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3/2/2016 1:31:12 PM

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"I tutored kids at an after school facility off Martin Luther King downtown so I don't need to "go ask one." I was at the boy's fourth grade table and honestly they didn't really need tutoring so much as a place to sit down and just do homework before going outside to play. They were smart and were in a similar economic position I was in growing up. "

I think you're suffering from this effect:
https://hbr.org/2015/10/its-harder-to-empathize-with-people-if-youve-been-in-their-shoes

But that boy is going to be more harshly disciplined by teachers than his white peers, this is going to discourage him throughout school and even when he goes to apply for his low-wage job, he's going to be less likely to get it than a white person with his same background/credentials.

So yeah, you're observed that black kids have just as much potency and potential as white kids, but we know from studies and statistics that even this being the case, they don't get equal outcomes.

Systemic biases from employers and teachers, who aren't necessarily "rawr I hate blacks", but have prejudices accumulate from childhood to adulthood to result in cyclical poverty or other issues, even if someone makes "good choices".

This isn't a 1950s problem, it's a 2016 problem, and using "well they didn't make good choices" as an excuse to dismiss the fact that even with the same choices, there's different outcomes doesn't help.

This is why quota-based affirmative action is a failure of a policy. It assumes just putting 2 people at a spot will solve the problem, but it doesn't. We need to build the communities back up so they can get to the spot on their own, and this requires more thinking and effort and resources that just creating a quota-- which is why it wasn't done 60 years ago.

3/2/2016 1:36:31 PM

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"off Martin Luther King"

Just say 'in the hood'

3/2/2016 1:40:55 PM

hey jtdenny, where do you think inequality comes from / what causes inequality?

3/2/2016 1:45:17 PM

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"But that boy is going to be more harshly disciplined by teachers than his white peers, this is going to discourage him throughout school and even when he goes to apply for his low-wage job, he's going to be less likely to get it than a white person with his same background/credentials. So yeah, you're observed that black kids have just as much potency and potential as white kids, but we know from studies and statistics that even this being the case, they don't get equal outcomes. Systemic biases from employers and teachers, who aren't necessarily "rawr I hate blacks", but have prejudices accumulate from childhood to adulthood to result in cyclical poverty or other issues, even if someone makes "good choices". This isn't a 1950s problem, it's a 2016 problem, and using "well they didn't make good choices" as an excuse to dismiss the fact that even with the same choices, there's different outcomes doesn't help. This is why quota-based affirmative action is a failure of a policy. It assumes just putting 2 people at a spot will solve the problem, but it doesn't. We need to build the communities back up so they can get to the spot on their own, and this requires more thinking and effort and resources that just creating a quota-- which is why it wasn't done 60 years ago."

I agree with building communities up and part of that I think should involve more police which is why I think BLM is wrong in that aspect. Identifying the poor life choices people make is not an excuse but is a major reason for poverty. More so than the individuals out there that are racially biased, we know assholes exist. As far as being harshly disciplined, I disagree. When I acted out in grade school, I was disciplined pretty harshly such as after school work and even a paddle, and then I was disciplined at home. I think that made me a more responsible person.

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"hey jtdenny, where do you think inequality comes from / what causes inequality? "

Which kind of inequality are you asking about?

3/2/2016 2:03:53 PM

the inequality you acknowledged on the previous page, what caused it?

3/2/2016 2:06:19 PM

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"poor life choices"

3/2/2016 2:07:18 PM

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"even when he goes to apply for his low-wage job, he's going to be less likely to get it than a white person with his same background/credentials."

Yea I don't think I've ever seen a black person work a low-wage job before.

3/2/2016 2:08:28 PM

FALSE NARRATIVE STRAWMAN

3/2/2016 2:13:09 PM

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"The problem is the past treatment of blacks and the current systemic racism in many systems of our country. It should really be framed as the black disadvantage. I should not feel, or be pressured into feeling. as though I am to blame and that I need to give something up."

The most important thing you you and many others should "give" is understanding and empathy.

3/2/2016 2:21:45 PM

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" As far as being harshly disciplined, I disagree"

LOL, it doesn't matter if "you disagree", do you realize this? Your opinion doesn't supersede the studies on this issue that show this definitely does happen. I can anecdotally say I've personally witnessed it many times, since you like anecdotes so much.

3/2/2016 2:22:50 PM

but he thinks so

[Edited on March 2, 2016 at 2:26 PM. Reason : so, you know]

3/2/2016 2:25:59 PM

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"The most important thing you you and many others should "give" is understanding and empathy."

this. a million times this.

I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for so many people.

3/2/2016 2:38:53 PM

^ I'm sure that is what will help close a disparity of wealth.

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""So if there is one poor white person and one poor black person, how does the white person benefit from privilege?""

So White privilege is being less likely to get suspended from school?

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"Notice how any time specifics are mentioned Moron retreats?"

3/2/2016 3:20:00 PM

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"So White privilege is being less likely to get suspended from school? "

Yes, among many, many other things.

3/2/2016 3:27:20 PM

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"The most important thing you you and many others should "give" is understanding and empathy."

Uh, that's what I said. Well, I didn't explicitly say empathy, but it's not a stretch to assume that can be wrapped up with what I said.

3/2/2016 3:31:29 PM

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"Yes, among many, many other things."

Which specific study are you referencing? If we are simply looking at "black students get suspended more" wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest they misbehave more, likely because they are more likely to come from single parent homes?

Also what are the other things? In 2016 the best indicator of systemic bias I've seen referenced so far is the resume name test. There haven't been any other real specific references. So if that is all there is I think 2016 society is doing a great job.

[Edited on March 2, 2016 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2016 3:41:12 PM

https://csgjusticecenter.org/youth/breaking-schools-rules-report/

Here ya go.

I'd also like to throw in a fuck hillary clinton on this post as well.

[Edited on March 2, 2016 at 3:51 PM. Reason : ]

3/2/2016 3:47:51 PM

^^ we've covered this already here:
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=645750

3/2/2016 4:02:17 PM

^he doesn't read the posts in this thread. You expect him to read another thread? lol

3/2/2016 4:10:55 PM

I dont think he reads in general

3/2/2016 4:17:08 PM

Clearly he's spending quite a bit of time reading through the study he requested.

[Edited on March 2, 2016 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ]

3/2/2016 4:21:37 PM

Looks like the officer than killed Gunn in Alabama was charged ...

http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2016/03/montgomery_police_officer_char_1.html

3/2/2016 4:32:29 PM

Cool fear spreadin bro

3/2/2016 4:45:10 PM

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" If we are simply looking at "black students get suspended more" wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest they misbehave more"

dude keeps using this awful logic, still hasn't figured out the problem with it

3/2/2016 5:21:55 PM

I get it guyz!!!
If you are black then you are alleviated from responsibility for your poor choices and criminal behavior. After all someone's great grandpa couldn't get a mortgage, someone calls you the N-word, and there is a conspiracy to hold African-Americans down thus criminal behavior is just a natural reaction to such oppression.

3/2/2016 7:37:19 PM

That's a logical fallacy know as a non Sequitur.

3/2/2016 7:41:15 PM

Being that single-parent homes keep getting brought up:

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"Maybe compare the single motherhood rate of 1950 to today's(black or white, since poverty is not exclusive to black people)."

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"Which specific study are you referencing? If we are simply looking at "black students get suspended more" wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest they misbehave more, likely because they are more likely to come from single parent homes?"

Are you not realizing that one of the reasons there are so many single-parent homes in the black community is due to the systemically racist policies, chiefly around drug offenses, that cause so many 18-35 black men to be in jail that it's close to becoming a lost generation?

3/2/2016 8:08:31 PM

Quite circular

3/2/2016 8:59:54 PM

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"Yes, I do. But I think you might be more racist than you think. Can you answer the question? Why do you think inequality exists?"

Sorry, I missed this entirely and I looked, still not sure which type of inequality you are asking about. Not that I would even want to continue an argument with an asshole who calls people racist for no reason. However intelligent you may be, you are an awful person for that.

3/2/2016 9:33:52 PM

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"inequality does exist, i wouldn't want to prevent anyone from learning that we probably disagree on why it exists"

3/2/2016 9:40:54 PM

Ok, I think there are more black players than white players in the NBA because the teams hire the most talented basketball players

3/2/2016 10:30:59 PM

if you're going to go there, why tiptoe around it?

3/2/2016 10:39:41 PM

I'm glad we're using a sample of 400 people, 100+ of whom are not American, as a comparison for race relations in a nation of 300 million.

3/2/2016 11:54:17 PM

jtdenny is sooo close to going 100% full racist

don't hold back dude, tell us more about the differences between blacks and whites and how that caused inequality

3/3/2016 6:12:16 AM

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"Ok, I think there are more black players than white players in the NBA because the teams hire the most talented basketball players"

SJW will be confused as to whether this causes them to be triggered or not. On one hand you use the phrase "hire the most talented" which is an automatic trigger. But then the context is basketball and lack of whites so that counters the trigger.

In the future please refrain from anything ambiguous like this. It needs to trigger or cause a smug feeling in the SJW.

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"I'm glad we're using a sample of 400 people, 100+ of whom are not American, as a comparison for race relations in a nation of 300 million."

Well if the Oscars are fair game then the NBA should be too. In fact the NBA would be a much worse case of racism since only 3 white players have "earned" the MVP out of 30.

[Edited on March 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM. Reason : edit]

3/3/2016 8:25:52 AM

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"jtdenny is sooo close to going 100% full racist don't hold back dude, tell us more about the differences between blacks and whites and how that caused inequality "

So add another ignorant dickhead to the list of people who discredits them self. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are racist. Hoping people make the best decisions for their lives and not blaming the outcomes on imaginary forces that do not exist does not make someone a racist. It makes you the worst kind of person there is for suggesting that, the worst enemy for the people you think you want to help and probably mentally disabled. I shouldn't even have to explain to you that I do not think there are differences between black people and white people, there are just people who make bad choices and then there are people who do not. There are successful white and black people who picked themselves up and made better lives for themselves.

Inequality is a reality, it is not evil or racist. It is a consequence of choices free people are allowed to make and I'm not going to give anyone a pass or blame an entire race for someone's problems.

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"Are you not realizing that one of the reasons there are so many single-parent homes in the black community is due to the systemically racist policies, chiefly around drug offenses, that cause so many 18-35 black men to be in jail that it's close to becoming a lost generation?"

Here is an article that briefly cover's a connection between single mothers and men who are either drug criminals or other kinds of criminals.

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"https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/12/18/the-unbelievable-rise-of-single-motherhood-in-america-over-the-last-50-years/"

So apparently since the civil rights movement, America is more racist now than it was 50 years ago if you think racism is a cause for higher single motherhood for black people than white people. And GASP, maybe the criminals are criminals because they live in a free society and chose to be criminals when they could have chosen not to. For whatever excuse you want to give people of any race, if you completely leave out the fact that people do this shit to themselves then you are delusional.

3/3/2016 10:06:00 AM

You still haven't explained why you think inequality exists... except vague statements that seems to imply that white people are just better at succeeding and blacks are better at being irresponsible. Correct me if I misinterpreted your vague statements.

[Edited on March 3, 2016 at 10:12 AM. Reason : ]

3/3/2016 10:11:12 AM

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"You still haven't explained why you think inequality exists... except vague statements that seems to imply that white people are just better at succeeding and blacks are better at being irresponsible. Correct me if I misinterpreted your vague statements. "

Yeah you did. Who says white people are better at succeeding? There are more poor white people. Of course the fact that there are poor white people suggest there is a hole in the "white privilege" idea.

3/3/2016 10:15:31 AM

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"Of course the fact that there are poor white people suggest there is a hole in the "white privilege" idea. "

WEAK SAUCE ALERT

3/3/2016 10:17:34 AM

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"Well if the Oscars are fair game then the NBA should be too. In fact the NBA would be a much worse case of racism since only 3 white players have "earned" the MVP out of 30. "

seriously?

3/3/2016 10:18:33 AM

^^^Evading the question again. Come on man, give us a straight answer.

[Edited on March 3, 2016 at 10:19 AM. Reason : ]

3/3/2016 10:18:53 AM

he said its because there are more black NBA players, duh. what more explanation do you need?

3/3/2016 10:21:47 AM

^^ You know he *really* wants to answer it truthfully, but he's scared so he'll just keep skirting around his real feelings.

3/3/2016 10:22:46 AM

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"WEAK SAUCE ALERT "

compared to your imaginary sauce?

I'm not really sure what kind of inequality ya'll want to talk about. Bernie's inequality? "Today, people living in Bucharest Romania have access to much faster Internet than most of the US. That's unacceptable and must change."

3/3/2016 10:56:00 AM

3/3/2016 11:02:58 AM

whatever kind of inequality you were talking about when you agreed it existed, where does that come from?

3/3/2016 11:06:56 AM

I was talking about inequality in general. Inequality comes from not being equal. I wasn't born into a rich family and some people are if you want to talk about me being born poor.

3/3/2016 11:43:46 AM

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"inequality does exist, i wouldn't want to prevent anyone from learning that we probably disagree on why it exists"

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"whatever kind of inequality you were talking about when you agreed it existed, where does that come from?"

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"Inequality comes from not being equal"

3/3/2016 11:46:29 AM

Haha I get, I'm not answering your question. I just don't know what specific inequality you want to talk about

3/3/2016 11:51:09 AM