Moe, what stakes do you play at again? What's your avg $ profit per table? I've been thinking about getting back into very low limit cash game multi tabling on Sundays since my weekly live tournament has gone from freeze out to rebuy.

1/2/2010 11:00:59 PM

How should I have played this hand?

Full Tilt Poker Game #17309858275: $1,000 Weekly Freeroll (125811770), Table 704 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:51:20 ET - 2010/01/03
Seat 1: SachaNR1 (13,584)
Seat 2: thuglord79 (22,883)
Seat 3: SLARWUSS 09 (23,763)
Seat 4: dummy991 (7,762)
Seat 5: Joseph1031 (5,283)
Seat 6: Barbie1985 (39,541)
Seat 7: SHWADE22 (29,175)
Seat 8: stony8 (15,876)
Seat 9: Sereginpb (7,697)
SachaNR1 antes 125
thuglord79 antes 125
SLARWUSS 09 antes 125
dummy991 antes 125
Joseph1031 antes 125
Barbie1985 antes 125
SHWADE22 antes 125
stony8 antes 125
Sereginpb antes 125
SachaNR1 posts the small blind of 500
thuglord79 posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHWADE22 [Jh Jc]
SLARWUSS 09 has 15 seconds left to act
SLARWUSS 09 folds
dummy991 folds
Joseph1031 raises to 5,158, and is all in
Barbie1985 folds
SHWADE22 raises to 29,050, and is all in
stony8 folds
Sereginpb folds
SachaNR1 folds
thuglord79 folds
SHWADE22 shows [Jh Jc]
Joseph1031 shows [6d Qd]
Uncalled bet of 23,892 returned to SHWADE22
*** FLOP *** [6h 2h 2d]
*** TURN *** [6h 2h 2d] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [6h 2h 2d 2c] [2s]
SHWADE22 shows four of a kind, Twos
Joseph1031 shows four of a kind, Twos
Joseph1031 wins the pot (12,941) with four of a kind, Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12,941 | Rake 0
Board: [6h 2h 2d 2c 2s]
Seat 1: SachaNR1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: thuglord79 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: SLARWUSS 09 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: dummy991 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Joseph1031 showed [6d Qd] and won (12,941) with four of a kind, Twos
Seat 6: Barbie1985 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: SHWADE22 showed [Jh Jc] and lost with four of a kind, Twos
Seat 8: stony8 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Sereginpb (button) folded before the Flop

1/3/2010 4:53:40 PM

You played it correctly. I'm currently playing a $50 rebuy add on with gabrainos dealing. Good stuff!

1/3/2010 6:23:37 PM

Yeah I know I played it right. I just thought it was an interesting hand.

1/3/2010 6:40:21 PM

Then why'd you ask how should you play it?

1/3/2010 8:19:39 PM

Sarcasm. And because everyone is less likely to flame me if I say that

1/3/2010 9:28:59 PM

Carnival Cruise - sat down at the casino poker table with 6 guys. Bought in for $100


cashed out 2.5 hours later with $750



That will cover about 2 more cruises

1/3/2010 9:32:23 PM

Nice! I did the same with my last carnival cruise, except it took my a whopping 6 hours.

1/3/2010 10:00:36 PM

Quote :

"Moe, what stakes do you play at again? What's your avg $ profit per table? I've been thinking about getting back into very low limit cash game multi tabling on Sundays since my weekly live tournament has gone from freeze out to rebuy."

Here's a few numbers from 2009. 95% of the time that I played these limits, I was maxing out the # of tables (16 on FTP and 24 on Stars). I estimated Stars RB at 15%. This number varies depending on VIP level and limits. This also does not include any bonuses.

ftp 25nl - 73.64 hours - 77617 hands - $1420.37 profit - $19.29/hr - $1270.23 rake (*27%) = $23.95/hr

ftp 50nl - 97.03 hours - 101459 hands - $2134.65 profit - $22.00/hr - $3105.96 rake (*27%) = $30.64/hr

stars 25nl - 137.53 hours - 191224 hands - $2310.9 profit - $16.8/hr - $2967.32 rake (*15% estimated) = $20.04/hr

stars 50nl - 51.62 hours - 61344 hands - $1195.6 profit - $23.16/hr - $1654.22 rake (*15% esitmated) = $27.97/hr

1/4/2010 8:41:01 AM

Damn, you were playing 50% more tables on stars and making less?

1/4/2010 10:34:28 AM

Yeah. It's interesting. Not sure why. Maybe there's more 24-tabling nits on Stars so the games are tougher?

1/4/2010 10:39:09 AM

Perhaps. What programs do you use again? Can you data mine on stars and ftp?

1/4/2010 10:45:53 AM

HEM. A few AHK scipts: betpot, starsplanner, and one that I found on 2+2 to move windows. I sometimes use a table scanner. I don't really datamine anymore since you can't datamine on Stars and I intend on playing there this year.

1/4/2010 10:49:40 AM

Can you elaborate on that last part?

1/4/2010 10:51:41 AM

The datamining tool that I used is called IdleMiner. It will basically open a bunch of tables and grabs the HH's for you and then you can import them to your DB. You can set it up with a bunch of different filters for limits and sites. It doesn't work on Stars, though. I haven't used it in a few months so I can't guarantee that it still works for FTP either.

1/4/2010 10:59:28 AM

Then why do you intend playing there?

1/4/2010 11:04:07 AM

I don't have a FTP account that has RB. I was using my wife's account (well mine set up with her name/bank to get RB). I don't really feel comfortable keeping large bank roll on there with the risk of them taking it. Plus their support sucks and I should be able to get a higher RB% once I hit Supernova.

1/4/2010 11:08:52 AM

When you signed up with FT poker originally did you do it through an affiliate or did you just go right to the site and sign up? If its the later there is way you can still get RB on FT. Let me know and I will tell you how.

1/4/2010 6:30:40 PM

I believe that I went straight to the website. It was so long ago that I don't really remember 100%.

1/4/2010 6:59:13 PM

How do you set AP to save all your hand histories to your HD? I have looked everywhere and can't find the setting.

1/7/2010 6:25:46 PM

Stage #1841640611: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2010-01-08 04:11:57 (ET)
Table: OXFORD RD (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - WIDEAWAKE_1 ($6.80 in chips)
Seat 5 - FOLD2BOB ($28.68 in chips)
Seat 6 - CNOTE03 ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 7 - FACETUA ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 8 - KaYakNC ($25.95 in chips)
Seat 9 - CURTILIZ ($33.51 in chips)
Seat 1 - K3VINJAM3S ($35.36 in chips)
Seat 2 - CHLUKE10 ($17.31 in chips)
FOLD2BOB - Posts small blind $0.10
CNOTE03 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to KaYakNC [Kc 6c]
FACETUA - Folds
KaYakNC - Calls $0.25
CURTILIZ - Folds
K3VINJAM3S - Folds
CHLUKE10 - Folds
WIDEAWAKE_1 - Calls $0.25
FOLD2BOB - Calls $0.15
CNOTE03 - Raises $1.25 to $1.50
KaYakNC - Calls $1.25
WIDEAWAKE_1 - Calls $1.25
FOLD2BOB - Folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 5s 7d]
CNOTE03 - Bets $3
KaYakNC - Raises $7 to $7
WIDEAWAKE_1 - Folds
CNOTE03 - Calls $4
*** TURN *** [4s 5s 7d] [8d]
CNOTE03 - Checks
KaYakNC - All-In $17.45
CNOTE03 - All-In $10.15
KaYakNC - returned ($7.30) : not called
*** RIVER *** [4s 5s 7d 8d] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CNOTE03 - Shows [Jh Jc] (Straight, four to eight)
KaYakNC - Shows [Kc 6c] (Straight, four to eight)
CNOTE03 Collects $18.55 from main pot
KaYakNC Collects $18.55 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($39.05) | Rake ($1.95)
Board [4s 5s 7d 8d 6h]
Seat 1: K3VINJAM3S Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: CHLUKE10 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: WIDEAWAKE_1 (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: FOLD2BOB (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: CNOTE03 (big blind) won Total ($18.55) All-In HI$18.55) with Straight, four to eight [Jh Jc - B:8d,B:7d,B:6h,B:5s,B:4s]
Seat 7: FACETUA Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: KaYakNC won Total ($18.55) All-In HI$18.55) with Straight, four to eight [Kc 6c - B:8d,B:7d,B:6h,B:5s,B:4s]
Seat 9: CURTILIZ Folded on the POCKET CARDS



Shit like this always happens. I basically over bet the pot because I figured he had a hand and wouldnt put me on the straight and he would think I was on a flush draw and missed and would get his call, which I did. Then the fucking river happens. It seems every time I get some moron to make a horrible call they luck out 90% of the time.


btw, I had been on a good run all night and was about to head to bed and was playing really loose, hence the raise call with K rag suited.



[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 6:07 PM. Reason : /]

1/8/2010 6:05:48 PM

Moe ur not using tableninja but ur 24 tabling?

What a sicko.

1/15/2010 4:51:00 PM

What more does tableninja offer that betpot script doesn't?

1/16/2010 7:18:20 PM

So much shit dude. I can't imagine playing without it now. Def give it a look.

The main feature I love is being able to use the keyboard for actions (bet, call, fold, sitout, etc...). I have bet, call, fold set on the keyboard and its incredible how much time you save -- I can 16 table while cooking dinner now if I want too

1/18/2010 12:32:06 AM

Has anyone tried that Rush poker thing on Full Tilt? It looks completely retarded.

1/19/2010 11:25:51 AM

^yeah its retarded

1/19/2010 7:00:51 PM

Yea its awful.

1/19/2010 11:40:03 PM

Just final tabled the HORSE freeroll and won a whole $7.50 Chris Ferguson challenge is going down.

1/20/2010 12:19:29 AM

Really low limits but this was probably the most satisfying hand of poker I've ever played.

Full Tilt Poker Game #17745515422: Table Benay - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:40:38 ET - 2010/01/20
Seat 1: tank034 ($2.14)
Seat 2: RamRod1064 ($1.91)
Seat 3: cepelevaluba ($0.67)
Seat 4: fastaceeddie ($1.92)
Seat 5: dre61 ($0.59)
Seat 6: CangFeng ($1.15)
Seat 7: SHWADE22 ($2.03)
Seat 8: azgull ($5.27)
Seat 9: pitsipop ($0.84)
CangFeng posts the small blind of $0.01
SHWADE22 posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHWADE22 [Jd Kh]
azgull folds
pitsipop folds
tank034 folds
RamRod1064 folds
cepelevaluba folds
fastaceeddie folds
dre61 raises to $0.04
CangFeng has 15 seconds left to act
CangFeng calls $0.03
SHWADE22 calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [Qd Tc Ac]
CangFeng checks
SHWADE22 checks
dre61 bets $0.06
CangFeng calls $0.06
SHWADE22 calls $0.06
*** TURN *** [Qd Tc Ac] [2s]
CangFeng checks
SHWADE22 checks
dre61 bets $0.06
CangFeng calls $0.06
SHWADE22 raises to $0.18
dre61 calls $0.12
CangFeng calls $0.12
*** RIVER *** [Qd Tc Ac 2s] [8h]
CangFeng has 15 seconds left to act
CangFeng bets $0.87, and is all in
SHWADE22 calls $0.87
dre61 calls $0.31, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CangFeng shows [Jc 9h] a straight, Queen high
SHWADE22 shows [Jd Kh] a straight, Ace high
SHWADE22 wins the side pot ($1.04) with a straight, Ace high
dre61 mucks
SHWADE22 wins the main pot ($1.66) with a straight, Ace high
dre61 adds $1.40
CangFeng adds $0.80
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.89 Main pot $1.77. Side pot $1.12. | Rake $0.19
Board: [Qd Tc Ac 2s 8h]
Seat 1: tank034 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: RamRod1064 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: cepelevaluba didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: fastaceeddie didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: dre61 (button) mucked [6s As] - a pair of Aces
Seat 6: CangFeng (small blind) showed [Jc 9h] and lost with a straight, Queen high
Seat 7: SHWADE22 (big blind) showed [Jd Kh] and won ($2.70) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 8: azgull didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: pitsipop didn't bet (folded)

1/20/2010 1:44:12 AM

Well, that $7.50 is gone now. The hand that knocked me out.

Full Tilt Poker Game #17783026764: Table Ape (6 max) - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:44:41 ET - 2010/01/21
Seat 1: TheSwedishLife ($1.98)
Seat 2: SHWADE22 ($1.15)
Seat 3: xTheFishermanx ($2.83)
Seat 4: Ilguid ($2.19)
Seat 5: m2106 ($1.92)
Seat 6: Hello Lovely ($2)
SHWADE22 posts the small blind of $0.01
xTheFishermanx posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHWADE22 [Th Ts]
Ilguid folds
m2106 folds
Hello Lovely folds
TheSwedishLife raises to $0.06
SHWADE22 raises to $0.20
xTheFishermanx folds
TheSwedishLife calls $0.14
*** FLOP *** [Jc 9c 4d]
SHWADE22 bets $0.42
TheSwedishLife raises to $1.78, and is all in
SHWADE22 calls $0.53, and is all in
TheSwedishLife shows [7s 7c]
SHWADE22 shows [Th Ts]
Uncalled bet of $0.83 returned to TheSwedishLife
*** TURN *** [Jc 9c 4d] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 9c 4d 4h] [7h]
TheSwedishLife shows a full house, Sevens full of Fours
SHWADE22 shows two pair, Tens and Fours
TheSwedishLife wins the pot ($2.17) with a full house, Sevens full of Fours
SHWADE22 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.32 | Rake $0.15
Board: [Jc 9c 4d 4h 7h]
Seat 1: TheSwedishLife (button) showed [7s 7c] and won ($2.17) with a full house, Sevens full of Fours
Seat 2: SHWADE22 (small blind) showed [Th Ts] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 3: xTheFishermanx (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Ilguid didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: m2106 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Hello Lovely didn't bet (folded)

I swear to god this happens to me way more often than 10% of the time. At least like 20%.

1/21/2010 11:48:47 AM

moe are you kensmoe8 or something on Stars?

Was just goofin around 20 tabling 10/25nl and noticed some dude w/ a State avvy at some of my tables -- has to be you I bet

1/28/2010 9:07:57 PM

Most painful bad beat of my life...

Full Tilt Poker Game #18078430665: $10 + $1 Knockout (136420044), Table 104 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:03:00 ET - 2010/01/31
Seat 1: bigb3388 (6,330)
Seat 2: oldmankost (1,260)
Seat 3: alainmeumeu (3,985)
Seat 4: SlowHand910 (8,091)
Seat 5: nikedunklowpro (7,916)
Seat 6: fckusideways (4,619)
Seat 7: tytherby (3,405)
Seat 8: tazzetta (22,005)
Seat 9: the_limpest (1,085)
SlowHand910 posts the small blind of 80
nikedunklowpro posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nikedunklowpro [Ad As]
fckusideways folds
tytherby folds
tazzetta calls 160
the_limpest calls 160
bigb3388 folds
oldmankost calls 160
alainmeumeu raises to 480
SlowHand910 folds
nikedunklowpro has 15 seconds left to act
nikedunklowpro raises to 1,200
tazzetta calls 1,040
the_limpest folds
oldmankost folds
alainmeumeu raises to 3,985, and is all in
nikedunklowpro raises to 7,916, and is all in
tazzetta has 15 seconds left to act
tazzetta calls 6,716
nikedunklowpro shows [Ad As]
tazzetta shows [Ks Ac]
alainmeumeu shows [Kc Kd]
*** FLOP *** [Qd 5h Kh]
*** TURN *** [Qd 5h Kh] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 5h Kh 9s] [5s]
nikedunklowpro shows two pair, Aces and Fives
tazzetta shows two pair, Kings and Fives
nikedunklowpro wins the side pot (7,862) with two pair, Aces and Fives
alainmeumeu shows a full house, Kings full of Fives
alainmeumeu wins the main pot (12,355) with a full house, Kings full of Fives

1/31/2010 7:14:43 PM

Quote :

"moe are you kensmoe8 or something on Stars?"

Yea that's me. I'm usually 24 tabling 25nl and/or 50nl.

1/31/2010 7:23:36 PM

nearing the money bubble of the million

lets see how hard i can fail

1/31/2010 7:59:10 PM

me too - on stars? whats your username

1/31/2010 9:39:23 PM

slowcheetah1

im in like 100/900 at this break


and deep in the 50r as well

1/31/2010 9:56:02 PM

gl take it down. I mucked, KK to AQs

1/31/2010 10:35:58 PM

I have you pulled up

1/31/2010 10:37:21 PM

A reasonable 5k Sunday i'd say.

2/1/2010 1:21:14 AM

MTT results for January (not too bad considering I went on a week and a half vacations). Put this on top of 1k in cash games and ~500 staking i'd say it was a nice start to the new year. Not quite on pace for 100k for the year which is my goal, but not too far off either

2/1/2010 12:45:06 PM

Nice, ready to file those taxes for last year?

2/1/2010 2:05:51 PM

Yeh i'm using our family accountant -- he has no idea how to report all my poker stuff so he's having fun figuring it out

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM. Reason : sp]

2/1/2010 2:22:51 PM

Hey moe just had a fun idea.

Wanna do some sorta 50nl profit or winrate prop for a set period of time or hands or something?

(I like doing these sorts of things b/c I get bored and need motivation to keep on going lol)

2/2/2010 8:52:56 PM

^ Sounds fun but I'll prob pass. I don't think it would be fair for either of us. Since I've been mass-tabling my win rate takes a hit so you would have the bigger edge there. If we simply did $ over a time period, I'd prob have a big edge there based on the huge quantity of hands that I get in per month (did >70k hands last month with a week on vacation).

What are your plans/goals at 50nl?

2/4/2010 8:25:46 AM

I've been 24 tabling 25 and 50nl just to get a feel for it. Haven't had much issue doing 4-5k hands daily. I'm getting coaching from flushm97 on Friday to plug some leaks-- kinda excited.

But if I decide to make a full go at it 5 days a week I think 70-80k hands a month would be pretty easy (well not "easy", but doable).

[Edited on February 4, 2010 at 5:50 PM. Reason : /]

2/4/2010 5:50:09 PM

Quote :

"I'm getting coaching from flushm97 on Friday to plug some leaks-- kinda excited."

Nice. Let me know how that goes. I need to get back to studying poker more. I'm tired of grinding 2bb/100. I let my CR subscription lapse a few months ago. I need to sign back up so I can become a better player rather than a robotic decent player.

2/4/2010 10:59:03 PM

Yeh he's got really good reviews on the 2p2 coaching forum so I hope it goes well. He's from Raleigh and still lives there, ironically enough, and graduated from State.

Anywho it's $55/hour for 50nl coaching so i'm gonna do a few hours and hope it helps. I'm basically breakeven so far in my attempt at full ring cash, which is weird b/c I can beat 6 max -- if anything I figured it would be the other way around.

2/5/2010 1:10:58 AM

This is a friend of mine from Raleigh, makes me sick. Had another ~$20K 2nd place cash in the middle of there somewhere which didn't show up because of the sharkscope/FT blackout period a few months ago. All of this goes back to the $10 I shipped him about a year ago when he was broke, hasn't looked back since.

2/5/2010 6:40:40 PM

Quote :

"Nice. Let me know how that goes. I need to get back to studying poker more. I'm tired of grinding 2bb/100. I let my CR subscription lapse a few months ago. I need to sign back up so I can become a better player rather than a robotic decent player."

Did a one hour session this morning with the guy. Realized instantly I was off on a few ranges for flatting 3bs, 4betting, etc... Instantly helped a bunch, proceeded to play 10k hands today (mixture of 25,50,100nl) and straight up crush. He pretty much advocates a 14/12 or so style for FR which works pretty well for me even 20-30 tabling.

I'd def recommend the coach -- here's a link to his 2p2 thread for coaching, definitely worth the $55/hr imo. Will probably do another hour or 2 with him if I ever move up to 100nl.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/164/poker-coach-listings/25nl-50nl-100nl-full-ring-coaching-504727/

2/6/2010 1:13:05 AM

no one runs worse...

Full Tilt Poker Game #18239922691: $8 + $0.80 Tournament (138007928), Table 10 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:02:59 ET - 2010/02/06
Seat 1: rhino60 (5,121)
Seat 2: SmittyAKQJT (4,015)
Seat 3: nikedunklowpro (825)
Seat 4: Krull 76 (4,525)
Seat 5: iRainer (1,836)
Seat 6: EPOC Paint (6,830)
Seat 7: spoodster2nd (3,543)
Seat 8: face_me_7 (1,880)
Seat 9: ADN82 (2,190)
nikedunklowpro posts the small blind of 50
Krull 76 posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nikedunklowpro [Jc Js]
iRainer calls 100
EPOC Paint calls 100
spoodster2nd folds
face_me_7 folds
ADN82 folds
rhino60 raises to 400
SmittyAKQJT folds
nikedunklowpro raises to 820
Krull 76 folds
iRainer has 15 seconds left to act
iRainer raises to 1,836, and is all in
EPOC Paint folds
rhino60 calls 1,436
nikedunklowpro calls 5, and is all in
iRainer shows [Td Jd]
rhino60 shows [Ts Tc]
nikedunklowpro shows [Jc Js]
*** FLOP *** [7s 3h 9c]
*** TURN *** [7s 3h 9c] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [7s 3h 9c Qc] [Ks]
iRainer shows a straight, King high
rhino60 shows a pair of Tens
iRainer wins the side pot (2,022) with a straight, King high
nikedunklowpro shows a pair of Jacks
iRainer wins the main pot (2,675) with a straight, King high
nikedunklowpro stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,697 Main pot 2,675. Side pot 2,022. | Rake 0
Board: [7s 3h 9c Qc Ks]
Seat 1: rhino60 showed [Ts Tc] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: SmittyAKQJT (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: nikedunklowpro (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks

2/6/2010 5:14:32 PM