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BanjoMan
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This just goes to show how money corrupts. It makes you soft and fat, but gives you a mighty throne to sit on.

12/20/2012 3:44:52 PM

ctnz71
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I knew it was going to be a joke when they emphasized in the beginning of the meeting that it was strictly academic and not athletic

12/20/2012 4:34:12 PM

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I knew it would be a joke on page 1 of this thread.

12/20/2012 4:49:18 PM

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I think the NC State and ABC fanbase needs to mobilize on twitter. Please use #UNCheat and #UNC in all your twitter posts. Contact national writers with posts mentioning Dan Kane's articles too...

12/20/2012 5:25:17 PM

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Yeah, expected as much.

What a joke.

12/20/2012 6:03:07 PM

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ibkdth (kane drops the hammer)

12/20/2012 6:13:30 PM

ctnz71
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Kane been too quiet on twitter... He's cranking something out

12/20/2012 6:47:04 PM

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Dirty Dan done dirt cheap.

12/20/2012 7:40:36 PM

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http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/12/21/2559161/martins-unc-report-notable-for.html

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"• He got no information from the people he holds responsible – former African studies chairman Julius Nyang’oro and his assistant, Deborah Crowder. He said he placed phone calls to them, but he isn’t sure whether they got his messages. He said he checked some of their email messages, but that he did not review phone logs.

• Martin did not interview any current or former basketball players or coaches. He interviewed two former football players and two former football coaches, including past head coach John Bunting. Martin said he didn’t think he would learn information from talking to others that hadn’t been obtained elsewhere already or wasn’t already known.

• Martin’s review did not include inspection of individual student transcripts. Auditors said they gathered data that would have included compilations of that information.

• He gave only brief mention to questions of plagiarism after the work of at least four football players made public has been shown to have been the heavily copied work of others. “This review was not intended to make academic judgments about whether plagiarism occurred …” his report says.

• Martin did not spend much time in his report on the rigor of classes, saying his work was not set up to “opine on the difficulty or quality of the courses offered and instructed at the university.”

• Martin said he did not study the actual work of students in the courses he identified as irregular. He said the university’s records-retention policy keeps term papers for only one year. Martin noted in his report that an earlier university review of suspect classes had not found instances of students receiving grades without doing work, but that was “an aspect that was outside the scope of this review.”

Martin’s report was received warmly by many members of the university trustees and the Board of Governors panel. Joy Renner, chair of the faculty athletics committee, said the data make clear that the problems were limited to one department.
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Meta-irony here.

12/21/2012 5:24:17 PM

BanjoMan
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This is just how the world works. The golden child gets the slap on the wrist, and the other guy gets the hammer.

12/21/2012 5:38:52 PM

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"Ohhh, ohhh, unbeleiveable can't believe it, they do things the right wayy babayy"

12/21/2012 5:40:53 PM

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http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/12/21/2560082/the-many-maddening-failures-of.html

Prof Jay Smith eviscerating the report.

12/22/2012 10:35:52 AM

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Smith is right. Total bullshit report

12/22/2012 11:39:37 AM

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"Pat McCrory · 41,288 like this.
Yesterday at 16:58 ·
I just reviewed former Governor Martin's report and the results are troubling. It’s not just academic fraud but fraud against the public. It can’t be tolerated. We must ensure future administrations and their boards are held accountable and that our students are getting a sound education while protecting North Carolina tax dollars."


https://www.facebook.com/GovernorPat/posts/10151144165911949

[Edited on December 22, 2012 at 11:51 PM. Reason : Pl like and comment...]

12/22/2012 11:50:52 PM

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I'm surprised they haven't found a way to get rid of Smith yet.

12/23/2012 9:54:55 AM

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damn, kinda surprised at mccroy's statement

12/23/2012 11:56:23 AM

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"Independent studies and “paper” courses were created, and made available to many non-athletes, for the purpose of helping athletes boost their GPAs under the guise of participation in a legitimate curriculum.

Martin says he was “unable to discern a clear motive” for fraud. Some would say that he was unwilling to acknowledge the most obvious one."


-Jay Smith

12/23/2012 9:49:06 PM

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12/26/2012 3:50:29 PM

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"@baileyjb85: Dan Kane wished me Marry Christmas after I called him a douche on twitter ???? Best gift ever ???? Thanks @dankanenando ???????? #TarheelNation"

12/26/2012 4:18:09 PM

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????????????

12/26/2012 4:43:01 PM

Lionheart
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New Kane. I'm not saying the Martin Report is a conspiracy to cover up but they sure are doing everything in their power to make it seem that way

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/12/29/2572848/minutes-dont-confirm-martin-report.html

[Edited on December 30, 2012 at 2:52 AM. Reason : Link]

12/30/2012 2:52:02 AM

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^I think it is pretty obviously a cover up FWIW.

12/30/2012 9:24:51 AM

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I don't get why Jim Martin was picked to lead a fraud investigation. As far as I know, he doesn't have a background in that type of work. I'm guessing Baker Tilly did the work and he just signed his name to it.

12/30/2012 10:36:25 AM

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That looks... bad...

Nothing will come of it. UNC's continual push for the Officer Barbrady approach and the NCAA's natural reluctance to go after championship teams will eventually prevail.

If any other school in the UNC system had committed this level of cheating+cover up their athletic programs would be cratered by the BoG.

12/30/2012 10:40:22 AM

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Something drastic needs to be done on the ground level.

If every institution on unc schedules for all sports could get together and agree to just not play against unc. They would have no athletic department. No high school students would want to play there. TV Money would eventually stop going to the university.

This is the only way to send a message and uphold the integrity of college athletics.

"The Univerity of North Carolina has failed to provide an environment of academic and athletic intergrity. The corruptive influence reaches to the penalizing entity of the NCAA and the NC State government. Since thier influence prevents them from being held accountable for their misdoings, we choose to enact our final form of power. We choose to take a stand a refuse to acknowledge the University of North Carolina as an acredited instituion in which to compete against."

Sincerely,
unc's next opponent

12/30/2012 11:41:36 AM

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forgot to post it when it was new but also didnt see it here

UNC blocking Butch to FIU

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21460811/report-butch-davis-hire-at-fiu-stalled-by-contract-dispute

12/30/2012 12:24:44 PM

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"Crowder had close ties to the basketball team. She has been in a longtime relationship with a former basketball player, and Martin’s investigation found that in 2008, she had received $100,000 and some Hummel figurines from the estate of the father of a close friend who was the former academic adviser to basketball players until shortly before her death in 2004. Martin’s report said the gift was in exchange for taking care of the father’s dogs, and Martin said he did not see anything suspicious in it.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/12/29/2572848/minutes-dont-confirm-martin-report.html#storylink=cpy"

12/30/2012 2:05:07 PM

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^ thats the most damning piece of news yet. $100k is close to Cam Newton and Anthony Davis money.

12/30/2012 2:19:59 PM

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"Something drastic needs to be done on the ground level.

If every institution on unc schedules for all sports could get together and agree to just not play against unc. They would have no athletic department. No high school students would want to play there. TV Money would eventually stop going to the university.

This is the only way to send a message and uphold the integrity of college athletics. "


well that's the dumbest fucking thing I'll read all week

12/30/2012 2:22:40 PM

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College athletics is actually a great example of trickle down economics. The money comes in at the University level and trickles down to the athletes who generate the most revenue.

The Cam Newtons, Jabari Parkers, and Anthony Davis types get huge checks and the "regulators" look the other way. Kinda like the relationship between finance and government.

12/30/2012 2:54:34 PM

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Trolling on twitter and this came up

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"@thdude12345: @wcbraleigh @delmarheel @dankanenando kane's only success is worship by #NCDeadLastSU fans. Nobody takes him seriously outside wake county."



NCDeadLastSU??? Lol

12/30/2012 5:43:20 PM

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#NC2ndPlaceSU

12/30/2012 5:47:01 PM

ctnz71
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What's the last sport we were last in? I feel like it may be volleyball a few years back

12/30/2012 6:04:45 PM

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It sure as hell wasn't bass fishin'

12/30/2012 6:06:55 PM

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Basketball? Were we ever actually last or just "worst record over the last 3-4 years" or whatever

12/30/2012 6:07:03 PM

aaronburro
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Do we need to go back to the years of the Les Robinson Invitational?

12/30/2012 8:49:51 PM

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Was at a party at a local politician's house last night who's also a ram's club tool. He and his yes men kept talking about the investigation. They all acknowledged that this was getting bad. They were most concerned with the bad pub. They mentioned that a member of the McClatchy news paper clan was there and that money was being thrown in that direction to soften the verbage against UNC.

Also another major talking point was their overwhelming concern that unc just wasn't being given the benifit of the doubt on any front. Its like they just keep expecting to be given a pass. They all said how they couldn't wait for this to blow over......like it was really just going to disappear.

1/1/2013 10:18:06 AM

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That's exactly what's going to happen.

1/1/2013 11:33:35 AM

DROD900
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Welp, add killpups to the face, aaronburro ignore list

1/1/2013 11:36:19 AM

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from the 28th

http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/opinion/columnists/scott-mooneyham-martin-report-unc-scandal-avoids-central-question-1597491

1/2/2013 1:32:31 PM

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http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/01/02/2579556/jim-martin-we-found-what-we-could.html

Lol

1/2/2013 5:56:36 PM

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"56. The NCAA's attempt to insert itself here is so inconsistent with its
prior conduct in similar situations that it can be seen only as a clumsy attempt to
garner positive publicity for itself by harming a competitive member school. There
are a number of publicly reported examples of criminal conduct by college athletes
where the university leadership is alleged to have covered up or enabled the crimes
and the NCAA did little, if anything, about it:
(a) In 2003, when one Baylor University basketball player
murdered another, secretly recorded audiotapes revealed that the team's
coach tried to cover up the allegations by telling assistant coaches and
players to lie to investigators and say the slain player had been dealing drugs
to pay for school. Although the NCAA imposed penalties for competition-
related violations, such as the payments by the coaching staff to athletes, it
imposed no penalties relating to the murder and cover-up.
(b) In 2010, a University of Virginia men's lacrosse player
murdered his former girlfriend, who played for the women's lacrosse team.
The victim's mother has alleged in a lawsuit that the university, its athletic
director, and its lacrosse coaches ignored the perpetrator's erratic behavior,
including multiple alcohol-related arrests, frequent intoxication, and attacks
on another female university athlete. The NCAA has not taken action
against the University of Virginia.
(c) The U.S. Department of Justice has alleged that the University
of Montana failed to investigate or prosecute numerous allegations of rape
by Montana football players. The NCAA has not taken action against the
University of Montnaa.
(d) A recent internal investigation at the University of North
Carolina revealed massive academic fraud, including unauthorized grade
chnages by forged signatures, and classes in which no instruction took place;
approximately forty percent of the students enrolled in these classes were
football nad basketball players. In August 2012, one month after
sanctioning Penn State, the NCAA took the public position that none of the
alleged conduct violated NCAA rules.


"


From Penn State's lawsuit against the NCAA...



[Edited on January 2, 2013 at 6:59 PM. Reason : Popcorn gif...]

1/2/2013 6:41:33 PM

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^^So Gov. Martin basically says that after some brief difficulty dealing with Jay Smith, Gov. Martin stopped talking to him? Wasn't it your job to grill the faculty and make their life difficult not the other way around?

[Edited on January 2, 2013 at 6:47 PM. Reason : Clarification]

1/2/2013 6:45:48 PM

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Who's going to take a lawsuit seriously with typos

1/2/2013 7:01:08 PM

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^^ The NCAA is supposed to intervene when universities conveniently fire/ retire possible guilty parties so that they are not compelled to talk. The NCAA is supposedly able to punish for perceived guilt (if you fire a key witness and lawyer them up as is the case with all the key UNC figures) they are supposed to assume guilt.

1/2/2013 8:08:11 PM

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apparently all the NCAA really cares about is players getting paid

1/2/2013 10:23:48 PM

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I'm glad that selling extra sneakers is worse than wholesale academic fraud at the flagship university.

Maybe Dan Kane or Jay Smith can write a book about it. It would probably be more factual than Personal Fouls. It would probably still get nothing done, because of the double standard in the UNC system.

1/3/2013 9:37:46 AM

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http://blogs.newsobserver.com/iteam/former-gov-martins-letter-on-red-flags-over-no-show-classes-and-what-the-record-shows

1/3/2013 1:35:58 PM

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"The dog ate the Meeting Minutes"

1/3/2013 1:46:45 PM

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Lol the dudes wife hung up the phone.

1/3/2013 2:27:55 PM

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