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I still don't think this means he can't win-- he's been outperforming so far. I think this shows if he DOES manage to win, he would be very unpredictable.

[Edited on February 22, 2016 at 10:27 PM. Reason : ]

2/22/2016 10:25:34 PM

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http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

Check out this graphic and compare it to results.

There's a lot of similarity between Donald Trump and Jeremy Corbyn.

If he hypothetically does win, he'll be pretty much the third president in the country's history that would serve as effectively an independent with neither party in Congress backing him it looks. The first two were promoted vice presidents: John Tyler and Andrew Johnson, the latter one vote away from being convicted of impeachment.

[Edited on February 24, 2016 at 10:50 AM. Reason : .]

2/24/2016 10:40:46 AM

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The higher favorability ratings for Cruz and Rubio are going to translate into primary wins any day now...

2/24/2016 7:29:05 PM

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^ any day now...

Please be true please be true please be true - http://gawker.com/no-one-wants-to-sit-next-to-ted-cruz-1761132968

2/24/2016 7:47:49 PM

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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/shift-marco-rubio-attacks-donald-trump-name-ahead-debate-n525341

Rubio is attacking Trump, but this line of attack doesn't seem like it will be fruitful. You can't attack Trump on policy, you have to attack him on character. They need to really start treating him like a reality TV star, IMO.

People don't like Trump because of his policy, they like him because of his style. Trump doesn't have a firm policy platform anyway...

2/24/2016 11:45:32 PM

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Yes, but how? I agree, but there has yet to be a successful critique of Trump that seems to have had any net effect on his numbers. He's basically the Come At Me Bro meme personified. Cruz went head to head with him in an effective manner at the last debate and Trump just kept getting louder and louder and louder. We'll see what happens tonight, but I'm not putting much faith in the guy who almost had a meltdown when Christie prodded him slightly being able to withstand a full frontal Trump assault - especially now that Jeb! won't be on the stage to draw Trump's fire.

2/25/2016 7:00:55 AM

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^ i think hammering home he's a reality TV star, this is his business. This is where most of his wealth is. Comparing his pedigree to Paris Hilton, comparing his bombast to Kanye West, mocking and bullying him like he mocks others. No one has given him a taste of his own medicine. Make fun of him being a daddy's boy that was born with a silver spoon. Being laughingly dismissive and mocking of him. Trump has a really thin skin, they should try to push him into a tantrum on live TV, and do so continuously.

The other angle that might work is manipulating his supporters' insecurities. Trump has no problem saying "people or Iowa are stupid" even when he's trying to get their votes. I don't think it would be damaging for a Rubio or Cruz to say "Trump supporters are stupid-- they're supporting the Paris Hilton of politics, who can't close a business deal with bankruptcy, you can't declare bankruptcy when dealing with Putin and bail out" or something along those lines.


I've been trying to give conservatives the benefit of the doubt more on their racism, they don't make it easy, but this seems true to me:
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" While conservatism has perfectly non-racist basis in theory — and a great many people subscribe to it without harboring racial motives of either the open or the covert kind — it is simply a fact that white racial fears supply a large proportion of real-world Republican votes. "

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/trump-represents-conservatives-not-conservatism.html

2/25/2016 12:54:07 PM

GoldieO
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Well looks like Cruz reads TWW - just dropped the Celebrity Apprentice bomb on Trump's face!

2/25/2016 8:56:41 PM

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I can barely comprehend how there is still a sizable enough chunk of the population who are perfectly ok with what's going on on that stage right now

2/25/2016 9:39:09 PM

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Perhaps it is because on the other stage you have a complete fraud and a socialist? The fact that anyone can support any of these clowns is incredible.

2/25/2016 9:57:09 PM

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there is no comparison between those two and this bunch

2/25/2016 10:10:32 PM

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Just because the other two in your mind are less shitty doesn't make them not shitty. People continually accepting a turd sandwich and a giant douche doesn't provide much motivation for anything else.

2/25/2016 10:12:20 PM

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hope that one day I can live in a world in which that South Park ep isn't mentioned on a regular basis

2/25/2016 10:17:59 PM

skywalkr
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They sure know how to make an episode that lasts over the years

2/25/2016 10:25:15 PM

GoldieO
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What would the Donald do if the moderator couldn't bail him out by going to Kasich every time he said something inane?

2/25/2016 10:36:51 PM

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If you haven't seen the Donald's numbers, I don't think he needs much bailing out right now. He's Peyton-Bagging nearly every single GOP primary.

2/26/2016 12:14:34 AM

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So Rubio should start to pull away from Cruz after that

2/26/2016 5:29:53 AM

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He definitely would if only the media voted. But, one moment you won't see getting much replay today was the telemundo reporter calling out Rubio in espanol for his claim Cruz lied about what he said with Jorge Ramos. Very strong question and one I was surprised hadn't been asked sooner. Immigration dominated the first hour of the debate and that is still the reason Rubio is not gaining with Cruz or Trump voters.

2/26/2016 6:28:00 AM

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I don't understand why the media has a definite anti-Trump Spin. Cruz is the absolute worst thing that could happen to this country unless you own an oil company or are a god-fearing bible bumper that wants to enact Christian Shar'ia law on the nation and are more worried about gays getting married then petty issues like:

-crim justice reform
-the economy
- our crumbling infrastructure
etc.

2/26/2016 11:09:49 AM

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Some would argue your redudant use of sharia and law is the the worst thing to happen to this country.

2/26/2016 11:34:56 AM

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^^ Cruz could pretty much never win the general. While he's pretty nuts, he's not a real threat.

Trump however is a threat, and has already done significant damage.

2/26/2016 11:36:31 AM

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shit's getting real[er] - http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/26/chris-christie-endorses-donald-trump/

[Edited on February 26, 2016 at 2:02 PM. Reason : V yah that was a blast. good to see marco land a few punches finally]

2/26/2016 1:51:34 PM

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I watched the debate and had a great time. For me it was more entertainment than it was a typical debate. People throwing quips at each other back and forth, some landing hard and some returned with a better quip. I just sat there, had two beers, and enjoyed it more than most things I've seen on TV recently.

2/26/2016 1:52:58 PM

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"I'd expect the Trump endorsement before the SC debate this Saturday."


So my timing was a little off on the prediction, but no surprise Christie endorsed Trump today.

Examples of endorsements that have actually made a difference though? Anyone on here ever been swayed by an endorsement?

2/26/2016 2:01:47 PM

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I like how the debates don't really involve discussing real issues but is more of a wrestling match of words between candidates. Is there any correlation to being a good "debater" and actually being a good president?

2/26/2016 2:20:42 PM

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Depends on whether you think he was a good president, but I'd submit Lincoln. Been boning up on the Lincoln/Douglas debates recently as a palate cleanser to our modern "debates" and just puts in perspective how far we've fallen. Can you imagine the twitterverse if two guys just sat on a stage orating for 60 mins, then 90 mins, then 30 more mins? None of us can pay attention to anything for three straight hours anymore thanks to the internet. I blame TWW and Obama.

[Edited on February 26, 2016 at 3:00 PM. Reason : ...]

2/26/2016 3:00:05 PM

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GOP donor elites hate Trump bc he's too moderate, not bc he's racist or a loose cannon.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&referer=https://t.co/e2C94lzQRI

https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/703614821342846976

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&referer=https://t.co/e2C94lzQRI

McConnell planning for trump vs Hillary general, will attack trump in the general to help secure congressional seats.

[Edited on February 27, 2016 at 1:01 PM. Reason : ]

2/27/2016 12:55:45 PM

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If the party does split in two, anyone think it will happen after tomorrow?

Also, in light of endorsements, Trump/Christie in November? If Trump is running in November, he needs someone to be VP.

[Edited on February 29, 2016 at 8:35 AM. Reason : .]

2/29/2016 8:30:49 AM

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It's too late to stop the Trump train. Kasich is staying in either because he thinks the convention will be brokered by him stealing away votes from Rubio or Trump will make him VP because he's been stealing votes away from Rubio.

I won't be surprised if Trump sweeps tomorrow.

2/29/2016 8:34:48 AM

Flyin Ryan
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Last poll I saw did show Cruz winning Texas, which for PR reasons he has to do to just stay in the race.

2/29/2016 8:36:47 AM

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I read on Twitter that Trump plans to call the race over after tomorrow and stop showing up for debates? He got raked over the coals pretty bad during the last debate almost seems like a sensible move for him. Probably can only hurt himself from here on out by talking rather than help himself.

2/29/2016 8:58:12 AM

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^ Saw that fr Bill Kristol too. Could be true, but could also be Kristol/establishment attempting to bait Trump into another debate before OH & FL votes to give Rubio/Cruz one more tag team on him. Agree it would make sense for Trump to skip the debate this week barring some unforeseen wins by Rubio or Cruz somewhere other than TX - haven't seen any other polling indicating Trump will lose anywhere else tomorrow.

2/29/2016 10:15:42 AM

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HAHAHAHAHA CRUZ wins oklahoma

they will never get him out now.

3/1/2016 9:30:29 PM

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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/01/upshot/super-tuesday-live-republican-delegate-estimates.html?_r=0

Pretty bad night for the GOP. Cruz doing better than darling Rubio, trump crushing everyone, Rubio just under the threshold to get any delegates.

At the least, we can all say we're living through a very transformational time in American politics. Hopefully we aren't transforming into our demise...

To think, if just a few more people in Florida had voted in 2000, things could have gone very differently.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 10:26 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2016 10:13:09 PM

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Donald Trump is the best thing that has happened to the republican party.

He has shown blatantly how this election cycle is not an election. It is a reality show. This needs to be a slap in the face to idiot americans. Americans have done this to ourselves.

I want to be optimistic that if Trump does get the nomination and does win the white house that he immediately gets to business and drops all of this crap... and calls himself out.

I'm trying to be optimistic for this nation. it's hard.

3/1/2016 10:33:32 PM

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http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/super-tuesday-primaries-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-23926579

In an era where the proportion of white people are dropping, the new trump GOP is almost entirely white. This really could evolve into a white nationalist party in coming years, but this is surely a losing battle, without drastic actions while white peoples are still a big majority...

3/1/2016 10:43:32 PM

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3/1/2016 10:45:48 PM

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god even the fox news coverage tonight... they are making fun of ALL of the candidates (that have a chance to win now)

3/1/2016 10:55:47 PM

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I already have several commitments to write me in for president because I can't be any worse than trump or Clinton. Anyone else care to join because we are already fucked.

3/1/2016 10:59:44 PM

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Fox news coverage... they were talking about a VP candidate to run with Trump. Dennis Rodman was the one they agreed upon the most.

3/1/2016 11:01:28 PM

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[Edited on March 2, 2016 at 12:13 AM. Reason : J]

3/2/2016 12:11:44 AM

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I'm wondering how many Cruz voters would go trump and how many would go Rubio of Cruz dropped, and the same if Rubio dropped.

CRuz dropping probably helps trump more Id guess.

3/2/2016 12:33:14 AM

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I strongly concur more Cruz voters would vote Trump than Rubio based on a lot of internet research. As a Cruz supporter I would prefer the remaining candidates drop, or at least Kasich and Carson, so we can have a clear contrast between 2-3 remaining candidates, but it appears that isn't going to happen before March 15. My question for Rubio supporters continues to be, even assuming he wins FL - a big assumption at this point - then what? What other states can he win? You can't have a "brokered" convention with MN and FL, at least Reagan won 23 states back in 1976 for comparison since the talking heads keep throwing that one out there.

3/2/2016 5:57:32 AM

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He has shown blatantly how this election cycle is not an election. It is a reality show. This needs to be a slap in the face to idiot americans. REPUBLICANS. Americans REPUBLICANS have done this to ourselves.
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FIXED


The first step on the path to recovery is admitting where the problem really lies

3/2/2016 6:39:35 AM

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So, time for Bloomberg to throw his name in the hat?

3/2/2016 9:07:33 AM

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So, looks like Carson is out of the debate on Thursday, though he hasn't announced that he is outt of the race. Which is just weird.

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"I do not see a political path forward in light of last evening’s Super Tuesday primary results,” Carson said in a statement. “However, this grassroots movement on behalf of ‘We the People’ will continue."

3/2/2016 2:48:02 PM

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He's gone, and will announce that Friday.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/drumpfinator/hcimhbfpiofdihhdnofbdlhjcmjopilp

3/2/2016 3:24:36 PM

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Any predictions for the debate tonight?

3/3/2016 9:57:54 AM

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Arguing, lies and wild gesticulating.

3/3/2016 10:18:31 AM

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^^ Desperation setting in for Rubio after Tuesday, Cruz making it known he's going to compete hard in FL, and the NY Mag article about even Fox News dropping him now. He could officially malfunction on stage. I also think Trump is going to keep his presidential act going tonight and try to avoid any of his previous antics and insults. Sen. Cruz, of course, will continue to outperform everyone on stage as well as being the best dressed and most handsome. John Kasich will say words and annoy people.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/marco-rubio-just-lost-fox-news.html

3/3/2016 11:10:08 AM

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