265 pages of /credibility

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"http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/montgomery_mark00.html that's my current vote for the next coach. this will probably change as i scour more teams' coaching rosters."

Nice find! I'll vote for him too

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 9:49 AM. Reason : ]

2/1/2011 9:47:52 AM

Montgomery, you say?

2/1/2011 9:52:06 AM

Not to allow excuses for the coach, but road wins in the ACC are obviously extremely difficult. And so far, 4 of our 7 ACC games have been away. Clearly we should have beaten Clemson. But we've played well at home and won our games with the exception of a top 5 Duke team.

Lowe's teams have traditionally played stronger the 2nd half of the season (except 2007-08). We still have 5 more home games left. If we win 4 out of 5 of those and beat Wake and UVA on the road, we'll finish .500 in the conference.

But realistically I don't see that happening. Virginia Tech will be tough to beat. UNC will be tough. UVA had a double-digit lead AT Duke - they could be tough. I think we'll be inspired to get payback vs. Clemson. We're capable of beating FSU - we did it twice last season (with Dennis Horner).

2/1/2011 10:56:12 AM

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"We're capable of beating FSU - we did it twice last season (with Dennis Horner) with Scott Wood going fucking bananas. "

There I fixed it for you.

2/1/2011 11:13:26 AM

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"Lowe addresses the problems, but is it too late? By Tim Hall After watching N.C. State's 20-point loss to North Carolina on Saturday, it's kind of tough to envision the Wolfpack getting up to play anyone right now. Even the upcoming road game in Winston-Salem is starting to become the furthest from a sure thing. The Pack were out-hustled, out-rebounded, out-defended, out-everything-ed against the Heels. And when asked what has to happen in order for his team to go on a late season run, Sidney Lowe boiled it down to "get a couple wins" and "scoring". But it's oh so much more than scoring the basketball. And ironic because it's little things that need to change for N.C. State to have any chance to improve it's 12-9 (2-6) record. And Lowe didn't forget to mention any of those little things on his radio show on Monday. He touched on defense, rebounding, even a blocking out drill that might drill some toughness into his team, which is something N.C. State needs. "We stayed on it all day....blocking out and banging and getting guys to really hit each other. What I tried to explain to them is if you don't do it against each other every single time, it's hard to turn it on in a game," Lowe said on his Wolfpack Sports Network radio show. "So you make each other better when we're doing it. They went at it pretty good. Two guys went out with a little bruise, so that was pretty good." Talk about a needed drill. It was almost to the point where N.C. State should be going through football practice without the pads to increase the toughness. But this is something. Accountability has been something that's missing. And yesterday Lowe mentioned Tracy Smith and Richard Howell for not being physical enough against UNC's big guys. "You have to put your body into them and use that strength to get them out of there. We didn't do that well," Lowe said. N.C. State fans probably will say that it's absurd to be practicing toughness at this stage of the season, but I would argue that the toughest teams go through loose ball and block-out drills all season long to remain....tough. I've still got to see an inspired performance out of the Wolfpack before I believe it. I stay put that NCAA Tournament hopes are completely lost. But at the very least the problems are recognized. "

2/1/2011 1:38:35 PM

2/1/2011 1:40:10 PM

hahahaha

2/1/2011 2:20:04 PM

that's actually pretty funny

2/1/2011 2:33:44 PM

haha well played

2/1/2011 3:29:50 PM

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"Nice find! I'll vote for him too"

excellent! let us begin an email campaign to tom izzo and debbie yow; promote this thing across the board.

2/1/2011 3:49:14 PM

Likelihood that we pull MSU grad coach away from school where he is having some degree of success....

2/10

2/1/2011 4:24:54 PM

Likelihood AstralEngine knows what he's talking about

2/10

2/1/2011 4:30:59 PM

why not 3/15?

2/1/2011 4:57:37 PM

posted in the recruiting thread.

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"I totally thought this article was gonna be about Sidney http://www.wralsportsfan.com/voices/blogpost/9032704/"

2/1/2011 5:53:25 PM

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"Likelihood that we stanford pull MSU duke grad coach away from school where he is having some degree of success.... 2/10"

yeah, that guy probably doesn't want to make ~$1m/year. i'm sure he'd rather wait for tom izzo to retire.

idiot.

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM. Reason : johnny dawkins says hi.]

2/1/2011 6:15:36 PM

I thought we all decided that our next coach should have some collegiate head coaching experience

2/1/2011 6:41:47 PM

Just curious, what would your guys' reaction be if we got Tubby?

2/1/2011 7:25:45 PM

I would be pretty 'meh'. But, we could do a shit ton worse. Fuck it, I'd be ecstatic.

2/1/2011 7:26:41 PM

^^^i thought all we needed was a coach who earned a degree at an offline university

2/1/2011 7:27:47 PM

Maybe Debbie Yow can ask Bill Self or Tom Izzo to serve as consultant in the next coaching search. If it goes anything like the last one we are golden.

2/1/2011 7:29:03 PM

^^^ that's kinda how I'd look at it. It'd be similar in some ways to O'Brien. Not super exciting or the high upside hire we might want but it's a pretty safe way to get us back to relevant. Plus, just as we'd start to get tired of him he'd be getting ready to retire anyway

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 7:30 PM. Reason : 3]

2/1/2011 7:29:52 PM

LOL at your last sentence. The timing would be perfect.

2/1/2011 7:32:20 PM

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"Not super exciting or the high upside hire we might want"

tubby smith, in his career, has made five sweet sixteens, three elite eights and won a fucking national title.

NOT ENOUGH UPSIDE.

2/1/2011 7:46:21 PM

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"Just curious, what would your guys' reaction be if we got Tubby?"

I'd be pretty pleased with that. I'd give that hire a B+, only because of the age factor. He probably wouldn't be here in 10 years...but hopefully after 7 or so years of him coaching we'd be at the level where we would be appealing to some top coaches.

2/1/2011 7:59:49 PM

I hate to break it to you, but we're not Kentucky

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM. Reason : tubby outside UK 3 S16s 30-31 conf. record at last job...i'd still take it, just saying]

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 8:29 PM. Reason : the more I think about him the more it's a no brainer, though. "upside" remark a jab at sfn crowd]

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 8:29 PM. Reason : provided he'd actually come, that is]

2/1/2011 8:15:24 PM

What are the chances we could steal the guy from Purdue? Painter, I think? Our new chancellor has ties to Purdue....just a thought. They are always in the top 25.

2/1/2011 9:58:21 PM

We have a 0% chance of landing any big name coach who isn't past his prime.

2/1/2011 9:59:05 PM

Matt Painter is a Purdue grad, he's not going anywhere.

Why do people keep bringing him up?

2/1/2011 10:01:05 PM

^^i tend to agree. if not 0%, certainly <10%

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 10:01 PM. Reason : k]

2/1/2011 10:01:11 PM

Someone earlier today asked about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Major. I gave them an "are you serious" look then laughed and laughed.

2/1/2011 10:06:32 PM

this is my favorite part on that page:

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"Major coached two of the least productive No. 1 overall picks in NBA draft history during his time as an assistant. At Pacific, Major worked with Michael Olowokandi who was the top pick in the 1998 draft. At Ohio State, Major was the big men coach when Greg Oden came to the school. Oden was the number one pick in the 2007 NBA Draft."

2/1/2011 10:10:06 PM

OMG YES GET THAT GUY

2/1/2011 10:20:03 PM

Each spring there are some mid-major names that boil to the surface in March, and some will come along. I think two A-10 coaches may be worth keeping on the radar screen along with Gregg Marshall from Wichita State.

Chris Mack, Xavier - 2nd season as a head coach, led Xavier to another Sweet 16 in his first year. Xavier has been a hotbed for up and coming coaches, he previously served on Skip Prosser and Sean Miller's staffs at Xavier/Wake Forest and Xavier. Still only 41.

Chris Mooney, Richmond - Has at least built Richmond up to being consistently in the upper tier of the Atlantic 10. 38 years old, played his college ball at Princeton.

2/1/2011 10:45:20 PM

Kevin Ollie

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 10:46 PM. Reason : i'm not serious, but I think he will be a hell of a college head coach one day]

2/1/2011 10:46:11 PM

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"I hate to break it to you, but we're not Kentucky"

so you want a coach that has won a title at a small time school? is that how specific your criteria is?

2/1/2011 10:53:17 PM

^^
If we are going to hire an NBA journeyman, it may as well be Chris Gatling.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=gatling&Team=&BeginDate=&EndDate=&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&submit=Search&start=0

2/1/2011 10:56:25 PM

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"Chris Mack, Xavier - 2nd season as a head coach, led Xavier to another Sweet 16 in his first year. Xavier has been a hotbed for up and coming coaches, he previously served on Skip Prosser and Sean Miller's staffs at Xavier/Wake Forest and Xavier. Still only 41. "

I have my doubts Mack would leave....and even more if I'd want him.

He took over a very very good program left by Miller. I'd like to see how his wins trend...not sure he'll be able to sustain Miller's success.

He's also an Xavier grad, and he genuinely sounds like he has no intentions of leaving Xavier.

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"Chris Mooney, Richmond - Has at least built Richmond up to being consistently in the upper tier of the Atlantic 10. 38 years old, played his college ball at Princeton. "

He runs the Princeton offense. Hell no.

2/1/2011 11:13:38 PM

so have they disbanded the basketball team yet?


mind numbing having to listen to the tarheel fans all day at work. well, there's always a chance to beat them in football

2/2/2011 11:50:54 AM

and i like lowe.. just not as a coach right now.

2/2/2011 11:51:24 AM

do yourself a favor: don't extract your self worth from state basketball's performance.

2/2/2011 12:04:15 PM

remember about 5 years ago they made the herb possible replacements thread? i just got that itch in my side that this thread will be created for lowe in a matter of weeks.

2/2/2011 12:13:11 PM

Past 5 years of ACC basketball

Standings
+---------+
| All other |
| ACC ......|
| teams ...|
|.............|
+---------+
| NCSU ....|
+---------+

[Edited on February 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM. Reason : alignments]

2/2/2011 12:16:47 PM

Since the recruiting thread has turned into the credibility watch thread, I'll ask this here.

What's the latest on the 2012 class?

2/2/2011 12:45:31 PM

Join the cause

Tubby to State http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Tubby-Smith-to-NC-State/123243221082800

2/2/2011 2:23:33 PM

no.

2/2/2011 2:24:07 PM

no

2/2/2011 2:25:58 PM

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"What's the latest on the 2012 class?"

In terms of what? Prospects? Would anyone leave if Lowe left?

Nothing we have committed is so amazing that it should hinder any possible coaching change, if that's what you're asking.

2/2/2011 2:29:23 PM

Exactly. It's not like we have can't miss prospects lined up.

2/2/2011 2:30:22 PM

no i don't care about a potential coaching change. i just figured i would make this the recruiting thread since the recruiting thread has turned into a coaching change thread.

2/2/2011 2:31:10 PM

as much as i'd love to have tubby smith, we don't need to embarrass ourselves again.

2/2/2011 3:38:29 PM