^ after seeing you post about DC training for the 35th time i became intrigued enough to read about it.

I think i might try it. I had good results several years ago with HIIT training and this seems similar. Lord knows i don't get results with volume training. I used to train constantly and while i was fairly ripped for my size i was like 155 lbs and never progressed a lot in weight.

3/13/2012 12:46:29 AM

photo updates

me at the end of Jan - this was the picture that made me realize I had to figure out wtf was going on with my body, and fast



me from this weekend - idk if anyone else notices, but I feel like you can definitely tell the difference in my stomach and face (at this point I believe it has been 3 weeks since the last time I had dairy - had some slip ups with minor traces that I didn't realize but I'm talking consciously knowing dairy was in the food)






oh, and I can fit into my "skinny" jeans again - haven't been able to do that since I first bought them right before all this ish started last June

3/13/2012 2:05:12 AM

keep going.

ive gotten myself down 10 lbs before only to balloon to a new higher unattractiveness soon after

3/13/2012 3:00:40 AM

From what I've read, DC training is really only for advanced trainee's. But I could be wrong.

3/13/2012 6:23:50 AM

^2 Never said I was going to stop, but ok... technically I wont stop until my body finds its natural happy weight because I exercise and the only thing I changed about diet was, like I said, dairy

3/13/2012 7:43:07 AM

Since I started running last May I have ran a total of 201 miles That's a lot of miles for someone who never though she could be a runner

Also, I've burned approximated 22,048 calories

3/13/2012 11:16:14 AM

Good work on the running mileage...

Although those calories burned comes out to only about 6lbs of total fat.

3/13/2012 11:25:52 AM

That's the amount of calories I've burned just by running--So I find 6lbs to be A LOT.

It doesn't include what I've done doing other activities. But the running has been my favorite and has been the catalyst for me to really look into what I eat and make exercising a very regular thing. Before running I worked out irregularly and halfheartedly, now I exercise 6 days a week, I run 3 days and I strength train and do yoga other days. Before I wouldn't consider myself an athlete, now I'm starting too. But like I said, this is my path, it's probably not right for others but it's what I've enjoyed.

3/13/2012 11:35:09 AM

Keep doing what's best for you, Minka. I personally think 6 lbs of fat is a big deal - and I'm really not trying to start anything but I'll just go out on a limb and say it



Not everyone wants to be a body builder and be completely ripped. It would be really nice if everyone could talk about the gains they have made without someone else piping up and basically being like, "That's great and all, but it's not enough."

3/13/2012 11:46:05 AM

i think he was going on the angle of 201 miles being a fuck ton of effort.

slow down.

3/13/2012 11:57:26 AM

Can't slow down, I'm training for a 10 mile race in May.

3/13/2012 12:07:15 PM

haha not you,

samwise on the "NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE A BODYBUILDER" thing.

3/13/2012 12:19:20 PM

Quote :

"i think he was going on the angle of 201 miles being a fuck ton of effort. slow down."

Yep.

Quote :

"Not everyone wants to be a body builder and be completely ripped."

I'm not a body builder, and I am not completely ripped. Well not for at least another 10weeks.

Let's run a thought experiment...

If you want to look better naked and be more fit, would you rather:

1. Take the most effective and efficient route to acheive your fitness and physique goals?

2. Pound the pavement for hundreds of miles/hours in a quest to become more fit, thinking that this conventional method is the best for you?

Compliance is a big factor in achieving your goals. If you find that running all the time is what you love to do, and you can stick with it; more power to you, keep it up!

However, most people don't like it, or get over-use injuries from too much running with bad form. Or, they just don't see the results they are looking for. Again, running doesn't burn that much calories, nor does it build that much muscle. In fact, it's counter-productive to building physique transforming muscle.

3/13/2012 12:22:02 PM

Yeah. Over the past few years, there's been a lot more evidence emerging that distance running is detrimental to your health.

3/13/2012 12:27:19 PM

i can attest to that

[Edited on March 13, 2012 at 12:32 PM. Reason : http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=595049&page=1]

3/13/2012 12:29:44 PM

I have done the losing weight by running thing before, and yes it worked, but it was not sustainable for me because I absolutely HATE running. (even when I'm in shape)

However I LOVE lifting weights, and doing that with some cardio on the elliptical or interval run/walk on the treadmill for 30 mins or so is awesome... makes me feel good... endorphins and what not... and I haven't gotten tired or bored from it.

3/13/2012 12:31:45 PM

Saying that running (in general) is detrimental to your health is just dumb. You might be able to say that for people who run marathons/ultramarathons/etc...but in general, it's just a false statement.

Running, along with a good diet and workout program is a great combination to becoming healthy and fit.

3/13/2012 12:36:54 PM

i think the point is that if you add weight training it becomes even better.

3/13/2012 12:38:28 PM

on a side note, i think i pulled one of my pectoral muscles (or hurt it some other way?)... it hurts right where the muscle connects to the sternum. I had to take some good pain killers to dull it.

I was just doing normal bench press too... I wasn't even lifting super heavy... it was my first set and i was just throwing up 225.

3/13/2012 12:40:10 PM

^^^ It really depends on the volume.

I have heard many horror stories from chronic runners... plantar fascitis, cartelidge degeneration, knee surgeries, low back pain, hip pain.

Logging <10miles a week? Thats great.
Logging 20+? That will add some wear and tear real quick.

[Edited on March 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM. Reason : ^]

3/13/2012 12:41:27 PM

^^^that may be what he meant by "workout plan". I may not have said it but since May I've lost 25 lbs, so I guess 6lbs was just from running. I also strength train.

I've definitely learned a lesson here, I'm only going to talk about running in the running thread and not here

[Edited on March 13, 2012 at 12:42 PM. Reason : carrots]

3/13/2012 12:42:08 PM

Quote :

"Running, along with a good diet and workout program is a great combination to becoming healthy and fit."

In what sense do you mean when you say fit anyway? Cardiovascular? Body composition? Have you seen the difference between a distance runners' vs. sprinters' body composition?

3/13/2012 1:11:47 PM

Why can't "fit" be relative? I didn't put anything in that sentence that specified any type of body or even any type of "distance" for running.

Running is good for you. You can definitely overdo it...but a lot of "knowledgeable" people ITT appear to be scaring people away from running and it's ridiculous.

You can create just as many problems from improper weightlifting as you can from running too much (btw...don't you have back problems??). I've also seen plenty of "fat" people that consistently lift weights. So this, "running is a bad way to lose weight" is what annoys me. I'll say it again (and I don't know how you can argue with this):

Quote :

"Running, along with a good diet and workout program is a great combination to becoming healthy and fit."

3/13/2012 1:17:18 PM

Quote :

"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but don't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight"

3/13/2012 1:31:43 PM

Quote :

"You can create just as many problems from improper weightlifting as you can from running too much (btw...don't you have back problems??). I've also seen plenty of "fat" people that consistently lift weights. So this, "running is a bad way to lose weight" is what annoys me. I'll say it again (and I don't know how you can argue with this):"

Is this how you try to win an argument dude? Really?

I was mainly a runner before I started weights. I was putting in 20-25 miles a week since college ( I'm in my early 30s now). Who knows what may have exacerbated my low back issues. My disc may have started deteriorating long before weights. Or maybe both weight volume and running did it. Who knows, and whatever, that's not my point. I still love running. I still do (before my injury) one long run Sundays. Or I'll cool down with 1 mile or 2 after weights.

I don't think anyone here is discouraging running, but if you're putting so many miles in a week it's not good in the long run either. And yes, with EVERYTHING, overuse causes injuries.

3/13/2012 1:43:44 PM

The best part is, he's a lawyer.

3/13/2012 1:50:32 PM

^^ I've prefaced all of my statements pretty well that there can be "too much" in regards to running. But the bottom line is that it gets shitted on every year in these threads.

Let these people run in peace. You like MattJMMMM coming in your XFit thread and talking shit about your exercises?

^ Nice Try.

[Edited on March 13, 2012 at 2:23 PM. Reason : Would have been more accurate with eluesis or maximus shitting on xfit]

3/13/2012 2:08:35 PM

Matt can say whatever he wants about CrossFit. I don’t get defensive. I know his criticisms of Crossfit is targeted towards specific types of Crossfitters, and not everyone who Crossfits. I respect his opinion on some CF topics, and in fact agree with many of them. I don’t get defensive like some of these runners do. My statement wasn’t toward everyone who runs. I don’t recall ever bashing running. But my fault, should have made my initial statement more clear.

Now stop trying to take that statement out of context. Move along now.

3/13/2012 2:22:37 PM

How about we all just stop questioning fitness dogma and let everyone train how they feel is comfortable?

Maybe if we just accept the status quo, and stop wanting to improve ourselves and the way we do things, we can all be equal and happy, forever.

3/13/2012 3:01:41 PM

yeah this thread is about getting a beach body. running is not an effective way to get that.

Most people here don't have an unlimited amount of time to train and want to be efficient in their efforts.

Also, there's only ~2 months until pool/beach season. There's not a lot of time to waste, you can only make so much of a transition in a few months.

This is the age of information. I wish I had this good of info 10 years ago, most of us wouldn't look so fat if we hadn't wasted our 20's doing cardio to try to keep the pounds off.

3/13/2012 3:34:46 PM

so is this thread a blog/encouragement thread?

or come from __ to shit on __

insert:

bodybuilding
crossfit
running
cycling
etc.

Quote :

"Tired of being a fat ass or a scrawny weakling? Want to be the envy of those on the beach? Then enter this challenge. Rules: 1. Post regular updates of your progress. This photo must be in a bathing suit. After all, that's what you're going to be wearing on the beach, isn't it? 2. Post your workout routine and diet info. Keep it to encouragement or suggestions and not telling people that they're doing it wrong because its not how YOU would do things. 3. Don't shit up this thread. It's in The Lounge for a reason. 4. NO FUCKING WHINING. Your muscles hurt? You don't like eating healthy food? You think you look fat? Shut the fuck up and get back to work. 5. Yes, there are going to be women posting photos of themselves in bikinis. Don't be a fucking creep."

[Edited on March 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2012 3:41:34 PM

Its TWW. People are going to get shit on one way or another. This thread is primarily about education and dispelling myths. For decades, people thought running was the best way to lose weight. Now we know thats not the case. People should appreciate that kind of insight.

3/13/2012 3:44:45 PM

I thought my comment about running was pretty benign.

It wasn't really my opinion; just what I have been reading about from many sources.

3/13/2012 3:52:17 PM

Running is also free, easy, and cheap. No gym costs, personal training fees, signing up for classes at certain times, no need to have lifting/spotting partner, no being self-conscious in a gym full of fit people, looking like a dumb-ass in a dance class, etc, etc, etc.

I'm just saying it shouldn't be discouraged.

3/13/2012 4:03:48 PM

Running recreationally is of course a viable means of exercise. Its mainly the fat people who jog a mile and a half after work and wonder why they still can't see their genitals.

3/13/2012 4:10:49 PM

On the same note...I see just as many "big" people consistently lifting weights than I do out running. Although it's mainly men. Lots of big girls are too self conscious for the gym.

3/13/2012 5:11:58 PM

PaulISdead - great post. thanks for the reminder

MattJMM2 - you're a smart guy who definitely knows what he's talking about, but sometimes your posts make you come off as a pompous dick. You've done the research and are visual proof that you know your shit, but you don't always have to point it out. maybe it's just me, but that's how I read your posts. I know you're trying to be helpful and a lot of us appreciate your advice so please take this as constructive criticism. dick.

3/13/2012 5:16:11 PM

I love running. There are days when I crave a good run. It makes me happy and it has helped me tremendously when I have food allergy issues and need to do something to help metabolize the mess in my system.

Running isn't for everyone and even I get bored of it. Bottom line - find something you enjoy doing and you're more likely to stick with it. We all have our individual success stories with doing different things. I've said this before - everyone is built differently and you can't compare what you're doing to what someone else is doing. A lot of the time it doesn't work because what might work for Minka might not work for me and vice versa. It took me a long time to find something I really enjoy doing (Bodyrock) and a good balance between that and running to help me stick with physical activity. I have been an athlete my entire life and I feel I am in the best shape (physically, emotionally, and mentally) in my entire life and I'm excited to keep taking it to the next level.

With that said - I just kicked my own ass working out. And since cleaning up my diet on Sunday I am down over a pound

3/13/2012 5:16:38 PM

1 week into P90X and I am already down 5 lbs. I am already able to do way more this week than I was last week. I am excited for the coming weeks......although getting up at 6AM blows

3/13/2012 5:26:35 PM

I know I can come off as brash, or pompous, or as a dick. It's something that I've dealt with andbeen actively trying to improve upon all my life. So it doesn't bother me to be called out on it.

With that said, direct no bullshit or sugar coating is my MO when it comes to communication. It ruffles some feathers and wads some panties, but it keeps my life simple. And no one can call me a liar, ever.

So I'm sorry if I hurt any of yalls feelings, but it may have been the brutal truth.

3/13/2012 5:43:10 PM

You will get better results by cutting out breakfast than you will by running. Make it a rule not to eat or drink anything (coffee is fine, but you really shouldnt add cream) until your lunch hour everyday and you will get quick results.

3/13/2012 5:57:31 PM

There was nothing wrong with what you said about the cals burned

3/13/2012 5:58:19 PM

^^ that is horrible advice

3/13/2012 6:36:37 PM

^^^^Matt thus far I think you've been a great contributor to this thread.

^^^I hope this is the nail in the coffin for anyone still taking your advice seriously.

[Edited on March 13, 2012 at 6:37 PM. Reason : dj hatin' too]

3/13/2012 6:37:30 PM

Considering face just said he does this:

Quote :

"Ive gotten myself down 10 lbs before only to balloon to a new higher unattractiveness soon after"

I don't think anyone takes his advice seriously

3/13/2012 6:43:08 PM

I used to never eat breakfast, and got frustrated when I would plateau. With this new plan I am on I eat first thing in the morning and several small meals a day, along with high intensity workouts (only 1hr-1.5 hours a day, at home, who doesn't have time for that?). I have seen more results this past week than I have seen in months of my previous methods.

The key is eating the right foods, eating throughout the day, and burning off the calories you eat during your workouts. That is, if you are trying to get ripped and not look anorexic.

3/13/2012 6:43:48 PM

are you guys crazy? eating all day is one of the worst ways to lose weight.

Cutting out breakfast will keep you in fat burning mode all morning and can help you lower your total caloric intake by reducing your feeding window.

Dont be dense.

3/13/2012 7:59:11 PM

No. There's no way that you actually believe that.

3/13/2012 8:04:59 PM

That you don't burn a higher percentage of fat when you're not eating?

Do you even hear yourself?

Why would you want to EAT (i.e. CONSUME CALORIES) and spike your insulin when you are trying to lose weight?

Let me guess you're one of these people that thinks eating small meals frequently actually increases your metabolism. That myth had its day but its been dispelled.

I'm constantly amazed that despite the overall intelligence level on this board no one seems to know anything about anything. Quit trying to talk down to people that know more than you about the topic at hand.

3/13/2012 8:09:44 PM

Your insulin won't "spike" if you eat the proper foods, dip shit. Would you rather want people to crash and have their blood glucose levels drop significantly? Yeah, that's smart.



Anyway, if my body builder comment earlier sparked the running debate that's not what I meant by it at all - I am just trying to say everyone's perception of a "beach body" is different and one shouldn't assume that a beach body equals being ripped. Hell, even toned. IMO, reaching beach body status is when you aren't afraid to show what you got and are confident enough with yourself that you feel good in a bikini (or whatever bathing suit you have) and don't feel so self-conscious.


[Edited on March 13, 2012 at 8:16 PM. Reason : ^ After that post, I can see why you gain 10 lbs so easily]

3/13/2012 8:15:45 PM