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6/26/2012 1:15:12 PM

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" hahaha he maintained their ability to compete by getting around all the scholarship penalties, just handing out track scholarships instead. he singlehandedly forced the NCAA to make that against the rules"

Fair enough, but most people won't remember that.

I still think he could have come out of this with a great public image and a pretty good chance at most other jobs in college football, but he went into "protect the program at all costs" mode and torpedoed any chance of credibility.

Of course, that would have required giving up his 216 phone records and those may have made everything a moot point. Could be he saw the corrupt situation at UNC and just said "Hey, that's totally the place for me!!!"

6/26/2012 1:20:58 PM

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"Denying a kid a spot on the team or at the school because of his father would be straight ****** up"

Agrees.

[Edited on June 26, 2012 at 1:31 PM. Reason : -]

6/26/2012 1:30:52 PM

Haha, Adam and Joe pushing the "What doesn't UNC want us to know?" angle with the Drew Davis, appeasing the Davis family to keep things quiet.

6/26/2012 4:53:24 PM

i wonder if brian doherty jr is on roy's recruiting radar

6/26/2012 4:53:43 PM

Who is Brian Doherty Sr?

6/26/2012 4:55:04 PM

Former Cincy Cavalier star, dumbass.

6/26/2012 5:04:49 PM

Isn't that Mike Daugherty, current Indy Car pit crew chief?

6/26/2012 5:11:17 PM

I though we were talking about Peter Doherty, singer for the Libertines.

6/26/2012 5:12:45 PM

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"Fair enough, but most people won't remember that."

bullshit

most people who have been following college football should remember that

it was a huge deal and again, forced the ncaa to make that rule. Now Butch Davis has been responsible for updating the NCAA rule book TWICE.

6/26/2012 5:33:58 PM

But honestly, I don't think butch was the root problem at unc, as this academic bullshit is showing.

it's just harder to run a tight ship and not let details of shady shit out with 100 guys on your team as opposed to 12.

6/26/2012 6:27:27 PM

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"it was a huge deal and again, forced the ncaa to make that rule. Now Butch Davis has been responsible for updating the NCAA rule book TWICE. "

In auto racing that'd be considered a compliment for the engineer.

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"Isn't that Mike Daugherty, current Indy Car pit crew chief?"

Brad Daugherty, former Cleveland Cavalier, current partial owner of a NASCAR team, and commentator for ESPN on the sport

6/26/2012 10:10:51 PM

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"I still think he could have come out of this with a great public image and a pretty good chance at most other jobs in college football, but he went into "protect the program at all costs" mode and torpedoed any chance of credibility."

Remaining contract >>>>>>>> public image

6/26/2012 10:27:36 PM

^^
I'm certain the Cavs play in Cincinnati.

6/26/2012 11:26:12 PM

it's bullshit this thread has a nsfw tag and the pic got deleted

6/30/2012 11:34:08 PM

7/2/2012 3:41:53 PM

Bahahaha

Isn't that oh so perfect

7/2/2012 5:55:43 PM

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"Students looking to enroll in a summer class at UNC-Chapel Hill taught by Julius Nyang’oro were likely to hit a roadblock as soon as they went online. Of the 38 courses the university says he was responsible for over five summers, 26 of them listed a maximum capacity for just one student. For many students, that would be a sign to go look for another course. But university records show more than one student enrolled in most of these courses. And often, a substantial share of those students were athletes. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/08/2185765/at-unc-no-show-classes-mostly.html#storylink=cpy"

This thread will never die

7/8/2012 7:20:37 AM

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"Older information the site captured suggests the suspect classes go back years beyond what university officials have documented. Registration data from 1999 through 2001 show 12 classes that have a one-seat maximum and no classroom or class time listed."

7/8/2012 9:33:38 AM

:cartoondickgrowing.gif:

7/8/2012 9:46:08 AM

YES YES YES

7/8/2012 9:46:47 AM

If this were to happen at any other school in NC, the hammer of God would drop and crush the souls of the school and athletes. Documents and records from decades ago would just miraculously show up, investigations would be thoourogh and swift, and the media would have a field day.

But since it happened to them, I guess the everyone is expected to kinda shrug it off and move along. That is what makes me angry.

[Edited on July 8, 2012 at 9:51 AM. Reason : .]

7/8/2012 9:47:27 AM

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7/8/2012 9:49:03 AM

7/8/2012 10:17:13 AM

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"General Manager at Burger King Studied at North Carolina Tar Heels "

saw on facebook, had to post it here

7/8/2012 11:13:14 AM

7/8/2012 11:37:32 AM

from the article above...

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"The university has released no information about its interviews with students regarding how they got into the classes; it also has revealed little from its interview with Nyang’oro. At the recent UNC Board of Governors meeting, the N&O attempted to ask Chancellor Holden Thorp and others about what Nyang’oro said in his interview. Davis interjected. “You need to talk to (Nyang’oro) about that,” she said. “That’s not for us to answer.”"

really? how is that "not for you to answer" about your interviews with a person suspected of and damned near proved to have committed academic fraud?

7/9/2012 10:23:34 AM

Another good part of that article:

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"Records released last month showed that one class – AFAM 280 – was launched two days before the start of a summer 2011 semester and immediately filled with 18 football players and a former player. Academic advisers to the football players knew the class did not meet and only involved a term paper, but still placed the athletes in the classes. The advisers told university officials they were not aware something was wrong with the class. It did not have a one-seat maximum; by then, the university had changed to a more refined enrollment system that provided professors other options to allow control over who gets into classes. The AFAM 280 class took place a year into an NCAA investigation into impermissible financial gifts and tutoring help to football players that so far appears unrelated to the academic fraud case. "

One year into the investigation and the cheating is still rampant and blatant. LOIC please.

7/9/2012 10:47:14 AM

LOIC doesn't accurately portray what's going on over there. The institution is in full control of the cheating

7/9/2012 11:17:07 AM

Damn why did I not read this today. Holden sat right in front of me all day long at a damn meeting. I really would have loved to ask him if he had read the Sunday N&O.

7/9/2012 10:05:06 PM

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/07/09/3372466/fraud-disclosures-cast-pall-on.html

7/10/2012 10:00:47 AM

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"But football and basketball players comprised nearly 40 percent of the enrollment in those classes, far outpacing their percentage (1 percent) in the school’s undergraduate population. And some classes were populated only by athletes."

[Edited on July 10, 2012 at 10:20 AM. Reason : []

7/10/2012 10:20:16 AM

lol the majority of the comments from the articles used to be defensive unc fans. now its crickets...

7/10/2012 11:20:57 AM

This thread is starting to wear thin. I just want to know what the NCAA thinks of all this and are they actively investigating.

7/10/2012 11:46:10 AM

^^ there's a limit to how many times your brain can call a turd a diamond before the smell starts to bother you.

7/10/2012 11:54:33 AM

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"But since it happened to them, I guess the everyone is expected to kinda shrug it off and move along. That is what makes me angry."

Except this isn't happening. The n&o keeps publishing new stories that are syndicated nationwide and everything is still very much being investigated.

Do you think they wave the ban hammer like a toy?

7/10/2012 12:25:48 PM

Martin, what are the radio hosts saying? Need to get the real scoop here.

7/10/2012 12:34:01 PM

All the radio guys are unc-ch journalism majors. No way they will talk about this.



:putsontinfoilhat:

7/10/2012 2:42:34 PM

^^^So there's an actual ongoing investigation then? From people that matter? From my perspective it seems like the newspapers are desperately trying to get someone's attention but no one seems to care. Sprinkle in an "internal investigation" performed by UNC, for UNC and that about sums it up.

7/10/2012 3:17:35 PM

SBI is conducting a criminal probe of D'r. N'yang'o'ro and the BOG appointed a 4-member committee to review the UNC internal report. That committee will probably recommend launching a full investigation since it has become so apparent that UNC's report was spin and damage control.

Also, the NCAA should revisit the campus, but no word on that yet.

[Edited on July 10, 2012 at 3:50 PM. Reason : 2]

7/10/2012 3:48:30 PM

I hate that EVERY article mentions that NC State was in a similar situation a long time ago and it "led to the departures of coach Jim Valvano and Chancellor Bruce Poulton."

It's like every time an article comes out the author is saying, "UNC is in the shit, remember when NCSU was in the shit like this a long time ago?"

It feels a lot like pointing fingers.

7/10/2012 4:03:01 PM

Just wish the UNC student body was forced to read these articles every day.

If only they could read.

7/10/2012 4:15:45 PM

^^ i don't mind it, except that they usually fail to mention that the NCAA found no major infractions and even the allegations weren't even remotely on the same plane as what's already been proven in evidence with what's going on at UNCCH with regards to both athletics -and- academics

7/10/2012 4:49:06 PM

WHATISTHISIDONTEVEN...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8143772/college-football-most-underrated-coaching-jobs-nation

"North Carolina: UNC is always going to be a basketball school, but there's no reason its football program shouldn't thrive in the ACC. North Carolina is one of the top academic schools in the country, and recruiting players to picturesque Chapel Hill shouldn't be difficult. There's a lot of room for growth in the ACC, and teams can move up the pecking order quickly with a couple of good seasons. New Tar Heels coach Larry Fedora will have to overcome NCAA sanctions in the beginning, however."

7/11/2012 9:47:44 AM

It's obvious the people who write those stories don't really put effort into them. They regurgitate the same tired perceptions that they've had about schools for years.

7/11/2012 10:27:00 AM

"North Carolina: UNC is always going to be a basketball school, but there's no reason its football program shouldn't thrive in the ACC. You won't need book smarts to remain academically eligible at North Carolina and the pine trees in Chapel Hill are quite the sight to behold. There's a lot of room for growth in the ACC, and teams can move up the pecking order quickly with a couple of good seasons. New Tar Heels coach Larry Fedora will have to overcome NCAA sanctions in the beginning, but the state's Board of Governors has his back."

7/11/2012 10:43:56 AM

Why not Duke then?

7/11/2012 11:00:57 AM

7/11/2012 11:19:31 AM

216 ruling july 19

https://twitter.com/ArmstrongWTVD/status/223082336261124096

7/11/2012 12:31:21 PM

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"Mark Armstrong @ArmstrongWTVD Ruling on release of Butch Davis '216' phone records will occur July 19th Mark Armstrong @ArmstrongWTVD Redacted 'Statement of Fact' forms, reinstatement requests sent to NCAA and bills from bond firm could be released today. Mark Armstrong @ArmstrongWTVD The 'Statement of fact' forms are basically UNC's description to the NCAA of the scenarios they believe constituted violations. Mark Armstrong @ArmstrongWTVD Whether athlete cell phone/bank records etc can be released as well as video recordings of any interviews with athletes, coaches...(More) Mark Armstrong ?@ArmstrongWTVD ...Compliance etc will also be decided July 19th"

7/11/2012 12:45:10 PM