Quote :

"If the CIA created Al Qaeda, why don't they stop them from killing our soilders?"

Look. The people controlling our government (ie, the forces of international Zionism) don't want us to win the war in Iraq, and they care nothing for the welfare of our soldiers. They want a long, drawn-out war, which will increase the profits to these people--in government debt, arms sales, etc. The objective is not to win the war or end the conflict quickly. This is exactly what occured in Vietnam, for example.

So, to the extent that there are real "al-Qaeda" terrorists in Iraq, they are being used by the forces controlling our government to further inflame the conflict, resulting in a larger and more drawn-out war.

As Bush/Cheney Co. have said, this war on terror will last for decades and generations. They want it that way. And how do you think they can know how long it will last? Because it's been planned that way, and the forces controlling the government have orchestrated this entire thing.

4/28/2006 9:48:22 AM

Quote :

"Look. The people controlling our government (ie, the forces of international Zionism) don't want us to win the war in Iraq, and they care nothing for the welfare of our soldiers. They want a long, drawn-out war, which will increase the profits to these people--in government debt, arms sales, etc. The objective is not to win the war or end the conflict quickly. This is exactly what occured in Vietnam, for example. "

Why did the forces of internatioal Zionism allow for a rapid victory in Afghanistan?

4/28/2006 9:54:30 AM

I wasn't aware that the conflict in Afghanistan was over.


This lid is breaking on the Israeli/Zionist orchestration of 9/11...

911, Iraq, PNAC: All roads lead to Israel
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388%22%3ego

Quote :

"But what has been hidden from you and the dots which have not been connected in any 911 films is the Israeli connection. 911 was an inside job which was part of a larger plan for perpetual war hatched in Israel. 911 and the wars in the Middle East were carefully planned attacks carried out by a faction of Zionists neocons and the Israeli Mossad."

4/28/2006 10:05:00 AM

Quote :

"...allegedly..."

once again

if a terrorist leaves a clue, it is not a clue, but a cover

because no terrorist could ever leave a clue


THEY ARE JAWA NINJAS

and that should scare all of you

4/28/2006 10:47:20 AM

Its not the idea of a conspiracy im insulting so much as its the fact that you THINK ITS A JEWISH CONSPIRACY, JUST LIKE HOW EDUCATION, THE UN, BANKS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS A JEWISH CONSPIRACY

i mean seriously, i dig a good conspiracy. dont necissarily buy them all, i just like reading about them.

and the inclusion of the Jews in any conspiracy pretty much shows that the person making it up is a) uncreative or b)a white nationalist/supremacist/seperatist

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 10:59 AM. Reason : .]

4/28/2006 10:55:28 AM

exactly

you'll notice i really never even posted in this guys old threads until he ruined a thread about education with his edomite shit

4/28/2006 11:01:21 AM

Quote :

"and the inclusion of the Jews in any conspiracy pretty much shows that the person making it up is a) uncreative or b)a white nationalist/supremacist/seperatist"

So smear anyone who talks negatively about Jews or believes in a Zionist/Jewish conspiracy as a "white supremacist." Right out of the ADL playbook. Nice one.

Quote :

"he ruined a thread about education with his edomite shit"

Bullshit. I didn't "ruin" the thread. I merely provided a post or two that gave my thoughts on the subject. I was not trying to damage the thread.

Now, what you, guth, and others have tried to do to this thread is much worse--spamming and trolling the thread with nonsense intentionally trying to damage the thread.

4/28/2006 11:20:24 AM

Quote :

"what ive learned zionists and secret organizations: purposefully leave in your face signs about their existence and involvement terrorists: dont leave signs, if their is a sign its because someone framed them"

4/28/2006 11:42:41 AM

salis....why did you ruin this thread with your edomite stuff??

AND WHERE IS THE CONCLUSIVE UNDENIABLE PROOF!?!?!?!?....the thing is...i know your refresh this page constantly...so i know you will read this in the next 5 minutes...and if you cant show me the conclusive "evidence" proving your claim on 9/11....i will take it as a concession of defeat...thanks

4/28/2006 11:48:57 AM

Good commentary on the framing of the named Arab "hijackers" and bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/govknow.html

Quote :

"Yet another problem lies with the described actions of the hijackers themselves. We are being told on the one hand that these men were such fanatical devotees of their faith that they willingly crashed the jets they were flying into buildings. Yet on the other hand, we are being told that these same men spent the night before their planned visit to Allah drinking in strip bars, committing not just one, but two mortal sins which would keep them out of Paradise no matter what else they did. Truly devout Muslims would spend the day before a suicide attack fasting and praying. Not only does the drinking in strip bars not fit the profile of a fanatically religious Muslim willing to die for his cause, but the witness reports of the men in the bars are of men going out of their way to be noticed and remembered, while waving around phony identifications. Because of the facts of the phony identifications, we don't really know who was on those planes. What we do know is that the men on those planes went to a great deal of trouble to steal the identities of Muslims, and to make sure those identities were seen and remembered, then to leave a plethora of planted clues around, such as crop dusting manuals, and letters in checked baggage (why does a terrorist about to die need to check baggage?) that "somehow" didn't get on the final, fatal, flight. This abundance of dubious evidence pointing to Arabs is the pattern previously established in the Lavon Affair. More than an absence of proof linking 9-11 to Osama, the proof exists of a deliberate attempt to frame Arabs for terror attacks in the United States. The claimed proofs have all been dismissed as deliberate mistranslations bordering on frauds and in one case a (poorly) faked video tape. The Anthrax letters, written to look like they were from Arab Muslims are actually from a non-Arab source. This proves the existence of a deliberate plot to frame Arabs. And yet the US Government is not interested in looking at any evidence that does not support the desired outcome."

So, who would want to frame bin Laden and Arabs for the attacks?


[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 11:53 AM. Reason : ````````]

4/28/2006 11:51:08 AM

Quote :

"do u deny that Osama bin Laden isnt real or that just the tapes arent real? 4/27/2006 4:28:07 PM"

4/28/2006 11:53:54 AM

if muslim guys had stolen identification from some white dudes how is that supposed to get them onto the plane. i mean security arent the brightest people, but they also aren't completely inept.

4/28/2006 11:54:09 AM

Quote :

"do u deny that Osama bin Laden isnt real or that just the tapes arent real?"

Clearly, I believe bin Laden was/is a real person (he may be dead by now). But many of the video and audio tapes supposedly of bin Laden, however, are doctored (ie, mistranslated, etc.) or outright fakes. For instance, at least one or two of the purported tapes of bin Laden actually used bin Laden look-alikes.

4/28/2006 11:58:15 AM

thank you salis...i expected the typical "D-E-N-I-A-L" crap...or some rant about how i can continue to live in ignorance of the zionist arab conspiracy or whatever....and instead...you ignore my response completely. i have given you ample time to provide for me the undeniable conclusive proof that jews are responsible for 9/11 and you have yet to provide that for me. the best you could do was some fuzzy pictures (which we now know were doctored by the forger alex jones) and some report of dancing jews.

thank you for your concession of defeat.

4/28/2006 12:01:12 PM

Quote :

"Bullshit. I didn't "ruin" the thread. I merely provided a post or two that gave my thoughts on the subject. I was not trying to damage the thread."

go look at the thread again

70% of the discussion after your posts was rebuking you and debunking your post

this is why you are contained
because normal people can't just let your shit go
it wouldn't be right

4/28/2006 12:08:57 PM

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

4/28/2006 12:23:32 PM

Quote :

"So smear anyone who talks negatively about Jews or believes in a Zionist/Jewish conspiracy as a "white supremacist." Right out of the ADL playbook."

THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE THE EDOMITE ZIONISTS THE CAUSE OF EVERYTHING YOU POST?

4/28/2006 12:33:37 PM

Quote :

"So smear anyone who talks negatively about Jews or believes in a Zionist/Jewish conspiracy as a "white supremacist.""

Is it really smear? As far as I can gather, Salisburyboy thinks that whites are superior to everyone else. Jews are evil, arabs are dumb, and hispanics are all rapists, right?

4/28/2006 12:41:00 PM

Wasn't there a page in this thread where some engineering kids were explaining the things the conspiracy theorists were calling into question? Notably the collapse of tower 7 (I think). I can't read 28 pages of this crap to look for it.

4/28/2006 12:51:09 PM

Why is there barely a peep out of the media over the Israeli spying in America around 9/11? This was the biggest spy ring ever uncovered in the United States. Around 200 Israeli spies. Why has this been covered up? I think you know why.

Quote :

"So Israel has been caught spying on the US again what is new other than the fact that a foreign government can get caught spying in the US in a time of war and the Media will not report it. Just imagine if it had been Korean spies instead of Jews, and how big this story would be. ...just how the Hell do they get away with it? Well they are free from any and all criticism because they play the two cards which an over-socialized liberal can not see through. They play the race card and the religion card, a double whammy. If you say the J word it is over, even if Israel has an illegal military occupation and sets up racially segregated colonies into Palestine, kills kids, knockes down homes of civilians and attacks them with a military and runs a brutal police state which is causing a backlash of terrorism on Israeli people (racist or not that is not a reason to kill someone). The Zionists are the real racist[s], engaging in ethnic cleansing in the name of defense and calling any opposition terrorists. They are creating terrorism by engaging in it themselves. Israel can do ANYTHING and the press will not mention [it]. But then again just who owns our press and our banks?... http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388%22%3ego"

And the Holocaust card. The hoax that "6 million Jews were gassed to death in Nazi death camps" forever makes Jews immune to all criticism. If you say anything critical of a Jew (individual or group), you're "a racist bigotted Nazi Jew-hating anti-Semite white supremacist blah blah blah."


[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 1:27 PM. Reason : ```````]

4/28/2006 1:20:27 PM

Why is there not even a peep out of salisburyboy whenever anyone questions him?

4/28/2006 1:23:24 PM

I certainly do when there are serious questions from people genuienly interested in searching for the truth

as opposed to trolling

4/28/2006 1:26:18 PM

BUT YOU ASSUME EVERYONE QUESTIONING IS A TROLL YOU SMARMY MOTHERFUCKER

WHEN I'M THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS ADMITTED MY EFFORTS ARE TO GET YOU TO QUIT

4/28/2006 1:52:51 PM

Quote :

"BUT YOU ASSUME EVERYONE QUESTIONING IS A TROLL"

No. Not everyone. Essentially just you (who admitted you were trolling me), JonHGuth (who is obviously trolling), and Mr. Joshua (who is clearly trolling many times as well).


http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388%22%3ego

Quote :

"These things are not mentioned in 911 video alt radio and of course not on TV. Zionism is THE most sacred subject in the US. One mention of it and you are automatically and Anti-Semite. Well it is time to grow some balls and start talking about the Elephant in the room. Neocons from Israel and America started these wars and carried out 911. That's the real 911 Truth."

B-I-N-G-O

Quote :

"One can not say that conspiracies simply don’t exist or can not happen. Hell the `19 hijackers theory` of 911 is a conspiracy theory, so one is forced to believe in one conspiracy theory or another."

But most of the people who believe the official fairy tale probably don't even think of the official story as being a "conspiracy." Only those "conspiracy nuts" believe in conspiracies, right? Doh!

Quote :

"People will ask how could something so big be kept a secret? How could the press not uncover it? Conspiracies happen all the time,. I'll give you a recent example. Just look the Iran Contra affair was a secret government and CIA operation that included thousands of people, involved multiple countries, and used up billions of dollars."

Oh, and they kept the truth about the Gulf of Tonkin incident secret for around 40 years. And the government and military is no doubt doing all kinds of things that we have no idea about. There are many big things that are surely still being kept secret.

Quote :

"The real people who demonstratively wrote, planned, signed, lied, and carried out this war are ZIONISTS NEOCONS. Don' blame it on a mysterious group of people when we already have the names and the physical evidence of who did this. We seem to have about half a story floating around about 911. The Israeli connections have to made or refuted. I have not heard of any valid refutations. The anti-Semite card is all I have ever hear as an attempted rebuttal. ...We have to band together to stop the NWO but you need to know who is really behind the wizard’s curtain."

exactly

4/28/2006 1:59:15 PM

what are the names and the "physical evidence" then?

post it.

you can't.

4/28/2006 2:08:54 PM

see there you go

mr joshua has honest questions

but you just find it easier to deflect them than to address them

4/28/2006 2:11:05 PM

mr joshua is trolling me and has been for a long time

you think I don't see that?

4/28/2006 2:11:45 PM

Quote :

"the most compelling evidence being that the plans laid out in the Protocols have been subsequently implemented"

omg so you mean to say that if I sit down and write up a salisburyboy protocol and, in it, describe plans to sabatoge TWW with stupid and senseless topics, that will be most compelling evidence that you are just a big old stupid troll?

nice! and you will be forced to believe it since there won't be any proof that it was a hoax - I mean, like you said, its hard to argue with the fact that the plans laid out in the Protocols have been subsequently implemented

4/28/2006 2:13:55 PM

im waiting for him to tell me what kind of identification they should have used

4/28/2006 2:23:23 PM

I'm waiting for anyone to provide any evidence supporting the official fairy tale.

FBI Director Robert Mueller publicly admitted there is absolutely no evidence linking the named "hijackers" to the 9/11 attacks. And the supposed bin Laden tapes are fakes. Where is the evidence supporting the official story? There is none.

4/28/2006 2:32:42 PM

Quote :

"mr joshua is trolling me and has been for a long time"

No, you're just trying to dismiss me because you can't defend your ideas. I've been asking the same serious questions for 15 pages now, and you slander me as a troll and avoid discussion rather than answering a few simple questions. All I want is a discussion.

Quote :

"Where is the evidence supporting the official story? There is none."

Actually there is a mountain of it, but unless the source supports your ideas, you dismiss it as a hit piece written by an edomite jew who is still pissed about Esau selling his birthright.

4/28/2006 2:38:36 PM

right, cause the hijackers were just identities that were stolen and used

in other words the fact that the names of the people ended up to be fake only means that they used fake identification.

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 2:39 PM. Reason : its really not rocket science]

4/28/2006 2:38:48 PM

troll

4/28/2006 2:39:29 PM

[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 3:06 PM. Reason : i gotta run]

4/28/2006 2:40:58 PM

somebody's getting angry and frustrated

4/28/2006 2:43:32 PM

its equally as frustrating as trying to explain to a 3 year old that when they draw people the arms and legs dont come out of the head, they need a body.

4/28/2006 2:46:39 PM

Somebody is ignoring the same questions for 15+ pages.

Why not just answer them?

4/28/2006 2:46:56 PM

more desperate distraction tactics
you don't want people looking at the evidence
or even thinking about this issue rationally

but this won't work
you are losing
the facts and evidence are on our side
you can't stop it

4/28/2006 2:51:22 PM

I'm asking serious questions about statements that you have made. How is that a distraction tactic?

People would take you more seriously if you would engage in rational discussion with the big kids once in a while.

4/28/2006 2:52:35 PM

who is "our"

you're all alone


you lose

good day sir

4/28/2006 2:52:36 PM

wait nevermind overthrower agrees with you

but thats just another of your sn's

so it still doesnt count

4/28/2006 2:55:14 PM

hey, try to immitate me!

4/28/2006 2:56:16 PM

now you arent even making sense

4/28/2006 2:58:18 PM

all you've done it try to immitate me this entire thread guth

4/28/2006 2:58:52 PM

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

4/28/2006 3:00:15 PM

Quote :

"all you've done it try to immitate me this entire thread guth "

no i agree, thats exactly why i am trolling and having fun

im just doing what you are doing


im glad we can agree on that

4/28/2006 3:01:36 PM

keep at it troll

4/28/2006 3:01:46 PM

Remember back in the day when he would call everyone else a "disinformation agent"?

But then he read "troll" somewhere, and in true 5 year old fashion, he tried to put in every sentence.

4/28/2006 3:05:04 PM

what city do you live in

4/28/2006 3:07:00 PM

I thought you had to run guth

4/28/2006 3:07:38 PM