

Quote :

""He told my wife that Bobby would get a lot of playing time this year, and he didn't get diddly," Mortimer said of Amato. "I don't know. Evidently, you have to be a running back from North Carolina to run in that backfield." "

Fucking jealous bastard. There is no way that he can aruge that Bobby is better than TB and AB. Both of them were ranked higher than he was out of high school right? Andre was 10 and Toney was 2...or was andre higher? Plus, knock on wood, but Andre hasnt fumbled the ball yet. That stupid fucker needs to keep his mouth shut. If this is how Bobby feels about it, then he can get the fuck out of here and kiss my ass on his way.

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ]

12/16/2005 4:56:31 PM

i wouldn't go that far (bobby was pretty highly rated), but i would say:

if bobby was better at his job, he wouldn't have lost it

12/16/2005 5:12:29 PM

go how far?

All I'm saying is that he had his chance, and someone better came in and took it, exactly what you said. Rankings out of high school are bullshit, but if he's gonna be a bitch and say "well I was god comming out of high school I deserve to play", then he needs to think about the players that have beaten him for the job...they were ranked higher.

Sorry, I just think its bullshit that his parents are now taking shots at the school/coaching staff like there is a north carolina bias. I mean fuck yeah we want more recruits to come from NC so they dont go to that other school, but I dont think this was done to spite him, which is what he is making it sound like....or at least his parents are. Fuck that.

12/16/2005 5:36:43 PM

i sure do know our turnover rate this year got a lotttttttt smaller when we put Andre and Stone in

and thats why they stayed there

12/16/2005 5:40:37 PM

yea i wish thered be less of these interviews and press conferences or whatever they do


and more class in handling the situation


in other words, the grown ups should feel obliged to stay out of it and let the kid find a team that fits him, i dont knock him for leaving the team, who knows he could be the one cog that we dont need, or it could be the move that gets him on track for the rest of his life

but the back and forth needs to stop

12/16/2005 5:41:22 PM

Yeah

Stone threw a few more picks than I would have liked to see, but with the exception of the one right before halftime at BC, none of them were momentum killers, which is when Davis and others liked to give the ball away.

12/16/2005 5:42:54 PM

Quote :

"Both of them were ranked higher than he was out of high school right?"

Nope... Bobby is our highest rated back (Tied with Baker).


Scout.com (From my memory)

Bobby - #4 (Started out #2... was sure he was #2.... but it says now he was #4.. probably becuase he signed with NC State)


Toney - #4
Blackmon - #9 (Before Hargrave, then he dropped to 17)
Andre - #10 (Again, before he went to Hargrave, then he dropped to 20 for some reason)
Reggie Davis - #11



[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 5:55 PM. Reason : adsfad]

12/16/2005 5:47:42 PM

diddly

12/16/2005 5:55:07 PM

I wish the best for the kid but the fact of the matter is he wasn't very good.

He wasn't that fast, elusive, or good at breaking tackles.

He didn't run hard and on top of that apparentally he had fumbilitis.


He's an average college back and I don't expect him to do great things anywhere he goes.

If he's looking for playing time tell him to check out a mid major conference.

12/16/2005 5:55:59 PM

I personally think Bobby will be very very good. He just thought he would start from day 1, and he's not.


He's fast as shit and can cut like a madman, he's just no patient enough to follow blockers (Reminds me of when Portis first got into Gibbs' system....) and he runs sideline-to-sideline too much. Oh, and he fumbles.

I think the kid could have been a playmaker at safety. I think he'll still be a very good RB in a year or so

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 5:59 PM. Reason : dafdsa]

12/16/2005 5:58:30 PM

he doesnt run hard and he's indecisive

thats what i took away from the 30 carries or so that I saw...

his yards per carry is flat out anemic.

12/16/2005 6:04:37 PM

I still think he can develop into a solid runner.

I really wish we could have gotten him in a position to utilize his speed.. he's not a between-the-tackles runner, and he fucks around too much when running swings.


I think he really could have been something at slot... and also be a very very good safety





[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 6:07 PM. Reason : could have]

12/16/2005 6:06:54 PM

FUMBLES

12/17/2005 8:51:04 AM

this shit about doc recruiting negatively needs to stop, I know doc and he still likes Chuck and NC State.Don't assume just because he isn't putting the positive word in for state that he is putting the negative one in. Its not like alot of these kids are going into recruiting with NC State their top school

12/17/2005 10:14:28 AM

http://ncstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=492036

Quote :

"Did you give him a release from his scholarship? I've released him – I told him I would release him for schools and that there would be some schools I would not release him to. Can you say which ones? His father said Florida. I did not release him to Florida. I'm not going to release him to anybody we play or anybody that's spent money to recruit one of my players…"

I have no idea what that means...

12/17/2005 10:19:40 AM

Quote :

"I'm not going to release him to anybody we play"

I thought there was an NCAA rule preventing playing from transfering to teams on their former school's schedule.

12/17/2005 10:32:04 AM

I think its NCAA rules to release a player in conference, but its coaches decision about teams on the future schedule.

Quote :

"I did not release him to Florida. I'm not going to release him to anybody we play or anybody that's spent money to recruit one of my players…""

This is what they were talking about earlier in the thread. Chuck doesn't wanting him going to a school that recruits heavily against NC State so that we dont get a bad image/ bad word of mouth from former players. I dont necessarily agree with this, but the situation with his parents is really sketchy, so if bobby thinks the same thing his parents do then it is really the best decision.

12/17/2005 11:47:27 AM

Bobby doesn't have anything against us from what I've heard. It's his parents that are so pissed off about this whole situation. Bobby was happy in Raleigh, but his parents (see the Gerald Wilkins fiasco) was the primary reason he's gone.

12/17/2005 11:56:01 AM

Im pretty sure you can transfer within conference if the coach releases you...

I think you have to sit out two years though.


Someone needs to back me up on this one though, I might be dreaming.

12/17/2005 1:08:03 PM

A coaches release means you sit out 1 year and you can immediately obtain a scholarship at another shool.


ACC (And every other conference) prevent inter-conference transferring. You can transfer to another conference school, but it's treated as an "unreleased" transfer... so you have to sit out 2 years. So rally, you are right. It is a 2 year wait if you transfer within the conference..... but there'd be no coaches release signed.

If you transfer anywhere without a release, it's a 2 year waiting period per NCAA rules (Which is stupid). If you decide to do an unreleased transfer (For instance, if Bobby wanted to go to Florida (Coach wont sign release) or Miami (ACC).... he would be without a scholarship next year at any school per NCAA rules....and still would have to sit out an extra year after he's gotten a scholarship.

In other words, if he goes to a "no-no" school... not only will he have to sit out 2 years, he also won't be able receive scholarship funds until 1 year after he's transferred...which is exactly why Brent Shaeffer went the JUCO route instead of opening his recruitment after leaving Tenn.



[Edited on December 17, 2005 at 1:31 PM. Reason : adsfsa]

12/17/2005 1:26:02 PM

Does sitting out burn a year of eligibility?

12/17/2005 2:06:14 PM

yes


he would lose 2 years of eligibility (he could redshirt one)

12/17/2005 2:07:25 PM

Bobby Washington fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The first is never get involved in a land war in Asia. The second, only slightly less well known, is this: never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha

12/17/2005 2:08:17 PM

Whats the latest on Poppy Washington?

1/30/2006 10:15:00 PM

i've heard arizona, michigan state, eastern kentucky, and south florida.

so he'll probably end up somewhere else.

would be cool if he transferred to App and came to Carter Finley next year.

1/30/2006 11:13:30 PM

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/493258.html

Powerhouse EKU BITCHES

2/6/2006 3:14:21 PM

BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA

WORST. CAREER. MOVE. EVER.

2/6/2006 3:20:50 PM

he wants to play RB

no chance to do that at NC State

follow your dream bobby, we hope you run for 5000 yds next year!

2/6/2006 3:23:24 PM

gets to play immeditely

2/6/2006 3:23:34 PM

maybe not

instead of being the second man in Rome, he'll actually get some PT

2/6/2006 3:23:59 PM

Quote :

"gets to play immeditely"

at a place no one will ever care about.

I'm not even arguing this; we'll never see this guy as more than some 4th string bencher in the NFL, and *THAT'S* being very generous...no NFL scout looks at EKU

2/6/2006 3:26:49 PM

Man to go from Miami to NC State to Eastern Kentucky is bad sign. He fell about as fast as Buster Douglas. I bet the coaches at EKU are shitting and pissing themselves at the thought of having him dominate for a couple of years (assuming he can learn not to fumble).




[Edited on February 6, 2006 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ing]

2/6/2006 3:29:59 PM