3^ Could benefit us if his older brother ends up hating it.

I mean, Mack knows about optics, this was more about flipping him from us than adding his skillset to their team.

They took Boaz, a lot of teams wanted him but no one would give him a shot at QB, so UNC told him he'd get to try at QB(he won't) so he committed there. Then UNC offers one of Gosnell's teammates that had no other D1 offers a PWO spot, our staff knows about him and didn't even consider it apparently.

Will be interesting to see how the family feels about UNC in a couple of years when Boaz ends up being lied to, his PWO friend ends up off the team, and Gosnell might not even be playing much.

10/22/2019 9:11:32 AM

Who knows, maybe his brother won't even care about playing the same place, but that all seems like wishful thinking

10/22/2019 9:19:35 AM

Not too worried about this one. He might be great, but East Surry is a small 1A school in a place without much football talent. It's bad optics, sure -- but I don't think it's going to have much effect on the field.

10/22/2019 9:47:29 AM

We prob shouldn't have offered him a scholarship then

10/22/2019 10:02:42 AM

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"Will be interesting to see how the family feels about UNC in a couple of years when Boaz ends up being lied to, his PWO friend ends up off the team, and Gosnell might not even be playing much"

Why would his friend end up off the team? LOL so long as he puts in effort at practice/in the weight room he'd be in absolutely no danger of being kicked off the team. What a dumb hypothetical.

it will be even more interesting in a couple years when Godzilla has destroyed the Eastern half of North Carolina and Dave Doeren has won 18 national championships (in 2 years)

10/22/2019 10:23:02 AM

I understand people want to sunny side losing a recruit, but sometimes you just say "that sucks" and move on instead of bending yourself around to say it's no big deal.

10/22/2019 10:28:38 AM

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"Why would his friend end up off the team?"

Because he's not very good and UNC doesn't have to keep him on the team? There is a limit of 118 players(85 scholarships, so 33 walk-ons) and UNC will have better options for PWOs.

This isn't a crazy hypothetical. Gosnell isn't one of their higher rated WR recruits in the last couple of years, Boaz is absolutely not playing QB for them(despite saying he was promised he would get a chance to), and there is a reasonably strong chance that PWO isn't going to end up on the team after a couple of years of never seeing the field.

10/22/2019 11:40:00 AM

There's only a limit during off-season workouts/spring practice. During the season they can have 2000 walk-ons if they really want to.

Also i think you are overvaluing walk-ons/preferred walk-ons. The vast majority of them will never play a down ever. They are there as practice bodies. There are obviously exceptions, but that's just it, they're exceptions. Coaches aren't banking on getting ANY meaningful snaps from walk-ons. They want guys who will push their team in practice. That takes much more effort than it does talent.

10/22/2019 11:55:21 AM

I think you just solved their low attendance issues.

10/22/2019 12:01:48 PM

"getting a chance" is also a pretty vague, easily fulfilled promise. And If Gosnell is gonna get shitty bc his buddy isn't good enough then that isn't the type of player you want anyway.

10/22/2019 12:23:04 PM

I mean Dave gave Jakobi Meyers a chance at QB. And by chance I mean he was never even on the depth chart for an actual game.

10/22/2019 2:11:19 PM

We offered in-state WR Devin Chandler recently. First P5 offer for him. He also has offers from Akron, Kent State, North Alabama and NC Central, and also has been getting interest from Duke, Syracuse and Illinois.

Looks like Jonathan Adorno is going to flip to UNC. How many are they over the limit now?

Anyone know what Gosnell had to say in that article about why he flipped his commitment?

10/29/2019 7:57:23 PM

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"He also has offers from Akron"

So is he a partial qualifier????

10/29/2019 8:07:11 PM

^^i dunno what gosnell said but I read where he grew up a UNC fan and had a few teammates going to UNC so it all sorta adds up.

10/29/2019 8:17:52 PM

I’m okay with losing Adorno if we replace him with RJ Adams and Anthony Carter.

10/29/2019 9:22:54 PM

We were Chandler's first P5 offer, but we were also Gosnell's first P5 offer.

For those that dismissed my other staffs paying attention to who we offer, we offered Chandler and he immediately got twitter follows from coaches at Nebraska, Tennessee, Syracuse, and Vanderbilt.

Then since we offered he's landed offers from Illinois and UVA.

He now has as many P5 offers as Gosnell haha.

10/30/2019 7:14:19 AM

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""every team pays some attention to other teams' recruiting" is a different statement then "Our staff is really good at identifying talent and I believe other schools/analysts are really paying attention to this""

10/30/2019 8:10:08 AM

^Sure. When Wake, BC, Rutgers, Illinois, etc offer a kid then everyone pays attention and those kids start landing offers.

10/30/2019 9:06:20 AM

How would you know if they do or don't

It's nice that you have so much respect for Doeren but you're forming a theory from anecdotal one way evidence

10/30/2019 9:32:56 AM

^Because I can look at commits for teams like Wake and I see kids where they're the only P5 offer they claim? There isn't a commit on our board that doesn't at least have another P5 offer.

I also notice that when we offer 2*/3* dudes they may have 1 or 2 P5 offers and then they end up like Vann who had no P5 offers and we offer him. Then UL offers him shortly after. Now he's a composite 3* and 247 has him rated as a 4*.

I'm not sure there is an easy to way to go around and collect that data to compare, but I certainly notice that when we offer a kid, they instantly get more attention. Now maybe that's every average to above-average P5 school, but I just don't see us offering kids like that. Hell we're literally not offering 4* and 5* kids in NC that have a bevy of offers.

10/30/2019 2:17:49 PM

Yea those 4 and 5 star kids prob are not good enough for State.

And good to know that while 247 is increasing ratings for UNC players, at least they're doing the same for us.

10/30/2019 4:31:42 PM

4* WR Rico Powers, who is currently a South Carolina commit, recently tweeted about us offering him. Maybe we can flip him. Also we saw current Toledo commit Jovon Davis and offered him. He is HS teammates with DE target Sean Martin.

10/30/2019 10:02:17 PM

Would be pretty amusing if we went from Gosnell and Adorno to Powers and Adams.

10/31/2019 9:55:41 AM

If any of y'all are 247 premium members, you now get CBS all-access for free. Pretty sweet deal, actually

10/31/2019 11:46:19 AM

^really? Where did you see this?

10/31/2019 11:53:06 AM

https://slickdeals.net/f/13496710-free-cbs-all-access-with-247-sports-subscription

the only catch is it has to be a new account, so if you've already got a cbs account you have to use a different email

[Edited on October 31, 2019 at 12:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2019 12:44:37 PM

Fuck yes man. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Worth it for star trek alone.

10/31/2019 3:42:33 PM

Exactly why I did it, to watch Picard

10/31/2019 7:04:37 PM

3* LB Jayland Parker committed tonight. He was previously committed to Colorado

11/7/2019 7:43:31 PM

Not to be Debbie downer, but we also lost 3* dt Jaylen Smith. Rumors are semi mutual but you always have to take that with a grain of salt...

11/7/2019 7:51:12 PM

To be fair, the staff was probably just making room for a different Jayland/Jaylen name on the team. I think there’s a limit

[Edited on November 7, 2019 at 7:59 PM. Reason : It’s why Jalan McLendon transfered. ]

11/7/2019 7:58:44 PM

Lol

11/7/2019 8:13:43 PM

I'll admit I haven't been keeping the closest watch on recruiting in the past, but we've had a lot of kids switch on us, especially to ACC teams

Nate McCollum to GT, Stephen Gosnell to UNC, Jonathan Adorno to UNC, Jahquez Robinson to Alabama, Jaylen Smith to ???, and Joseph Johnson to Penn State.

While we've got a good body of commits at DB/secondary and O-Line, it looks like we've only got 3 players who will catch the ball - arguably our (2nd?) weakest position this year, after maybe the linemen. Granted, one of them is Porter Rooks, who looks to be a central piece in our receiving corps once he gets here, but other than Rooks all we have is Udoh and Crabtree.

That's especially concerning when you consider our other traditional major receivers. Going off names I feel like I hear the most: Angeline (R-JR), Autenrieth (R-JR), Emezie (JR), Riley (R-JR), Lesane (FR), Thomas (R-SO), Carter (R-FR).

So essentially next season we'll have a bunch of guys who are about to graduate as our receivers, and then the next year we have to really hope that either the freshman or one of the current underclassmen step up big time.

It could be a symptom of our QB/O-Line woes this year, but receiver to me seems to be our biggest spot for concern down the road.

11/8/2019 7:11:21 AM

^If you look at them all as one big movement, then sure, it looks bad, but if you look at them individually, it makes plenty of sense.

McCollum commits as a 3* WR. He's from GA. He gets a 4* bump. He lands offers from hometown GT. He's a football/baseball commit. GT has a good baseball team and young football team. Opportunity to play close to home was a big-time appeal. Still might end up being taken in the MLB draft.

Gosnell grew up a UNC fan and we were his first P5 offer. He took the offer and ran with it. Then UNC offered him(some debate why they did it) and he flipped because he grew up in a UNC house and is a big UNC fan.

Adorno was down to UNC/NC State when he committed, UNC has a lot of momentum and flipped him. Oh well, legit nice flip by UNC.

Robinson...we really considering him in this? We were his first P5 offer in 2017 and he committed. Then comes 2018 and he gets ranked a 4* and he decommits. Over the next year he adds offers from Bama, LSU, Penn State, UGA, etc. and he ends up picking Bama. No way a kid was staying committed to us for over 2 years and he was just a young dude making sure he locked up a P5 offer in case more didn't flood in.

Smith waffled a couple of weeks ago, no doubt because bigger programs reached out. Our staff talks him into sticking with his commitment and then he lands offers from Oregon and UVA. I'm sure the kid wanted to open it up and see what offers he might pick up but also keep us as an option, but sounds like State pulled their offer.

Joseph Johnson was a situation where he wanted to commit to Penn State but his dad wanted him at NC State so he picked us the first time. His father was VERY vocal about it on social media and it's clear enough people around Johnson convinced him to go to the school he wanted and his father definitely ranted about it on social media.

Alas, we're landing 2*/3* kids that are picking up stars and having nice seasons. As other schools miss on their kids or re-evaluate kids they extend offers. No doubt teams see we're having a bad season and are trying to poach our guys. Hopefully we can hold the rest of our class together and add a few more dudes and just survive this bad rebuilding season.

11/8/2019 8:49:04 AM

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"While we've got a good body of commits at DB/secondary and O-Line, it looks like we've only got 3 players who will catch the ball - arguably our (2nd?) weakest position this year, after maybe the linemen. "

Wait what? Emezie has been disappointing but WR is easily our deepest position other than maybe dline (young tho), especially next year if Riley is healthy. Qb, RB, secondary are all easily weaker/thinner. Oline is prob weaker at a min. Lb is kinda deep I suppose, and could be a strength next year.

11/8/2019 9:25:13 AM

Yeah WR is not a position of weakness. Hines is the only guy we're losing next year.

11/8/2019 10:23:39 AM

^
Numbers don’t mean strength. Our WRs are very bad outside of Thomas who is solid. We have zero vertical threats except for Riley who has a torn acl and butter fingers.

11/8/2019 11:33:40 AM

Better QB play probably solves some WR concerns.

11/8/2019 12:08:13 PM

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"Numbers don’t mean strength"

This is exactly what I mean. We may be deep at receiver, but I have no faith in Emezie to be a lead receiver, and other than that how many guys have even seen the field, much less caught a meaningful pass?

EDIT: and yes, QB and O-line aren't helping how we look right now, but I just don't see a lot of veteran strength at the position

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 12:24 PM. Reason : d]

11/8/2019 12:24:16 PM

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"Better QB play probably solves some WR concerns."

ding ding ding ding ding

I'm fine going into next season with the receiving corp we have + rooks and 1 or 2 more freshmen who likely would redshirt. Emezie/Riley/Carter/Lesane/Thomas is a solid base plus guys who got some playing time this year like Provillon, Fisher and Powell to provide depth. It's not their fault that the only QB who knew where to throw the ball couldn't get it there and the other 2 QBs would just assume to throw into triple coverage.

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM. Reason : TBH if Riley comes back at full strength I could see him and Carter pushing emezie out of starting]

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 12:43 PM. Reason : But I don't think the QB situation is getting resolved next year so :shrug:]

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 12:53 PM. Reason : Just took a quick look at baby Finley's high school team. Yikes. At least they scored this past week]

11/8/2019 12:39:21 PM

Baby finley was putting up insane numbers the first half of the season. Apparently his team lost like their top 3 or 4 wideouts to injury so theyve began almost entirely rushing the ball. He could still be shit when he gets here, who knows, but i wouldnt put his high school teams recent play on him

11/8/2019 3:05:02 PM

They're 5-5 and 4 of their wins came against teams that are 2-8 or 1-9. They also had a three game streak of getting shutout. I feel like a D1 QB recruit should be able to at least lead his team to one TD in 12 quarters regardless of injuries, but that's just me.

11/8/2019 3:36:30 PM

WHAT UP Big Time ?!!

11/9/2019 10:11:25 PM

^^i dont personally know their situation. I just know he went from attempting 20+ passes per game to 6-8 passes per game and that was the reason given. Call up their coaches if you want a more in depth reasoning for them not allowing him to throw the ball.

11/10/2019 2:28:23 PM

is there a synopsis for 2020? should we expect improvement?

11/22/2019 10:31:31 AM

Synopsis for 2020. On paper, we should be good, but we need to avoid attrition and need everyone hurt to come back healthy.

Offense: Leary is the future at QB. We return every starter and only lose 2 players on the 2 deep(McGirt and T. Hines). We return CJ Riley, Witt, and Autenrieth who were starters before being hurt, and we potentially bring back T. Riley on the OL who was slated to start at LT. I imagine if he comes back you'll slide him to a guard position or let him be the swing tackle behind Ekwonu and Witt. Also could see Porter Rooks slotting on the 2-deep at WR.

Defense: Lose 6 players off of the defensive 2 deep including our top 2 DL. Losing Murch and JSW will be the biggest losses, particularly if McCloud opts not to use this year as a RS and come back next year. Would return all of our LBs on the 2-deep, should get back basically all of our CBs except Miller which should let Graves slide back to S and give us back 2 of our starting safeties. Getting healthy is the biggest thing and then we get to add in the transfers in Gunter(DE) and Jones(LB) who by most accounts are going to push for starting spots.

Special Teams: Dunn and Gill back to wreck shit.

Will be interesting to see how much attrition we have and how much continuity we have among the staff.

11/22/2019 11:49:18 AM

^^do you mean should we expect improvement for the 2020 season? or in the 2020 recruiting class?

in terms of the season, ^that's a pretty good synopsis.

if you're talking about the 2020 recruiting class, i don't follow it closely enough to answer that question tbh. but this 2020 class won't really have much impact on the 2020 season. ideally a lotta of these guys would redshirt. and the 2018 and 2019 classes, which were solid classes, should really start to become impact guys in 2020.

[Edited on November 22, 2019 at 11:58 AM. Reason : v]

11/22/2019 11:55:11 AM

^Ah, thought he meant on the season.

For recruiting Rooks will likely play as a true FR, outside of that, I think it's a toss up. I think Blaske and Vann have a lot of upside, but there are quite a few people ahead of them on the 2-deep and our staff has shown a preference to redshirt OL and DL to get them a year in S&C. The 2020 class has some good upside guys that are going to need to redshirt, but could see a guy like Ayden White earning some minutes depending on how our DB situation shakes out. If we land a guy like RJ Adams or flip a guy like Rico Powers, then you might see some guys pushing for minutes, but this feels like a class that ends up producing some solid players but it'll be when they're RS-SOs.

Biggest 2 additions next year will honestly be Gunter and Jones who are both redshirting this year after transferring. Also wouldn't be surprised to see a grad-transfer, particularly if we can find a legit speed guy at WR.

11/22/2019 12:46:32 PM

Two biggest factors for next year: qb obviously, but then whether the this year's dline freshman can step up to their recruiting rankings.

The DBs are what they are at this point, help isn't walking through the door, just have to hope they improve.

11/22/2019 1:33:55 PM

yeah sorry that post really wasn't clear

i meant a rundown of recruits in the pipeline for next season, either red shirts or anyone coming in expected to play as a true freshman

^^thanks

11/22/2019 1:54:30 PM