I just don't have any value for "leaders" who are loud and vocal when its politically convenient and easy to pick a side but sit idle when its time to make a tough decision that might alienate potential voters.

[Edited on October 27, 2016 at 5:20 PM. Reason : elizabeth warren is a coward]

10/27/2016 5:18:44 PM

She's not a coward. She just didn't endorse the guy you liked. Keeping her mouth shut was the smartest thing she could have done for her own political career. Basically everyone has endorsed Hillary, including your boy Bernie, so get over it already.

10/27/2016 5:23:02 PM

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"She just didn't endorse the guy you liked. Keeping her mouth shut was the smartest thing she could have done for her own political career."

She didn't endorse anyone in the primary. She could have endorsed Hillary back then and I wouldn't be calling her a coward. Hell, she could have ran. Of course she did what was safe for her. Thats what makes her a coward. Real leaders don't sit idly when times are tough. She rather just stay in congress and keep making speeches about things she will never try to change so she can pat herself on the back over the soundbites.

10/27/2016 5:28:32 PM

Yeah she's such a do-nothing, sound byte loving phony. It's not like she's accomplished anything she's set out to do. That whole Wells Fargo takedown was such a charade.

10/27/2016 5:30:24 PM

it was convenient. I didn't say she wouldn't do anything. I said she was a coward who won't do anything that isn't easy or politically convenient. You are proof that its a strategy that works. Its all it takes for people like you to champion her as someone who stands up and takes down the big bad banks.

[Edited on October 27, 2016 at 5:35 PM. Reason : thank god warren saved us from the evil banks! they can never hurt us again ]

10/27/2016 5:33:11 PM

The malheur guys were acquitted. Will be interesting to see how trump or Hillary capitalizes on this.

10/27/2016 8:36:30 PM

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"I just don't have any value for "leaders" who are loud and vocal when its politically convenient and easy to pick a side but sit idle when its time to make a tough decision that might alienate potential voters."

How about someone who knew she had to be a voice of unity once a nominee had been chosen? After Obama she's been the loudest voice for bringing the party together because she knows Trump is the worst thing that can happen for the things she cares most about. I was and still am feeling the Bernie and yeah I had hoped she'd have endorsed my guy in the primary, but I don't blame her for not doing it because she wouldn't be able to do what she's doing now if she had.

10/28/2016 1:37:22 PM

Earl has trouble with words. He obviously has strong opinions, but he doesn't know what things like "rigged" or "coward" actually mean. I try not to engage with him, but I get sucked in every time. I really think he has some type of aphasia or learning disability.

10/28/2016 1:39:23 PM

Is it too early to start impeachment hearings on a president elect?

10/28/2016 1:49:46 PM

with what evidence?

a stack of unread emails?

good luck with that

10/28/2016 2:03:27 PM

The question is, where did these new emails come from? If the FBI is taking wikileaks seriously, then that might make more people look at all of the other dumps a little more seriously.

The timing of all this is suspicious to me.

10/28/2016 2:05:05 PM

Go on...

10/28/2016 2:15:39 PM

Just curious why the FBI didn't wait until after the election? I mean, I'm not being partisan when I'm saying it looks suspicious. If i were part of the Hillary campaign, I'd be asking questions regarding the timing.

10/28/2016 2:18:50 PM

Maybe Kim Dotcom wasn't full of shit? (he was tho)

https://mobile.twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/791364506425315328

Or they found emails in the podesta leaks that weren't in state docs.

10/28/2016 2:19:48 PM

Michelle Obama "whitey" tape

33k emails

Trump on video saying the n-word

And other things that only live in people's imaginations.

10/28/2016 2:23:27 PM

Oh man this is getting good. No way they reopen the case this close to the election without a damn good reason

10/28/2016 2:25:17 PM

i know it's only been 40 minutes since you posted that, but i feel like it should go in the "wrong side of history" thread already

10/28/2016 3:04:40 PM

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"If i were part of the Hillary campaign, I'd be asking questions regarding the timing."

Of course they would.

Pretty sure that's why they didn't.

10/28/2016 3:14:55 PM

FYI, case isn't re-opened unless you parrot Chaffetz statement. Case was never closed and the FBI is notoriously slow to close any case.

Comey is legally required to notify Congress as well. Not his fault it got interpreted as big bad evidence. It might be or it might not be.

10/28/2016 3:18:33 PM

pretty pathetic how most media outlets haven't changed their headlines

10/28/2016 3:26:52 PM

^^ So the case was never closed against Hillary?

and that is supposed to make her supporters feel better?

10/28/2016 3:43:19 PM

as was pointed out on Twitter, the 9/11 case isn't closed, and the D.B. Cooper case just got closed

10/28/2016 3:44:49 PM

10/28/2016 3:52:24 PM

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" How about someone who knew she had to be a voice of unity once a nominee had been chosen? After Obama she's been the loudest voice for bringing the party together because she knows Trump is the worst thing that can happen for the things she cares most about. I was and still am feeling the Bernie and yeah I had hoped she'd have endorsed my guy in the primary, but I don't blame her for not doing it because she wouldn't be able to do what she's doing now if she had."

This is all fine but lets represent her as a leader in the democratic party establishment (thats what you are describing right?) and not act like she's a legitimate force to wall street regulation which is what her reputation was. She can no longer claim that and in my opinion she sold it out even.

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"Earl has trouble with words. He obviously has strong opinions, but he doesn't know what things like "rigged" or "coward" actually mean"

lets not act like the widely held concept of rigged elections is something i came up with due to a misunderstanding of a word. Millions of people believe the elections are rigged. That doesn't mean we think people are miscounting votes. Its a more sophisticated nuance of rigging. This is the same sort of discussion I have with people who don't think racism exists in 2016. Its systemic now. People are stealing votes just like people aren't hanging negroes. You have to look deeper than traditional definitions and it does require a good bit of critical thinking skills.

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"cow·ard 'kou(?)rd/ noun 1. a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things"

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"Keeping her mouth shut was the smartest thing she could have done for her own political career.""

so it would have been dangerous for her career?
so it would have created an unpleasant situation if she did it and bernie still lost?

hmm...

This is supposed to be her keystone issue and we had two candidates who were polar opposites on this issue. She had enough influence to determine the outcome of this issue and sat idle. either she believed in reforming wall street regulations or not. I feel like calling her a coward is giving her the benefit of the doubt. At least it means she is genuine in her crusades but was too scared to take action. The alternative is that it was all a sham and she just wants a safe hold on power like most of congress. She must be painted as either a sellout or a coward but she can't avoid both labels.

[Edited on October 28, 2016 at 4:37 PM. Reason : j]

10/28/2016 4:35:59 PM

You still don't get the difference between outright rigging and things being 'unfair' or people being at a disadvantage. You keep insisting they are the exact same thing, but they're not. I've provided examples, but you don't like them, so I don't know what else to say. Here's another silly one, just for shits and giggles. Some carnival games are actually rigged so that nobody can possibly win them. The cartoonish example I can think of is having bowling pins glued together so that nobody can knock them over with a pitch. That's significantly different than a game where someone with lots of strength and power is able to ring a bell by pounding a target with a mallet, while smaller, weaker people can't. One situation is rigged because nobody can actually win, the other is just unfair because not everyone is strong. In terms of politics, obviously rich and career politicians have an advantage over unknown candidates without money, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible for them to lose. In fact, upsets happen all the time. Furthermore, voting is choice, not a game. People are certainly influenced by many things in life, but it's still ultimately a decision somebody makes, and nobody is forced to pull a lever or fill out a ballot they don't actually agree with. Voter intimidation and election fraud are examples of trying to rig elections, but studies show these incidents are extremely rare and statistically insignificant. If you don't want to accept facts, that's your choice.

Furthermore, Warren wasn't 'afraid' to endorse Sanders. She chose not to endorse either of them during the primary because she was smart enough to know that there wasn't any real benefit to picking either side. You are calling her a coward because she didn't do what YOU personally would have done or what you wanted her to do, but that's not correct. You could certainly call her calculating, self-serving, or conniving for what she did, but cowardice isn't the right word in this context.

10/28/2016 5:05:16 PM

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"You still don't get the difference between outright rigging and things being 'unfair' or people being at a disadvantage. You keep insisting they are the exact same thing, but they're not."

I'm talking about rigging the system and the rules and you think I am talking about rigging the vote count or ballots. I understand the difference but what I am talking about is a lot more than things simply being "unfair" but its certainly not going as far as changing ballots. Voter suppression, information suppression, and mass propaganda are the main forms of rigging I'm talking about.

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" That's significantly different than a game where someone with lots of strength and power is able to ring a bell by pounding a target with a mallet, while smaller, weaker people can't. One situation is rigged because nobody can actually win, the other is just unfair because not everyone is strong. In terms of politics, obviously rich and career politicians have an advantage over unknown candidates without money, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible for them to lose."

You are oversimplifying it. In terms of the election with this analogy, most of the strongest people are not even allowed into the carnival. The game itself isn't rigged, but the system that allows people to play is rigged.

Gerrymandering is another example of rigging an election without "rigging it" the way you say.

Imagine if the Warriors controled the nba rules and changed them so that 3 pointers now count as 10 points. The game is not "rigged" and the warriors still have to win but the rules are obviously rigged against teams that don't shoot as many 3s. As the team built around 3 pointers, the game is essentially "rigged" in their favor. Sure, other teams can make the same shots but they have made the outcome of the game about their strength instead of who is actually the strongest team overall.

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"calling her a coward because she didn't do what YOU personally would have done or what you wanted her to do, but that's not correct. You could certainly call her calculating, self-serving, or conniving for what she did, but cowardice isn't the right word in this context."

Well I am operating under the assumption that she prided herself on holding wall street accountable. I liked her because I saw her as someone who wanted to hold wall street accountable. The choice was between wall street's candidate and a candidate who wanted to reform wall street and hold them accountable. I'm calling her a coward because she didn't support what she allegedly stood for.

I'm fine if you want to say she was conniving and self serving instead of a coward. It just depends on how you look at it. I don't live in her brain but shes one or the other for sure.

[Edited on October 28, 2016 at 6:34 PM. Reason : k]

10/28/2016 6:31:15 PM

Alright, I get what you're saying now, but you have been saying the election itself has been rigged.
Trump supporters are saying it too.

The entire system being rigged is a completely different argument and discussion than the election itself.

"The entire political system in this country is rigged by the wealthy elite" is not the same as "Hillary Clinton and her supporters have rigged the election to steal it from Donald Trump".

[Edited on October 28, 2016 at 6:42 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2016 6:36:08 PM

well not that trump would win either way, but clinton, obama, romney, mccain, bush, gore, and their supporters ARE the wealthy elite and they will never let anyone else win

[Edited on October 28, 2016 at 6:50 PM. Reason : keep em honest]

10/28/2016 6:49:39 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/28/professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-elections-correctly-is-doubling-down-on-a-trump-win

Good read. Just a few more days to find out if he is correct or not!

10/29/2016 1:34:18 PM

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"LICHTMAN: Well, we first developed the keys in 1981, and they have since predicted correctly the popular vote in all eight American presidential elections, from 1984 through 2012"

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/despite-keys-obama-is-no-lock/

[Edited on October 29, 2016 at 2:22 PM. Reason : 30 YEARS of presidential elections lol. what a bullshit clickbait URL]

10/29/2016 2:13:56 PM

Lol, the ABC/WaPo tracking poll went from Clinton +12 to Clinton +1 in three days.

Bet my life Trump praises it after calling it rigged earlier this week.

10/30/2016 7:50:07 AM

Nothingburger

10/30/2016 10:18:42 AM

Remember Bernie and ca primary..polls said 50/50 but he got beat badly in early voting.

10/30/2016 12:53:03 PM

yeah because they told everyone hillary was already the nominee

10/30/2016 4:10:09 PM

Looks like we will have a MoE election coming up.

RCP average down to C +2.1. A lot of Republicans coming home after Comey letter.

With early voting still a big ask for trump but it's closer, no doubt.

10/31/2016 7:59:59 AM

No we really don't. Hillary's path to 270 has never been in doubt. This only ever been a question of much she's going to run up the score. Like I've said many many many times, show me a poll where Trump has a lead in PA/NH/VA/CO and we can start talking about a close race.

10/31/2016 9:00:12 AM

So reading latest report from Ralston out in NV; we can basically ignore polling. No way back for Trump. That is pretty damn big.

10/31/2016 9:39:24 AM

It will be pretty much the difference between being hit by a freight train or a wolfline bus for Trump. He is going to lose either way.

10/31/2016 10:40:10 AM

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"No we really don't. Hillary's path to 270 has never been in doubt. This only ever been a question of much she's going to run up the score. Like I've said many many many times, show me a poll where Trump has a lead in PA/NH/VA/CO and we can start talking about a close race."

While Shrike may be a relentless Hillary defender he is definitely not wrong on this one. Unless they find enough to actually put Clinton in jail she is going to be President and even if they do then Kaine is gonna be president so may as well get used to it.

10/31/2016 1:16:44 PM

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=538twitter

So Florida NC and Nevada are all within the margin of error. Trump only needs 1 more state after this to win, and nh is currently trending trump.

This is going to be close.

11/1/2016 12:20:41 AM

so you're saying every state that trump is trailing within the margin of error is somehow going to go to him and on top of that he's going to make a miraculous comeback in a blue state as well. thats the only way it could end up being close.

11/1/2016 1:02:38 AM

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"first Trump edge since May in ABC/Post poll - Trump 46, Clinton 45"

11/1/2016 7:29:24 AM

^^^ But Iowa, Ohio, and Arizona are also in the margin of error

11/1/2016 7:46:57 AM

Iowa and Arizona are basically out of play. Trump leans. Ohio is all but certainly Trump's unless something major changes.

NC will be close.

11/1/2016 8:01:32 AM

Clinton is closer in Arizona than Trump is in NC

11/1/2016 8:17:19 AM

Uh, Hillary hasn't trailed in a poll of NC since early September. It's almost as much of a lock as PA/VA at this point.

Also, here's your daily reminder that tracking polls are trash and should be ignored except for the lulz.

[Edited on November 1, 2016 at 8:24 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2016 8:19:37 AM

Fair points all.

I simply think this is far less of a given as you guys think. Especially with the both print and news media being 100% email story. Literally 90 minutes I watched CNN last night and not a second devoted to Trump aside from his surrogates calling to lock her up. It was sort of surreal. This stuff does have a cumulative effect.

*** one note about polling right now too. Republican and right firms (Gravis, Remington and Breitbart specifically) seem to be bunching polls and that has an effect on non-weighted aggregators like RCP. Specifically in PA..

[Edited on November 1, 2016 at 8:38 AM. Reason : X]

11/1/2016 8:36:14 AM

It's terrifying from a down ballot perspective, that's true. Winning the Senate is almost as important as the Presidency and that's where the real damage seems to be happening. I also think the media's reporting on the Obamacare premiums did more damage than the Comey news, both on the Presidential race and down ballot.

11/1/2016 8:40:09 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

Trump has momentum now, he's picked up about 4% in the past 2 weeks of undecided voters, if he were to keep up the same pace by election day, or if Clinton actually drops once more post-FBI polls come out, he'd be higher than Clinton.

It's a little hard to tell how this affects the voting booth this close to election day, but there's no way to say this race isn't very, very close now.

We are easily looking at a reality-tv host who got politically famous by manufacturing birther lies, for president.

11/1/2016 10:32:43 AM

Quote :

"Trump trying to bring new states into play: New $25m ad buy in CO, FL, IA, ME, MI, NM, NC, OH, WI, VA, NV, NH. Clinton recently added WI/CO."

Wow, this means for all intents and purposes the Trump campaign has punted on PA. What are his paths without PA?

11/1/2016 11:10:46 AM