Quote :

"`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that-- `(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; `(B) appear to be intended-- `(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; `(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or `(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and `(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'. "

This definition of "domestic terrorism" in Section 802 of "Patriot Act I" is very broad. Almost any crime can be considered to "appear to be intended to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

"Patriot Act I" was widely criticized by civil libertarian organizations (including the ACLU) and constitutional scholars. The same can be said of "Patriot Act II".

Here is what just one such civil libertarian has to say:

Quote :

"According to an analysis by Nancy Chang, a senior litigation attorney for the Center for Constitutional Rights, the Patriot Act grants vast new powers to the executive branch with almost no oversight by Congress or the judiciary. Chang writes that the Patriot Act threatens the rights of assembly and freedom of speech "by creating a broad new crime of 'domestic terrorism.'" Such crimes only have to "appear to be intended to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion," the law reads. It remains to be seen how far that will go in terms of criminalizing political dissent. Says Chang, even non-violent protest might fall under the act. Environmental, anti-globalization and anti-abortion activists "who use direct action to further their political agendas are particularly vulnerable to prosecution as 'domestic terrorists.'" Perhaps the main assault is on the right to privacy through granting, according to Chang, "largely unchecked surveillance powers, including the enhanced ability to track email and Internet usage, conduct sneak-and-peek searches, obtain sensitive personal records, monitor financial transactions and conduct nationwide roving wiretaps." All of this can occur based not on probable cause, but on the less onerous reasonable cause. And it knocks down the wall between criminal and intelligence actions and thus "opens the door to a resurgence of domestic spying by the Central Intelligence Agency." http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3000.html"

[Edited on March 14, 2004 at 12:52 PM. Reason : ..]

3/14/2004 12:40:51 PM

Horay for siippery slope arguments and stawmen.

Remember, appear to be intended has to be proven. As in you have to show intent to intimidate.

second the strawman of your ALCU advocate:

Quote :

"Says Chang, even non-violent protest might fall under the act. "

This would be wrong because it fails condition A of 802.4

Quote :

"Environmental, anti-globalization and anti-abortion activists "who use direct action to further their political agendas are particularly vulnerable to prosecution as 'domestic terrorists.'" "

Provided nothing they do is dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; there would be no problem as again it fails part A

And on suvielence and wiretaps:

http://www.thebaka.com/rants/patriot

3/14/2004 10:02:37 PM

Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse, has written a book on the globalist conspiracy called "A Culture of Conspiracy" and recently appeared on C-SPAN and discussed his book. Barkun discusses the Illuminati, Skull & Bones, the Bohemian Grove, and Alex Jones is discussed extensively (by callers, by the host, and by Barkun).

I haven't read his book, but from the program it seems clear that he is promoting the idea that the globalist conspiracy (and all conspiracies of this sort) are not believable because they can be "explained away" as merely "people's psychological need to explain seemingly inexplainable events." It is clear from the program that he is promoting the government's official story on 9/11.

Apparantly, the truth is getting out more and the elite feel they now can't ignore it and must now put their spin on it.

It is also interesting to note that a sizeable number of the callers seem to believe that the globalist conspiracy (and other related conspiracies) do exist.


The C-SPAN program can be seen here:

-------------->http://www.infowars.com/alex_cspan_bg.htm<-------------------



[Edited on March 15, 2004 at 12:04 AM. Reason : ..]

3/14/2004 11:51:01 PM

Quote :

"I haven't read his book"

And so you feel you are qualified to have any intelligent dicussion on the book, it's points or what evidence he provides because.....?

As you say, if you aren't willing ot look at the evidence, you're just sticking your head in the sand and hoping it will go away.

Quote :

"It is also interesting to note that a sizeable number of the callers seem to believe that the globalist conspiracy (and other related conspiracies) do exist. "

And 8 out of 10 people couldn't tell you what the 3rd planet from the sun is or how many moons it has. Here's a hint people on the whole are fucking idiots, if you need prrof of this, please investigate your mirror.

3/15/2004 12:06:40 AM

how can a professor be considered one of the elite class? My godfather is one of the top Political Science professors in the nation (Tenure at Duke and Arizona), is published constantly, and barely makes six figures. He's at the top of his salary range and doesn't come close to what lawyers and junior management at fortune 500 companies make.

your delusions are getting worse

3/16/2004 5:49:24 AM

In the following 8 minute video, Alex Jones documents that they are now requiring people to hand scan in order to get into Sea World in San Antonio. The employees at Sea World admit in the video that they are using the biometric hand-scanners "because of Homeland Security." This biometric technology is being implemented in other places in the U.S., including at grocery stores, public schools, and banks. The Federal government plans in the future to require everyone to be hand-scanned or face-scanned in order to buy anything.

video:
----------->http://www.prisonplanet.tv/video/biometric_seaworld.WMV<--------------


http://www.infowars.com/print/bb/seaworld.htm


[Edited on March 16, 2004 at 10:20 PM. Reason : ..]

3/16/2004 10:07:19 PM

Article from the Wall Street Journal reports on the military's increased role in domestic law enforcement since 9-11-01:

Quote :

"Is Military Creeping Into Domestic Law Enforcement? By Robert Block and Gary Fields IN A LITTLE-NOTICED side effect of the war on terrorism, the military is edging toward a sensitive area that has been off-limits to it historically: domestic intelligence gathering and law enforcement. ...Historically, Americans haven't trusted the military to do domestic police work. The 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, passed in response to abuses by federal troops in the South after the Civil War, prohibits the use of the military "to execute the laws" of the U.S. That's been widely interpreted as a ban on searching, arresting or spying on U.S. civilians by federal troops. ...After the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House sought to further loosen restrictions to allow the military to take on a new domestic-security role. It has mostly been rebuffed. In May the House refused to approve a White House-backed proposal to give the Central Intelligence Agency and the military authority to scrutinize personal and business records of U.S. citizens. And the Senate last year blocked funding for a Pentagon project known as the Total Information Awareness program, which was supposed to collect a vast array of information on individuals, including medical, employment and credit-card histories. The issue of an expanding military role in domestic affairs also surfaced last year with the Pentagon's creation of the Northern Command, or Northcom, based in Colorado Springs, Colo. The new command, the first such military command designed to protect the U.S. homeland from a terrorist attack, has responsibility for the U.S, Canada, Mexico, portions of the Caribbean and U.S. coastal waters. Northcom's commander, Gen. Ralph "Ed" Eberhart, is the first general since the Civil War with operational authority exclusively over military forces within the U.S. Gen. Eberhart has stoked concern among civil-liberties advocates by saying that the military and civilians should be involved in developing "actionable intelligence" for the government. In September 2002, he told a group of National Guardsmen that the military and the National Guard should "change our radar scopes" to prevent terrorism. It is important to "not just look out, but we're also going to have to look in," he said, adding, "we can't let culture and the way we've always done it stand in the way." http://www.dowjonesnews.com/sample/samplestory.asp?StoryID=2004030904000010&Take=1"

[Edited on March 16, 2004 at 10:36 PM. Reason : ..]

3/16/2004 10:31:19 PM

So tell me how biometrics are different than having to show a photo ID?

3/16/2004 10:32:03 PM

Quote :

" "A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers.... The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth." --Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, foreword to 1946 edition http://pages.zdnet.com/sartre65/gulag/"

3/17/2004 12:54:34 PM

So tell me how biometrics are different than having to show a photo ID?

3/17/2004 12:55:24 PM

Article in Courier Post (of southern New Jersey) reports that in a "red alert" (in the color-coded terrorism alert system) "you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home."

Quote :

"Sunday, March 16, 2003 By TOM BALDWIN Gannett State Bureau TRENTON If the nation escalates to "red alert," which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home, the state's anti-terror czar says. "This state is on top of it," said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-terrorism. Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, on Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state down. A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate. "Red means all noncritical functions cease," Caspersen said. "Noncritical would be almost all businesses, except health-related." A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the Department of Homeland Security. "The state will restrict transportation and access to critical locations," says the state's new brochure on dealing with terrorism. "You must adhere to the restrictions announced by authorities and prepare to evacuate, if instructed. Stay alert for emergency messages." Caspersen went further than the brochure. "The government agencies would run at a very low threshold," he said. "The state police and the emergency management people would take control over the highways. "You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out. No different than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm." http://www.southjerseynews.com/issues/march/m031603e.htm"

[Edited on March 21, 2004 at 11:18 PM. Reason : ..]

3/21/2004 11:16:25 PM

More on "red alert":

Quote :

"RED ALERT MEANS YOU WILL BE A PRISONER IN YOUR HOME AND THE SCHOOLS WILL KEEP YOU FROM YOUR CHILDREN, TAKING THEM TO "SECRET LOCATIONS" ...[a] February 14, 2003 article in the Washington Post reported that Washington DC area schools were planning to prevent parents from picking up their own children in the event of a terrorist attack. http://www.propagandamatrix.com/red_alert_means_you_will_be_a_prisoner "

Infowars.com's police state archive: http://www.infowars.com/police_state.html

[Edited on March 22, 2004 at 12:21 PM. Reason : ..]

3/22/2004 12:19:37 PM

OMFG!!!! JERSEY WILL SHUT DOWN AND IT"S ALL TEH SHUBS FAULT!!!

he's right about the snow emergencies, it's exactly the same thing, of course, you don't know anything about that, because you haven't ever lived in the north. Furthermore, you haven't given a single QUOTE which indicates that you will be assumed enemy if you are out during that time. You gave new interpretations, but no actualy quote from the source, so it's spin.

They do this all the time for snow emercencies, the police block all the highways (what do you think limited access highway was all about?) and local cops patrol a bit making sure people stay off the roads and stay home because it's dangerous to be out.

And if we are in "red alert" you can be damn sure someone flew a plane into a building again.

3/22/2004 12:40:28 PM

Here's Johnny...

3/22/2004 12:50:04 PM

3/22/2004 2:49:22 PM

I wonder if you even have any idea what that means.

3/22/2004 3:39:44 PM

OMG IT"S THE POLICE STATE!!!!!

Quote :

"At New York's Kennedy Airport today, an individual later discovered to be a public school teacher was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set-square, a slide rule, and a calculator. At a press conference, Attorney General John Ashcroft said he has reason to believe that the man is a member of the notorious Al- Gebra movement. He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. "Al-Gebra is a fearsome cult," Ashcroft said. "They desire average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like "x" and "y" and refer to themselves as "unknowns," but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. "As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, there are three sides to every triangle," Ashcroft declared. When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes. I am gratified that our government has given us a sine that it is intent on protracting us from these math-dogs who are willing to disintegrate us with calculus disregard. Murky statisticians love to inflict plane on every sphere of influence," the President said, adding: "Under the circumferences, we must differentiate their root, make our point, and draw the line." President Bush warned, "These weapons of math instruction have the potential to decimal everything in their math on a scalene never before seen unless we become exponents of a Higher Power and begin to factor-in random facts of vertex." Attorney General Ashcroft added, "As our Great Leader would say, read my ellipse. Here is one principle he is uncertainty of: Though they continue to multiply, their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens around their necks.""

3/22/2004 4:28:37 PM

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/

3/23/2004 3:49:56 PM

You forgot to reply to me in the 9/11 thread... about the "cruise missiles" and "holograms"... in case you just forget.

3/23/2004 4:39:02 PM

"Today America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

--Henry Kissinger


"Today we are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attende our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develope our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government."

--David Rockefeller, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.


[Edited on March 23, 2004 at 11:26 PM. Reason : ..]

3/23/2004 11:24:21 PM

3/23/2004 11:33:17 PM

"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political
bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced,
because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day
totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers.... The
greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by
refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence
about truth."

--Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, foreword to 1946 edition


[Edited on March 23, 2004 at 11:42 PM. Reason : ..]

3/23/2004 11:39:39 PM

Today America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow
they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat
from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. When presented
with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-
being granted to them by the World Government."

--Henry Kissinger


"Today we are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other
great publications whose directors have attende our meetings and respected their promises of
discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develope our plan for the
world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is
now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government."

--David Rockefeller, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

3/23/2004 11:43:00 PM

Article from the Wall Street Journal reports on the military's increased role in domestic law
enforcement since 9-11-01:

quote:

"Is Military Creeping Into Domestic Law Enforcement?
By Robert Block and Gary Fields

IN A LITTLE-NOTICED side effect of the war on terrorism, the military is edging toward a sensitive
area that has been off-limits to it historically: domestic intelligence gathering and law
enforcement.

...Historically, Americans haven't trusted the military to do domestic police work. The 1878
Posse Comitatus Act, passed in response to abuses by federal troops in the South after the Civil
War, prohibits the use of the military "to execute the laws" of the U.S. That's been widely
interpreted as a ban on searching, arresting or spying on U.S. civilians by federal troops.

...After the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House sought to further loosen restrictions to allow the
military to take on a new domestic-security role. It has mostly been rebuffed. In May the
House refused to approve a White House-backed proposal to give the Central Intelligence Agency
and the military authority to scrutinize personal and business records of U.S. citizens. And the
Senate last year blocked funding for a Pentagon project known as the Total Information
Awareness program, which was supposed to collect a vast array of information on individuals,
including medical, employment and credit-card histories.

The issue of an expanding military role in domestic affairs also surfaced last year with the
Pentagon's creation of the Northern Command, or Northcom, based in Colorado Springs, Colo. The
new command, the first such military command designed to protect the U.S. homeland from a
terrorist attack, has responsibility for the U.S, Canada, Mexico, portions of the Caribbean and U.S.
coastal waters. Northcom's commander, Gen. Ralph "Ed" Eberhart, is the first general since the
Civil War with operational authority exclusively over military forces within the U.S.

Gen. Eberhart has stoked concern among civil-liberties advocates by saying that the military
and civilians should be involved in developing "actionable intelligence" for the government. In
September 2002, he told a group of National Guardsmen that the military and the National Guard
should "change our radar scopes" to prevent terrorism. It is important to "not just look out, but
we're also going to have to look in," he said, adding, "we can't let culture and the way we've
always done it stand in the way."

source: http://www.dowjonesnews.com/sample/samplestory.asp?StoryID=2004030904000010&Take=1

3/23/2004 11:46:53 PM

Article in Courier Post (of southern New Jersey) reports that in a "red alert" (in the color-
coded terrorism alert system) "you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much
as venture outside your home."

quote:
"Sunday, March 16, 2003

By TOM BALDWIN
Gannett State Bureau
TRENTON

If the nation escalates to "red alert," which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against
terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your
home, the state's anti-terror czar says.

"This state is on top of it," said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-
terrorism.

Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, on
Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state
down.

A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate.


"Red means all noncritical functions cease," Caspersen said. "Noncritical would be almost all
businesses, except health-related."

A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the
Department of Homeland Security.

"The state will restrict transportation and access to critical locations," says the state's new
brochure on dealing with terrorism.

"You must adhere to the restrictions announced by authorities and prepare to evacuate, if
instructed. Stay alert for emergency messages."

Caspersen went further than the brochure. "The government agencies would run at a very low
threshold," he said.

"The state police and the emergency management people would take control over the highways.

"You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out. No different
than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm."

source: http://www.southjerseynews.com/issues/march/m031603e.htm

[Edited on March 23, 2004 at 11:50 PM. Reason : ..]

3/23/2004 11:50:04 PM

From the above article...

"After the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House sought to further loosen restrictions to allow the military to take on a new domestic-security role. It has mostly been rebuffed. In May the
House refused to approve a White House-backed proposal to give the Central Intelligence Agency
and the military authority to scrutinize personal and business records of U.S. citizens. And the
Senate last year blocked funding for a Pentagon project known as the Total Information
Awareness program, which was supposed to collect a vast array of information on individuals,
including medical, employment and credit-card histories."

In other words, the White House may have wanted it, but neither of the proposals mentioned above are going anywhere thanks to the legislature. Checks and balances, bitch, ain't democracy great?

[Edited on March 23, 2004 at 11:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/23/2004 11:52:03 PM

More on "red alert":

quote:

"RED ALERT MEANS YOU WILL BE A PRISONER IN YOUR HOME AND THE SCHOOLS WILL KEEP
YOU FROM YOUR CHILDREN, TAKING THEM TO "SECRET LOCATIONS"

...[a] February 14, 2003 article in the Washington Post reported that Washington DC area schools
were planning to prevent parents from picking up their own children in the event of a terrorist
attack.

source: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/red_alert_means_you_will_be_a_prisoner

Infowars.com's police state archive: http://www.infowars.com/police_state.html

[Edited on March 23, 2004 at 11:53 PM. Reason : ..]

3/23/2004 11:52:45 PM

Quote :

""A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it" . . . etc etc"

from ^^^^^^

C'mon man. Its bad enough you post meaningless quotes. Do you have to repeat them now? At least find original ones.

3/23/2004 11:53:48 PM

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3/23/2004 11:58:50 PM

http://www.techtv.com/news/scitech/story/0,24195,3649608,00.html

quote:

"High-tech school bus tracks kids by fingerprints, GPS

For kids in the Pinellas County of Florida, getting on and off any one of
the district's 750 school buses will soon require a pass that even
elementary kids won't forget... their finger.

The local school board last week passed over $2 million in funding to
outfit its fleet of yellow buses with new high-tech gear -- digital
fingerprint scanners and global positioning system, or GPS, satellite
locators -- to track drivers and their young passengers.

The technology, believed the first of its kind to be implemented in
the United Sates, has sparked concerns among parents and civil
liberty groups who fear the proposed system could threaten student
privacy."


[Edited on March 26, 2004 at 10:59 AM. Reason : ..]

3/26/2004 10:58:44 AM

What fucking student privacy? They are getting on a PUBLIC bus, going to a PUBLIC school, all of which is funded by PUBLIC money. Where does privacy enter the equation?

3/26/2004 11:31:15 AM

2 things I'm glad of

1. you can't find anything newer than last year

2. the governemnt is worried about our safety and will keep morons like sal from cruising town when it's under attack

you do realize that a red alert means that an attack is immenent/occuring. right? would you want to drive to the 7-11 in the middle of an attack?

3/27/2004 7:17:47 AM

goalielax: "the governemnt is worried about our safety..."


Anyone who believes our "government" has our best interests in mind is living under a delusion.





[Edited on March 27, 2004 at 11:48 AM. Reason : ..]

3/27/2004 11:45:39 AM

Since I see you've finaly taken to replying to people, answer the question:

What fucking student privacy? They are getting on a PUBLIC bus, going to a PUBLIC school, all of which is funded by PUBLIC money. Where does privacy enter the equation?

3/27/2004 3:09:52 PM

see, he has this thing where he doesn't answer questions, only tries to make fun of people

you will never get an answer out of him because he is incapable of developing a single rational thought on his own

just look through his posts - they're all the words of other people

3/27/2004 9:33:32 PM

http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/2953483/detail.html

3/28/2004 7:40:07 PM

Unfortunately, there is a clause that allows for RANDOM SEARCHES for laws that would be UNENFORCEABLE without such searches (i.e. checkpoints-drunk drivers)

Contradicting? "WE will not search you without reason (unless we need to)"

3/28/2004 8:00:53 PM

Alex Jones on the recent 5th Circuit Court of Appeals case that opened the door to searches
without warrants (see http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/2953483/detail.html)

source: http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/no_warrantw.htm

quote:

Alex Jones: "This 5th Curcuit ruling is criminal, similar to Supreme Court rulings of the past
declaring black people slaves. It is a total violation of the Bill of Rights and is null and void.

The US Congress and legislature of Louisiana should call an emergency session to investigate
possible criminal charges of sedition against those ruling to eradicate the 4th Amendment."

Note from Infowars.com: Look at how calmly they introduce this information -- it's all "for your
safety." This is the Essence of the Sovietization -- the Courts aligning Themselves against the
People in Favor of the Patriot Act. The Fourth Amendment was the keystone that separated the
United States from despotisms like Nazi Germany and soviet Russia.

Alex Jones
3/29/04:

"The government has created an atmosphere of fear and is now shifting the police powers to be
focused on the American people. It was the military-industrial complex that carried out 9-11 as
a pretext for more control. So, when President Bush says the terrorist attacked us because they
hate our freedom he is telling the truth. They are the terrorists, and they are taking our freedom."



[Edited on March 29, 2004 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ..]

3/29/2004 11:45:18 AM

Quote :

"The US Congress and legislature of Louisiana should call an emergency session to investigate possible criminal charges of sedition against those ruling to eradicate the 4th Amendment." "

Or you know, they could just chalange it in court, where it won't hold up and will be reversed. You know, actualy use the laws the way they were intended to be used.

3/29/2004 11:52:31 AM

On the "Total Information Awareness" system:

http://www.public-i.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=484

quote:

"Outsourcing Big Brother: Office of Total Information Awareness Relies on Private Sector
to Track Americans

The Total Information Awareness System, the controversial Pentagon research program
that aims to gather and analyze a vast array of information on Americans, has
hired at least eight private companies to work on the effort. Since 1997, those companies
have won contracts from the Defense Department agency that oversees the program worth
$88 million, the Center for Public Integrity has learned.

...

TIA itself was first proposed by an employee of a private contractor. John Poindexter, who
worked on DARPA projects for Syntek, an Arlington, Va.-based technical and engineering
services firm, suggested the program in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Poindexter, who headed the National Security Council during the Reagan administration, was
convicted in 1990 on five felony counts for his role in the Iran-Contra scandal. The convictions
were overturned in 1991 because he had been given immunity for his testimony during the
congressional investigation of the affair. On Jan. 14, 2002, he returned to the government as
the director of the Information Awareness Office.

...

The stated goal of TIA, which began in the 2002 fiscal year, is “to revolutionize the ability
of the United States to detect, classify and identify foreign terrorists—and decipher their
plans—and thereby enable the U.S. to take timely action to successfully preempt and defeat
terrorist acts.” To accomplish this, the program seeks to combine several kinds of information—
financial, education, travel, medical, veterinary, transportation and housing transactional
records; face, finger print, and other identifying data—into databases."


[Edited on March 29, 2004 at 2:22 PM. Reason : ..]

3/29/2004 2:19:54 PM

Oh horrors!!!! THEY"RE GOING TO COMPILE PUBLICLY AVAILIBLE INFORMATION INTO A DATEBASE!!!!

RUN FOR THE HILLS HELP HELP

3/29/2004 4:03:58 PM

Article from Las Vegas Review-Journal on the case of the Nevada man who refused to
give the police ID. Notice the title of the article.

source: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Mar-27-Sat-2004/opinion/23516027.html

"The road to the police state

Saturday, March 27, 2004
Las Vegas Review-Journal

...By a 4-3 vote, the Nevada Supreme Court rejected Mr. Hiibel's appeal, ruling any privacy
right guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is "outweighed by the
benefits to officers and community safety" by allowing police to force people to provide ID,
anywhere.

But under that logic, what right could not be trumped by "police convenience"? Using his
patrol car computer terminal, the modern American police officer can learn more about a
citizen from today's government-issued photo ID than was contained in the infamous "travel
papers" required of any citizen of the Third Reich.

Mr. Hiibel was not even in his motor vehicle. He was jailed for no more than stubbornness
and silence. If police can demand our ID by the side of a public road, what about in our
backyards ... or in our bedrooms?"


[Edited on March 30, 2004 at 10:00 PM. Reason : ..]

3/30/2004 9:58:25 PM

Quote :

"he modern American police officer can learn more about a citizen from today's government-issued photo ID than was contained in the infamous "travel papers" required of any citizen of the Third Reich. "

With just your name and the fact that you post on TWW I can find more out about you than any of those papers listed.

Quote :

"Mr. Hiibel was not even in his motor vehicle. He was jailed for no more than stubbornness and silence."

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

Out of curiosty, why is someone so concerned about privacy fromt he government posting on a public website with a public IP adress that can be traced back to their name, and billing information?

3/30/2004 11:24:17 PM

British political leader warns Britain could turn into a police state:

source: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=506785

quote:

"Terror panic could turn Britain into police state, says Kennedy

By Marie Woolf, Chief Political Correspondent

Charles Kennedy condemned "panicky measures" to protect Britain from terrorism
yesterday and said David Blunkett had stripped people of "hard-earned freedoms".

After several terrorist suspects were arrested yesterday, the Liberal Democrat
leader warned against the establishment of a police state and said "emergency"
measures introduced by the Home Secretary to protect Britain from terrorists
were "draconian"."

[Edited on March 31, 2004 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ..]

3/31/2004 3:08:42 PM

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature
is in session."

--Mark Twain

"I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central
Intelligence Agency back in '47, if I had known it would become
the American Gestapo."

--Harry Truman

"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."

--Tacitus


[Edited on April 1, 2004 at 10:15 AM. Reason : ..]

4/1/2004 10:07:46 AM

"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The
strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep
and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against
tyranny in government."

--Thomas Jefferson


"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from
its government."

--Thomas Paine



[Edited on April 1, 2004 at 10:31 AM. Reason : ..]

4/1/2004 10:17:57 AM

"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the
CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for
David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have
prepared for and are now moving to implement open world
dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting
against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens."

--Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German
defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary
General Manfred Werner

[Edited on April 1, 2004 at 10:35 AM. Reason : ..]

4/1/2004 10:34:27 AM

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4/1/2004 11:16:33 AM

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among
the people, who have a right and a desire to know; but besides this,
they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine
right to know that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I
mean of the characters and conduct of their rulers."

--John Adams

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