i don't think there's been any evidence to suggest that jacob does exist in the alternate timeline, has there?
3/18/2010 1:42:11 AM
none?and it doesn't even make senseI'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.
3/18/2010 2:54:24 AM
what?
3/18/2010 3:20:58 AM
3/18/2010 3:47:41 PM
i thought it was fairly obvious that it was charlie who was arrested on drug charges and at sawyer's station...but i guess you never know with lost. i'm hoping it's not b/c it really really sucks when things get that predictable.
3/18/2010 4:07:12 PM
^ haha, what gave it away? his brother being at the station?
3/18/2010 4:47:08 PM
i'm pretty sure that was walt's brotherI'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.
3/18/2010 4:48:13 PM
3/19/2010 1:07:10 AM
can't troll meI'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.
3/19/2010 9:04:44 AM
All this Charlie talk is making me think about how he knowingly sacrificed himself for Claire and Aaron based on Desmond's vision that she would get on the helicopter and get off the island. That kinda pisses me off now that she's just an allegedly infected-by-evil crazy bitch. It seemed as if they were trying to break down her crazy walls with that scene b/t her and kate where she cries on Kate's shoulder, but that could just be more crazyness.[Edited on March 19, 2010 at 9:10 AM. Reason : .]
3/19/2010 9:09:34 AM
3/19/2010 9:18:25 AM
This is not your island, this is our island, and the only reason you're living on it is because we let you live on it.
3/19/2010 11:48:02 AM
3/19/2010 12:33:13 PM
I think it's a perfectly valid theory.
3/19/2010 1:25:36 PM
3/19/2010 2:09:43 PM
^ they weren't wearing wedding rings
3/19/2010 2:23:12 PM
^ that's all we know so far. I imagine the blanks will be filled in when we get the kwon flash-sideways.I think Jacob not existing in the flashes is no more or less reasonable than him existing. Well to be honest, it's slightly more reasonable to think that he does exist. So far in the flashes, all of the same people still exist. It's just that their circumstances are just a little different. So if everyone else seems to still exist, why think that Jacob doesn't? It could be that he exists and just has no interest in the primaries in that version of reality. It's possible that like every other character so far, Jacob's situation in the alternate reality is just as different as everyone else's. Perhaps he's manipulating an entirely different group on a different island. - who knows.Do you think Anna Lucia, Libby, Michael, Walt, Penny, Farraday, Eloise, etc. - VINCENT - don't exist either simply because we haven't seen them in a flash sideways yet?But, maybe that's the difference in the alternate reality - Jacob isn't around to manipulate people.
3/19/2010 2:26:46 PM
3/19/2010 2:42:54 PM
3/19/2010 2:43:11 PM
The idea came to me thinking about how sawyer was touched at the funeral and perhaps if jacob hadn't touched him then he would've become a cop instead of a con man, but the more i thought about it the less it made since. It doesn't explain why sayid wouldn't be married to whats her face because jacob came to them when they were together.I think the flash sideways is just what will happen after the series finale. IE at the end some shit will happen and they will just end up on the plane again and its their way of preventing us from going "oh well what happens after the plane lands- possible spin off?"I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.[Edited on March 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM. Reason : i was also drunk at the time, hence my anti trolling remark.]
3/19/2010 3:06:58 PM
^^ i am confused by your statement good sir. Are you merely agreeing? I guess that does happen on tww occasionally. It wasn't really a question that i was posing. It was more of a slightly smart-ass rhetorical question being used to make a point. That point being taking exactly what you said and then apply it to Jacob.[Edited on March 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM. Reason : ^]
3/19/2010 3:08:06 PM
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3/19/2010 3:33:45 PM
^ thinking about it - assuming they go the reset route (which I hope they don't), i'd be cool with a "yeah, we reset everything - but we've been showing you what would have happened to the characters all of this season" situation - i think.But I'd mostly like for them to not go the "reset" route. And I don't really think they will.[Edited on March 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]
3/19/2010 3:44:22 PM
^ but if the bomb wasn't the reason why the island sank or what started the alternate timeline then jack and co. wouldn't have made it so they never crashed on the island. that was their intention, but for all we know some other event may have caused the alternate timeline.
3/19/2010 3:51:42 PM
I'm not sure I follow you exactly. let me know if this answers what you're getting at:I think it's very possible that they set the bomb off and the flash-sideways we're seeing are the result of it.I do have one big question that would thwart that idea - Roger and Ben were in their real time on the island at that point. How did they get off the island? Roger could have maybe gotten to the evacuation subs/boats in time, but what about Ben? I'm pretty sure he was still at the temple. But we know from the flash-sideways that they were on the island. And we know it's since sunk. So it's possible it was that version of them and they were able to leave.But at the same time, I'm not sold on the idea of the bomb causing the alternate timeline, or that it even went off for certain.But I was just saying that if that is what's going, it's some sort of "reset", whether it was caused by the bomb going off or something we haven't seen yet, I'd be OK with the flash side-ways being sort of an epilogue running concurrent with the climax.And I guess I said that I don't think they're going the reset route - I recant that. It's definitely possible, and I like it just fine - it will actually fall right in line with one of my crazy lost theories from like 3 seasons back.[Edited on March 19, 2010 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]
3/19/2010 4:37:01 PM
3/19/2010 4:59:37 PM
timeline A and timeline b is the alternate timelinetimeline A sawyer went to 70s of timeline B where they blew up the bomb. Everything prior to the incident is the same in both timelines. Many things after the incident are different.Timeline A jack, sayer, hurley, miles and co returned to present day timeline A after the incident.
3/19/2010 5:18:09 PM
3/19/2010 6:19:59 PM
I would like to restate that this opinion was generated at 130 am on st pattys day.I'm astraladvent and I approved this message
3/19/2010 6:59:07 PM
3/19/2010 7:25:15 PM
yeah, those dates seem to make sense and would squash any possibility - i think - of the bomb going off being the cause of the changes. There is still the possibility that it was a different time-line regardless of the bomb going off or not. -- but who knows at this point.I would much rather the flash sideways come into play in relation to the desmond x factor scenario somehow instead of simply being a "this is what would would happen" kind of thing. Mostly, I just hope they tie into the plot some how.
3/19/2010 8:05:59 PM
I haven't read all these posts, but I don't see what this debate is about, honestly.Clearly, 815 didn't crash because the bomb destroyed the field, preventing the plane from crashing. But something else also had to have altered their course because in the alternate timeline, many things are different from the original timeline even before the crash was supposed to happen. Something else altered time. For some reason, Jacob doesn't seem to be interfering with their lives as much in the alternate timeline.Maybe I'm missing something...what exactly is being debated?
3/19/2010 11:26:23 PM
i don't know if i should respond to the post above this or not
3/19/2010 11:32:22 PM
Well, I asked you to explain the nature of this debate to me because I wasn't on the same page as you guys. I'm not sure the points you guys are debating. Respond or don't; still no need to be a douche about it.
3/20/2010 12:22:27 AM
3/20/2010 12:30:52 AM
3/20/2010 12:39:55 AM
I read the first few and didn't understand what you guys were debating about, so, as a result, the next few posts didn't make sense BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WERE DEBATING. I said as much. Then you acted like I was just begging for you to respond. So, yes, you're the douche for acting like a give a shit if you clarify or not.
3/20/2010 12:47:32 AM
3/20/2010 12:49:35 AM
^ your inbox is green, guy
3/20/2010 1:02:27 AM
i was just thinking about how the island could've sunk in timeline B as a result of faraday not telling the others to bury jughead, and it may have detonated on the surface. then i realized a hydrogen bomb probably wouldn't sink an island and would probably wipe out dharmaville in the process even if it did. i hate this show.[Edited on March 20, 2010 at 3:50 AM. Reason : .]
3/20/2010 3:50:11 AM
^^ So's yours. And I'm not your guy, friend.
3/20/2010 9:47:43 AM
back to lost...
3/20/2010 1:09:11 PM
I've actually read most of the posts on here since Season 6. When I said I hadn't, I was referring to the posts that this specific debate entailed. All I wanted to know was what argument you were making about what caused the alternate timeline. Are you saying that what caused the alternate timeline happened way before the bomb? And if so, in your theory, did the bomb even actually go off or did this event prevent Jack, Sawyer, Juliet, etc. from setting off the bomb? Are you saying that something happened that prevented them from going to the island at all (even in 1976)? It seemed like you guys were alternately arguing both sidees of it--that's what I was confused about. It seemed like you both thought something other than or in addition to the bomb caused the alternate timeline. I didn't want you to rehash what you've already written--I was just a little confused about the details of your theory. That's all I meant; I didn't think it was that big of a deal.[Edited on March 20, 2010 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]
3/20/2010 1:40:16 PM
i give this season a 3 out of 10 so far
3/20/2010 1:42:20 PM
3/20/2010 2:05:33 PM
Alternate timeline has always existedNothing caused it to come into existenceThis fact is indisputable
3/20/2010 2:13:01 PM
care to explain how it's indisputable? or are you just going to continue to speak in absolutes that you don't know for sure?
3/20/2010 2:15:57 PM
Geez, guy
3/20/2010 2:19:37 PM
***haven't read the thread***was thinking that maybe the alternate timeline was if Jacob never 'touched' the other people on the mainland
3/20/2010 2:22:49 PM