John Bunting

First 4 years:
2001 North Carolina 8–5 (5–3) 3rd W Peach
2002 North Carolina 3–9 (1–7) 8th
2003 North Carolina 2–10 (1–7) 9th
2004 North Carolina 6–6 (5–3) T–3rd L Continental Tire

Total 19-30 (12-20) 1 Bowl victory



Butch Davis

First/Last 4 years
2007 North Carolina 4–8 (3–5) 4th (Coastal)
2008 North Carolina 8–5 (4–4) 3rd (Coastal) L Meineke Car Care
2009 North Carolina 8–5 (4–4) 4th (Coastal) L Meineke Car Care
2010 North Carolina 8–5 (4–4) T–3rd (Coastal) W Music City

Total 28-23 (15-17) 1 Bowl victory






Difference: 9 more wins (3 more conference wins) and the NCAA up the schools asshole. Worth it?

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM. Reason : I don't understand why they are so quick to defend him.]

7/28/2011 5:51:54 PM

and Butch's 1 Bowl victory was more crooked than a politician.

7/28/2011 6:02:30 PM

For page 23....

Quote :

"If chancellor thorpe steps down and baddour already announced that he stepped down..could we rehire Butch? I know it may sound crazy but im just curious. "

7/28/2011 6:08:32 PM

BATTERED

WIFE

SYNDROME!

7/28/2011 6:12:50 PM

Quote :

"Butch Davis First/Last 4 years 2007 North Carolina 4–8 (3–5) 4th (Coastal) 0-12 DFL (Coastal) 2008 North Carolina 8–5 (4–4) 3rd (Coastal) L Meineke Car Care 0-13 DFL Coastal) 2009 North Carolina 8–5 (4–4) 4th (Coastal) L Meineke Car Care 0-13 DFL (Coastal) 2010 North Carolina 8–5 (4–4) T–3rd (Coastal) W Music City 0-13 DFL (Coastal) Total 28-23 (15-17) 1 Bowl victory Total 0-51, 0 Bowl Victories, 4 losses to NCSU, and 9 major NCAA violations"

soon anyway

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 6:21 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 6:20:40 PM

the 4-8 season might be legit

trying to give ol Butch the benefit of the doubt

7/28/2011 6:22:47 PM

even without the forfeited wins/sanctions/penalties, 'ol Butch wasn't even that great of a coach. I mean, I guess you could argue that he had the program on the rise, but obviously he had to cut corners to get there...sooooo, whole lotta good that did them.


honestly, i just don't understand why fans are so defensive of him. i'd like to think that if it were us, many state fans would want the coach out the door. but that's probably my bias shining through.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 6:29 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 6:27:20 PM

He had them mediocre, not really on the rise.

Unless you consider 3 straight 8 win seasons and some muffler bowls on the rise

7/28/2011 6:31:36 PM

oh i agree. that was my point. the results don't warrant the level of support he's getting.

7/28/2011 6:48:40 PM

I, and others on here, have already stated before that if TOB gets the NCAA on campus and has the sort of shit that was going on at UNC, we would want him fired. I could see them trying to hang onto a Jim Tressel type of coach, but the dude never made it over .500 in conference play. They were mesmerized by the stars they were pulling in and got all hyped up, and just ignored the fact that he was a terrible gameday coach.

7/28/2011 6:52:36 PM

They also overlook the fact that these stud recruits are you know, the ones that got them in trouble. lawl

7/28/2011 6:57:17 PM

yeah Butch is a helluva recruiter, no denying that

although at the same time Miami could recruit itself in the 90s, and we've learned that Blake was pulling a lot of the high star talent

7/28/2011 6:57:21 PM

Quote :

"I, and others on here, have already stated before that if TOB gets the NCAA on campus and has the sort of shit that was going on at UNC, we would want him fired."

Our fan base would make a coach's life a nightmare for bringing that much heat to campus. We sure as piss wouldn't start a flying banner fund, unless the banner had a giant middle finger printed on it and it was on fire in the air.

7/28/2011 7:13:39 PM

Wasn't Butch the coach in '99 when they had Ed Reed, Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne (and God only remembers who else) and got beat by ECU?

7/28/2011 7:13:50 PM

Yes.

7/28/2011 7:16:40 PM

Quote :

"honestly, i just don't understand why fans are so defensive of him. i'd like to think that if it were us, many state fans would want the coach out the door. but that's probably my bias shining through."

I agree. Butch is a great recruiter and did very good things for UNC's football program, but in simple wins/losses...he's pretty average. 15-17 in the ACC? And they are turning on the administration left and right to bring this guy back?

Butch getting fired would be comparable to Chuck being fired after his 4th year...We had more success in Chuck's first 4 years than they did in Butch's, but the situations are similar enough. Chuck was 34-15 after 4 seasons (17-15 in ACC). Had we gotten into trouble for NCAA violations how upset would State fans had been about firing Amato? That's an honest question...I don't know. It's hard to think about. Chuck (in hindsight, Philip Rivers) had us rolling at that point...we thought he was the man. Recruiting was good, the results were there, etc. But I do feel like if Chuck had been at the helm when major violations occurred, we'd be much more rational about his firing (regardless of the timing). State fans hate negative attention and publicity directed towards our the school and athletic program...I don't think we'd stand for it.

For whatever reason, UNC fans see BD as the best they can do...they do not think they can land a coach better than him. And they probably won't be able to get a coach with a better track record than BD, but BD wasn't that great...certainly not irreplaceable I don't think. They should go after Skip Holtz IMO...don't know if he'd leave USF though.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 7:18 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 7:16:49 PM

Withers is announced as interim.

7/28/2011 7:17:07 PM

Quote :

"Chuck (in hindsight, Philip Rivers)"

Reggie Herring

7/28/2011 7:18:35 PM

I believe Skip's wife has family in FL. Plus why would he want to take over a team that is going to be hamstrung by the NCAA? At USF he even though they are the 4th best option for most kids in the state, those kids would be top 20 in most other states, maybe even top 10. With that kind of talent, and provided he develops it right, he can win the Big East and have them in a BCS bowl, something UNC won't be sniffing for a long time, if ever.

7/28/2011 7:20:25 PM

^^wasn't Herring only here 1 year? IIRC, that's the year we had the nation's best D?

and ^, I agree. He probably shouldn't and won't leave USF (especially considering UNC will be on probation and other sanctions). But a coach like that wouldn't be much of a drop off from BD...in fact, Skip is probably a better in-game coach than BD.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 7:20:54 PM

how many of Rivers' 4 years did we have Chow?

7/28/2011 7:21:58 PM

^ 1 year.

7/28/2011 7:23:16 PM

1 or 2. I think maybe just 1 Yep 1 year. Brass Monkey beat me to it.



[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 7:23:27 PM

Quote :

"I will go further. The wuffies DESERVE to be laughing their asses off at us now. THEY WON, and some of "our own" gave that victory to them. Even sadder, we have ******-bag "fans" cheering that wuffie victory."

This might just be trollin but I don't care.

7/28/2011 7:34:18 PM

Quote :

" Our chancellor and new BOT have set us back much more than anything the NCAA could do to us. Look at State College basketball since Valvano. Look at SMU football since the death penalty. That is UNC football now"

7/28/2011 8:45:33 PM

"state college" really gets my goat. rawlee/wuffies/pups/whatever doesn't bother me. "state college" does though.

7/28/2011 8:51:07 PM

meh.. my dad went to state in the 60s and still calls it state college

7/28/2011 8:53:46 PM

I've never really understand why State College was supposed to be an insult...I know NCSU used to be known as State College, but I don't really see where the insult is.

7/28/2011 8:58:27 PM

7/28/2011 9:01:37 PM

how long til UNC fans sweep the last year under the rug and start bragging about how much better they are than us because they hired an African American head football coach

7/28/2011 9:08:35 PM

the word "college" usually refers to a school with only a technical and undergraduate focus. i think a lot of people (unless they're super-fucking old) use the term "state college" to belittle state's academics and to ignore the many graduate level programs/research institutions the university has. i might be alone in this opinion, but it just seems petty to do that.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 9:10:19 PM

^^it'll be just like their claim to integrating college basketball

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 9:11 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2011 9:10:53 PM

^3 Barry Saunders is getting a new keyboard as we speak

^^ "tarhole" is just such a nice, non-strained insult. all those other dumb insults they have are just that, dumb. Not only that, they are embarrassingly sad. I know there are those that think we shouldn't call them tarholes, but,
[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 9:13:27 PM

just call them Dirty Feet

7/28/2011 9:19:34 PM

^^^^Makes sense...

^^I agree...what's the deal with "wuffies"? I mean a wolf is far more intimidating than a ram or a dirty foot. I always find it funny when people actually say those things though...I read them online a lot, but rarely hear anyone actually say "wuffie fans" or "moo u" or whatever...it sounds extremely lame to hear it said.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 9:21 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 9:23 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 9:21:07 PM

their fanbase is so pissed right now, its great

some are glad Butch is gone, some think he is the unfair scapegoat and some even want him back

about the only thing they can agree on is that the timing of the firing was bad, but they had tons of conflicting ideas of why they'd wait this long

popcorn

7/28/2011 9:56:16 PM

Anytime an entire academic faction doesn't care about plagiarism, you've got major issues. If you're the CEO at the top of all the violators you have to go. It's that simple, do not overthink this. No, useless Walmart IC posters, Deems May, Dick Baddour, IC writers, former players, etc etc, no one cares about your football team going down the tube. No one in charge at least. This issue wasn't going away and getting rid of Butch was the only solution, and should have been done in December. The idiots mentioned above would still have been just as bitter had Davis been fired in December, they are just saying they wouldn't have been. They know Butch is paramount to UNC even having a .500 season. Insulting everyone under the sun about Butch being fired = I'm mad were not getting a winnning product on the field (although this year they have plenty of talent floodgates will really open next year).

Keep in mind the above has nothing to do with the agent who was an associate head coach, the coke dealer hooking up the players and hanging out in the weight room, the players getting jewelery and then lying to the NCAA about it, the players getting flights across the country and lying to the NCAA about it, the 2000 parking tickets, 90 of which went to one player, etc etc.

Good luck with the NCAA in October, I'm sure they agree you've been so cooperative considering Butch's emails and 216 numbers are being guarded like Fort Knox.

7/28/2011 10:37:59 PM

I <3 BATarHeel05

Quote :

" HarborDocks wrote: Or, another way to look at it, is that there was inherent concern by the academic types as to the road UNC must go down to participate in bigtime football, and unfortunately their worries were confirmed in the worst way possible. Look, I want to win in football, but you just can't ignore the fact that UNC football was hit with 9 major violations. The football program handed the academics the axe on a silver platter and confirmed all their worst nightmares and stereotypes. I wish it had never happened, but it did. BATarHeel05 wrote: This is such ********. The violations that the NCAA accussed us of in no way indicate any kind of inheret or systematic problems with our football program. What they do indicate are that individuals will make bad decisions - be it an assistant coach, football student athletes, tutors in the Academic Support Program (note: that's the academic side, not football), individuals in the honor court (again, the academic side) and individuals in South Building (again, the academic side). In my four years at Carolina, I knew students who flunked out, I knew students who cheated, I knew students who got kicked out for dealing drugs, I knew students who committed other crimes. They were regular students, not athletes. They were also individuals. Individuals do wrong. You do not judge an organization based on whether or not individuals within that organization are perfect or not. You judge the organization based on the steps they take to do their best to ensure that their individuals are doing right, and how the organization responds when individuals do stray from that path. By any measure, Carolina Football was a positive example in BOTH of these respects. The NCAA said that our controls were well above average, and it only takes a quick look around the college football landscape - at GT, at LSU, at OSU, at USC, at UT, at Bama, etc. - to note that the response of our football program was also above average."

lol at how butthurt (and in denial) everyone on IC is. very enjoyable reading.

have we heard from StingrayRush or JCTarHeel since this went down?

7/29/2011 11:01:50 AM

HAHAHA, that quote is amazing.

Summary: "It's not the football program's fault if the UNC student body is full of cheaters and drug dealers."

7/29/2011 11:22:19 AM

^^Haha

Remember the "I Support Butch" shirts?....

Quote :

" Hey folks, After doing the "I Support Butch" shirts last year, I never thought I'd need to make another shirt. Or I hoped, anyway. Times have changed. My inbox has been filled with people wanting shirts. So, on the site http://www.SupportButchShirts.com we are selling a V2 shirt, "I Don't Support Thorp" (something many people suggested). In my mind, it is SO IMPORTANT for us to be there on Saturdays supporting our players. But that doesn't mean we don't have a say-so in the way things are run with the administration. As we did last year for Va Tech game, lets get the stadium packed again in these for the JMU game. Last year, we had well over 5,000+ fans in the shirts, and our voice was heard. It was all over the news as you all know. AND, we need to be lined up at the Old Well Walk in our shirts. I've already had one network contact me. Now, let's make our voice heard and put the pressure on Thorp. I'll be taking orders until August 12th at which time they'll go into production and to you by August 26th. Let's make our voice known during the first game on Sept 3. Website: http://www.SupportButchShirts.com Facebook page (almost 5k members): http://www.facebook.com/supportbutchdavis Again, I'd like to stress as I did last time... I don't do T-Shirts for a living. I'm a web designer. So, please bare with me... I'm just trying to do this for the cause (I AM AS PO'D AS ONE PERSON CAN GET). If you have any problems (ie, I send the wrong shirt size) please let me know and I will absolutely rectify. I know last year, to my knowledge, out of several thousand shipments, I did about 4 or 5 wrong and corrected. Just bare with me "

LOL

7/29/2011 11:29:41 AM

Quote :

"So, please bare with me... I'm just trying to do this for the cause (I AM AS PO'D AS ONE PERSON CAN GET). If you have any problems (ie, I send the wrong shirt size) please let me know and I will absolutely rectify. I know last year, to my knowledge, out of several thousand shipments, I did about 4 or 5 wrong and corrected. Just bare with me ""

Freudian slip?

7/29/2011 11:42:49 AM

Quote :

"systematic problems"

7/29/2011 11:43:59 AM

I'm going to email him and ask if he still has any "I support butch" shirts in red or if I can order a "I support Thorp" in red.

7/29/2011 11:46:58 AM

+1

7/29/2011 11:58:11 AM

I like how he says, "our voices were heard!" Well if they were, they didn't mean a damn thing, b/c Butchy boy was still shit canned. I love how they're still staunchly supporting an EX-coach and sending death threats to their current chancellor. Classic UNC nonsense.

7/29/2011 12:08:42 PM

^ that's what baffles me about this whole situation. I wouldn't be suprised if they tried to put up a Butch memorial.

7/29/2011 12:24:19 PM

State College ~ Chapel College

'insults' cancel each other out

7/29/2011 12:24:55 PM

^^ All for a coach who was 15-17 in the ACC (at a time where the ACC was not particularly strong)

7/29/2011 12:26:14 PM

From the facebook page

Quote :

"After the way Butch was treated, the only coach that we can get is Jim Tressel! "

7/29/2011 1:13:55 PM

This is why I love IC...a thread title:

Quote :

" The 7 Stages of grief..... where are you at? "

7/29/2011 2:12:00 PM