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"obviously need more information still but if he is running with a gun (i assume if it's on ground afterwards he is wielding it) you can't take chances."

Dylann Roof murdered nine people and was taken alive. They took that piece of shit to Burger King.

Tell me again about how you can't take chances.

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"It is also probably societies fault that the deceased is a felon drug dealer!"

Well, let's see. Cocaine and heroin are illegal. Morphine and alcohol are legal. All of them get people hurt and killed, but two get you locked up for half your life if you sell them, and the other two get you a big house on the nice side of town. So, yes, society has a role in deciding which drug dealers are revered and which are shackled.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 2:19 PM. Reason : 3]

3/1/2016 2:16:35 PM

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"Come on man, I expect more from you. You're gonna say he was running away before they even release the autopsy? If so you're just part of the problem. Unless you are of the opinion that the police reports and the ME reports can't be trusted, and that there is this conspiracy to protect the police."

part of what problem, exactly?

and it's no secret that cops routinely lie to protect their own

3/1/2016 2:16:43 PM

Part of why people are wondering if Raleigh might be either the next Ferguson or the next Charleston. Hopefully the latter, but not if you keep coming up with scenarios that might or might not have happened. Don't come up with ideas until we know for sure what happened.

3/1/2016 2:18:18 PM

I've done nothing but use information that's already out there

and Ferguson and North Charleston were two completely different situations, so it really doesn't serve your argument well to compare the two

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 2:23 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2016 2:22:05 PM

oh yeah, it's totally our fault. black people wouldn't even be mad about racism if it wasn't for college message boards.

3/1/2016 2:22:36 PM

By sources other than the police report and the medical examiner? The mother? That's a purely objective witness right there, lemme yell ya.

Let me ask this then. So with all the high-profile cases of policy shootings in the past couple of years, why in God's name would a cop bring that on himself or herself if it can be avoided? When it could all be swept under the rug, maybe you had some cops that took things too far, but now, they all know they'll be under the microscope if they shoot someone, so I just don't see how they will do something like this without it being 100% justified.

But

We don't have all the facts, so why even go back and forth right now?

3/1/2016 2:24:52 PM

the mother is not the witness

3/1/2016 2:35:03 PM

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" When it could all be swept under the rug, maybe you had some cops that took things too far, but now, they all know they'll be under the microscope if they shoot someone, so I just don't see how they will do something like this without it being 100% justified."

Michael Brown was shot in August 2014.

In April 2015, a cop shot unarmed Walter Scott while he was running away. Same microscope, and he did it anyway.

3/1/2016 2:36:52 PM

A cop was filmed choking an unarmed man to death in NYC, and there was no indictment.

That should be enough to convince you that some cops believe they can operate however they would like with relative impunity, and the department will probably back them up.

3/1/2016 2:37:14 PM

a police brutality problem that has gone on for decades and decades doesn't all of a sudden stop as if there is a stop button to hit just because technology allows us to discover it easier

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 2:41 PM. Reason : ^ and police unions. they are the worst of the worst. ]

3/1/2016 2:40:06 PM

What does "the next Charleston" even mean? A white supremacist summarily execute a bunch of black people solely due to racism. That has more in common with Charlie Hebdo than this situation.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 2:46 PM. Reason : Oh NORTH Charleston. Jesus, was going to say...]

3/1/2016 2:45:42 PM

And for the record, the officer who shot Walter Scott planted his taser near the body and then wrote a sworn report that Scott had reached for the taser in a confrontation. So don't give me "You don't trust the police report?"

3/1/2016 2:49:20 PM

When I say Charleston, I am referring to the officer who shot someone in the back, and was rightfully prosecuted.

3/1/2016 2:58:12 PM

^
That's the exception, it should be the norm, is what #BLM wants.

3/1/2016 3:18:52 PM

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"And for the record, the officer who shot Walter Scott planted his taser near the body and then wrote a sworn report that Scott had reached for the taser in a confrontation. So don't give me "You don't trust the police report?" "

So what you're essentially saying here is that regardless of what the police report says, you aren't going to believe it. Your opinion has already been formed and it isn't going to change, regardless of any facts that come out.

3/1/2016 3:43:52 PM

I think he's saying you can't blindly trust the police report.

3/1/2016 3:44:56 PM

I think he's saying you can't blindly trust the police report.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 3:54 PM. Reason : clearly ]

3/1/2016 3:53:01 PM

I think he's saying you can't blindly trust the police report.

3/1/2016 4:04:48 PM

it's pretty sound logic

not really sure why someone would trip over themselves to argue it

3/1/2016 4:06:57 PM

God, you're all missing my point. I'm not saying trust it, I'm not saying deny it. I'm just saying wait until it comes out along with other evidence before you form an opinion.

In Charleston, the police report came out, then a subsequent investigation found it to be BS. That's the way it should work. If for whatever reason the crap hits the fan, we go through a grand jury and nothing happens, then sure, start speculating. But I'm just asking everybody to wait.

Is that obtuse? Am I somehow being my partisan hack self? Is it racist to ask people to make informed opinions? Geez.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 4:09 PM. Reason : dfadsd]

3/1/2016 4:08:11 PM

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"I'm not saying trust it, I'm not saying deny it. I'm just saying wait until it comes out along with other evidence before you form an opinion."

I completely agree with you.

3/1/2016 4:11:32 PM

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" So with all the high-profile cases of policy shootings in the past couple of years, why in God's name would a cop bring that on himself or herself if it can be avoided? When it could all be swept under the rug, maybe you had some cops that took things too far, but now, they all know they'll be under the microscope if they shoot someone, so I just don't see how they will do something like this without it being 100% justified."

This is exactly my opinion on this. Not saying it couldn't happen but I think it would be prudent to at least wait for an initial inquiry (or lack of one) before
#BLM does a call to arms, riot, and shut down airports in the name of racist police killing innocent law-abiding college-bound African Americans.

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"a police brutality problem that has gone on for decades and decades doesn't all of a sudden stop as if there is a stop button to hit just because technology allows us to discover it easier"

True and I think this is a problem that faces people of all colors. Unfortunately due to socio-economics African-Americans have taken the brunt of the police abuse.
I never hear about Aziz the indian youth getting shot in the back....

3/1/2016 4:13:29 PM

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"In Charleston, the police report came out, then citizen recorded video showed the murder of that man and subsequent evident planting "

ftfy, and no that's not the way is should fucking work

3/1/2016 5:28:55 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/01/they-stood-over-him-and-watched-him-die-outrage-in-alabama-after-white-cop-kills-unarmed-black-man/

The Alabama case is a bit weirder than ours.

3/1/2016 6:14:04 PM

the war on drugs is racist as hell. #BLM needs to focus on this IMO. Raleigh dude was only running from cop cause he had drug warrants

3/1/2016 6:30:27 PM

a ziplock bag of weed could be a felony drug conviction, so the fact that he has felony drug convictions doesn't mean shit

3/1/2016 6:43:01 PM

^My issue is, if he is slinging cocaine and heroin and the cops turn a blind eye, then people are going to bitch that drugs are destroying their neighborhood/community. This guy has been popped several times for dealing more hardcore shit. So they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Not saying he needs to be shot for that, just pointing this out! Also, for all we know if the cop falls down the guy might have thought it was a good chance to pop a cop. Complete fucking speculation but that is what Rev. Barbour and others are doing so why can't I? And lets be real, its not like cops haven't been in the crosshairs lately.

3/1/2016 6:43:24 PM

you know for a fact that he has had more hardcore shit?

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"So they are damned if they do, damned if they don't."

no, that is fucking terrible logic. if its about non-violent drug convictions then there is no damned if you don't, you just try again later.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 6:45 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2016 6:44:23 PM

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"My issue is, if he is slinging cocaine and heroin and the cops turn a blind eye, then people are going to bitch that drugs are destroying their neighborhood/community."

alcohol and prescription drugs cause more harm than all the hard drugs combined.

3/1/2016 7:54:54 PM

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"you just try again later. "

Are you seriously advocating that when someone resists arrest, you simply "try again later."

3/1/2016 7:59:16 PM

as opposed to shooting them?

kind of an easy yes.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 8:09 PM. Reason : unless you're a horrible person ]

3/1/2016 8:08:35 PM

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"Are you seriously advocating that when someone resists arrest, you simply "try again later.""

On a Failure to Appear warrant? Absofuckinglutely.

3/1/2016 8:17:06 PM

You use non lethal force, if that doesn't work then yes, you regroup and do it again when you are better prepared

3/1/2016 8:17:26 PM

Fuck that. Cops should be able to snipe speeders too.

3/1/2016 8:56:24 PM

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"And lets be real, its not like cops haven't been in the crosshairs lately. "

Do you mean literal cross hairs or figurative? Because they have definitely not been in literal cross hairs. We're at a time of record low police deaths from shootings, and record low crime.

3/1/2016 9:28:00 PM

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"in 2016, after all that's happened the last couple years, it's just a fucking bummer that people are still this fucking ignorant "

ignorant is arguing with the fact that outside of the racist assholes who rioted for Micheal Brown, no one believes the shooting was not justified

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"If this cop did break the laws, he should be held accountable, which is what #BLM has always asked for."

I would never disagree with holding the cop accountable if evidence shows it was not justified. What annoys me almost as much as racist shitheads(like people who think white privilege is real) is hypocrisy. Of course cops should be held accountable, if they are in fact in the wrong. But criminals are martyred and not one protester will admit that an individual is either completely or partially responsible for their own demise. Personal responsibility are two words that have no meaning for a lot of people and it annoys me to no end.

3/1/2016 10:28:54 PM

Fucking 'pop a cop'

We don't know exactly what happened, but we do know that Nighthawk is a fucking idiot.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 11:21 PM. Reason : ^ and it appears this piece of shit is a big fan of victim blaming]

3/1/2016 11:20:58 PM

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"people who think white privilege is real"

White people point guns at police all the time and are taken peacefully.

If that ain't white privilege, I dunno what is.

3/1/2016 11:23:07 PM

it fucking boggles my mind that people legitimately think that white privilege is a myth, man

3/1/2016 11:26:23 PM

I was certain that was a typo?

3/1/2016 11:27:04 PM

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"White people point guns at police all the time and are taken peacefully. If that ain't white privilege, I dunno what is."

a black man in Virginia this past week shot three cops and was taken peacefully

if you think someone has a privilege based on their skin color alone, you are an ignorant piece of shit for a human being because that is racist

3/1/2016 11:40:32 PM

^ do you have any statistics or data to support your opinion?

(Hint: you don't)

3/1/2016 11:49:18 PM

I need a stat to tell me that it's racist to judge people based on the color of their skin?

3/2/2016 12:34:24 AM

White privelege isn't a personal judgement or accusation of someone, it's a reality of our society.

If you are a white person in America, you have majority systemic biases* in your favor.

* rjrumfel, following your idea

3/2/2016 12:53:40 AM

^ Does black privilege exist in Africa, what about Asian privilege in Asia, Hispanic privilege in Central/South America?

3/2/2016 12:57:09 AM

Hispanic isn't a race, so that's a flat no.

3/2/2016 1:11:12 AM

^^

Probably it does, yes. There is a difference for blacks in America though who have been here for hundreds of years and they are historically oppressed group. America is their country as much as any white person, any disparities IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY due to government and societal actions is an affront to all Americans, isn't it? Doesn't this offend you that your fellow American, whose families helped build this country, who have been working this land (literally and figuratively) for hundreds of years, are still viewed as outsiders?

This perception is in the very question you're asking... You literally have just demonstrated what a systemic bias looks like.

3/2/2016 1:26:35 AM

No one ever concocted incredible schemes to keep white people from voting. That delivers nearly a 200 year head start on selecting leadership for white Americans. Seems like a privilege.

3/2/2016 1:35:43 AM

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"White privelege isn't a personal judgement or accusation of someone, it's a reality of our society. If you are a white person in America, you have majority systemic biases* in your favor."

Systematic bias is ILLEGAL, liberal morons. There is no evil "racist society" trying to prevent you from succeeding. Your personal choices matter infinitely more than the melanin content of your skin.

If the dead suspect was white we wouldn't even be discussing it. #BlackPrivilege

If the cop murdered someone, that is police brutality and he should be tried. If the cop felt his life was in danger, then he did is job. That is the discussion. Why bring up race?

What does the melanin content of someone's skin have to do with this issue? Nothing. Unless you are a brainwashed liberal or a member of the race-baiting media, in which case all black people are victims and we look at race before we look at facts. #IStandWithTheNarrative #Victims #HuffingtonPost

3/2/2016 2:00:35 AM

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"Does black privilege exist in Africa, what about Asian privilege in Asia,"

I wonder what the bleeding-heart excuses are for Africans in Africa that go around causing a lot of crime (last time I checked Sub-Saharan Africa has some of the highest rates of murder/rape/corruption/etc). They don't have evil racist white cops or a uber secret governmental conspiracy of shady white politicians plotting to hold down people of color lol

3/2/2016 2:01:28 AM