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" the feds have unlimited resources and damn near a 100% conviction rate because of it."

Well, yes and no. Federal prosecutors generally prefer to accept only cases that they are certain they can win. In fact, they decline to prosecute tons of cases where the investigation produces more than overwhelming evidence for a conviction. It can't be that difficult to maintain a stellar conviction rate when you can cherry pick what you want to pursue.

Federal agencies really don't have unlimited resources. They are just distinctly different from a municipal police department that is responsible for entire spectrum of policing. Many federal agencies have a boutique portion of the criminal code that serves as their primary responsibility. It's much easier to focus funds on a narrower scope. When you have investigations that span agencies and jurisdictions, that just expands the resources available to investigators.

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"then you'll be a convicted felon who may now be unable to vote"

In the state of North Carolina (and likely many others), convicted felons can have their rights restored once they've paid their debt to society.

[Edited on February 3, 2016 at 7:11 PM. Reason : 0]

2/3/2016 7:10:49 PM

http://jezebel.com/rookie-cops-defense-attorney-calls-akai-gurley-shooting-1758237469

2/10/2016 1:01:56 PM

LAPD kills a couple who were sleeping/unconscious in a car.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/couple-killed-inglewood-police-shooting-asleep-mayor-butts-369902981.html

2/29/2016 10:08:03 AM

Yeah, saw that the other day. As more information about that case comes out, the shadier it seems. Already, we are seeing the police being tight lipped here, not even communicating with the family about how their relatives were killed.

2/29/2016 10:49:14 AM

#AllLivesMatter

2/29/2016 1:46:44 PM

http://abc11.com/news/police-involved-shooting-in-southeast-raleigh/1223954/

2/29/2016 1:57:14 PM

His momma didn't say anything about him being unarmed... That's the only info we have currently.

That's a good part of the city to burn down though.

[Edited on February 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM. Reason : Ass]

2/29/2016 2:13:21 PM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=603765

2/29/2016 2:18:18 PM

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"That's a good part of the city to burn down though. "

fuck you

2/29/2016 2:55:14 PM

The news said there was a weapon found near the dead body.

2/29/2016 4:19:45 PM

chief of police referenced a weapon "near the body" but didn't elaborate and didn't take questions

all this fucking bullshit over a drug charge

crime is a result of the illegality of drugs and the lack of regulation in the market

legalize all drugs

2/29/2016 4:20:31 PM

That makes as much sense as saying crime is the result of the illegality of murder legalize all murder.

2/29/2016 4:31:28 PM

the guy was arrested 16 times since 2011. just putting that out there.

2/29/2016 4:37:23 PM

^^No, that's just silly. Come on, man, did you not think that through?

Murder directly harms the person being mudered. Drugs (may) only directly harm the user. Crime happens around drug use because it's illegal. If it was made legal and regulated, it would cut down on a LOT of crime.



[Edited on February 29, 2016 at 4:40 PM. Reason : ]

2/29/2016 4:39:41 PM

^^ seems like the system should have done something differently the first 16 times than they did.

2/29/2016 4:52:01 PM

I like to think of hypothetical situations for a world of legalized drugs. In it Akiel is a happy go lucky chimney sweep who sings a jaunting tune as he skips from roof to roof.

In that world drug legalization leads to increased log fireplace use for complicated reasons.

2/29/2016 4:56:13 PM

TGD is at the rally, seems to be a decent number of people there.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/704470594637721600

2/29/2016 8:41:00 PM

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"They killed my son for no reason," Byrd told CNN affiliate WRAL. "Everybody out here said he was running, didn't have a gun, (was) trying to jump a fence, and that officer shot my son seven times. For what? For nothing."

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""Initially, it is known that a firearm was located in close proximity to the deceased suspect. That weapon, along with other elements available at the scene, will be processed.""

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/us/raleigh-police-shooting/index.html

The officer is presumed GUILTY of being a mean racist African-American hating bigot that gets off on shooting Black People in the back until proven innocent!

AM I RITE

It is also probably societies fault that the deceased is a felon drug dealer!

3/1/2016 1:47:29 AM

This one seems far more clear than the Ferguson one and/or many others. If the gun was his this is not one to protest...

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 8:05 AM. Reason : ^ all hail the king of straw men ]

3/1/2016 8:04:17 AM

^thats how I feel, I support BLM, and no one should be murdered just for running from the police, but if he had a gun that changes things

3/1/2016 8:14:26 AM

Went by Billy OneHunnid on FB.

3/1/2016 8:38:25 AM

looks like he was armed...

3/1/2016 8:45:50 AM

I just dislike how every time this happens it turns into a social media war between black people saying all whites are racist, especially cops, and he wasnt doing any harm to anyone because he was just running away and white people yelling about how he was a felon drug dealing thug who ran from police and deserved it.

Maybe, just maybe, we should give the cops a chance to do their job and do a little investigation before we all just jump to conclusions every single time this happens. Turns out sometimes the cops are assholes and sometimes people get shot for a good reason. I am not sure what is a reasonable amount of time to expect cops to release what they found in a case to the public but its not within a few hours like people seem to expect and its not months or years like sometimes happens in these cases. You should have a pretty damn good idea of what happened within a week or two I would imagine enough to know whether it needs to be investigated further at the least.

3/1/2016 9:10:13 AM

There are two more pretty shady shootings too. One in Alabama, and one in SLC Utah. Both involved unarmed people.



^ to be fair, I rarely see anyone (except for HUR's dumbass) claiming ALL white people and ALL cops are out to kill blacks. In my opinion, that is a ridiculous strawman parroted by the dimwitted and yuk-mouthed alike.
And to be perfectly honest, the reason the community lacks patients with the police doing an investigation is history. Time and time again in the past, and into the present, the police routinely drag their feet, withhold information, and use their 'investigation' time to doctor evidence and get their own story straight. I can sympathize with those who are victims of police brutality, who want accountability.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 9:35 AM. Reason : Dd]

3/1/2016 9:29:13 AM

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"This one seems far more clear than the Ferguson one and/or many others. If the gun was his this is not one to protest..."

unless I haven't seen an updated story, I've read nothing about the guy who was shot firing shots

3/1/2016 10:07:43 AM

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"This one seems far more clear than the Ferguson one and/or many others."

The only reason Ferguson was not clear is because some witnesses lied to incite more violence and the media played into it. People were intimidated by lying assholes to maintain the lie. In the end, all of the evidence and key witness testimony proved that Brown was responsible for his own death. Even Eric Holder's justice department found the shooting was justified.

All BLM is going to do is get more black people killed. They want to reduce law enforcement which in turn will cause an increase in crime. If they gave one shit about a black life, they would do something about gang violence which is much more likely to be the reason a black person is killed. They would do something about the single motherhood rate which is a key indicator in poverty and crime, they would do something about teaching kids responsibility and consequences instead of a grown ass woman saying "he didn't do nothing" when clearly laws are being broken. Meanwhile, leaders of these activist groups are getting paid as long as there a racial problem in our country.

3/1/2016 10:13:40 AM

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"They want to reduce law enforcement which in turn will cause an increase in crime."

I have never heard about an effort to reduce police. What i have heard from BLM is a call for more oversight, body cameras, accountability, and other reforms.

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" If they gave one shit about a black life, they would do something about gang violence which is much more likely to be the reason a black person is killed. "

They have, and they still do. This is a perfect example of how no one remembers when they speak out against these problems.

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" They would do something about the single motherhood rate which is a key indicator in poverty and crime, they would do something about teaching kids responsibility and consequences instead of a grown ass woman saying "he didn't do nothing" when clearly laws are being broken."

I think we need to divorce ourselves from the notion that one problem cannot be addressed until all problems are solved. BLM's main focus is police brutality and institutionalized racism. The fact that there are other problems plaguing the black community in no way means that BLM should stop focusing on the problems that they do focus on. Just because the graphics card in my computer is old and needs to be replaced is no reason not to buy a new computer monitor to replace my old one that only turns on 20% of the time.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 10:36 AM. Reason : Dd]

3/1/2016 10:35:28 AM

The butwhataboutism about gang violence is back!

Gang violence and murder, which is a symptom of the socioeconomic plight of urban America has very little to nothing to do with any of these bell weather events.

It's about akin to us talking about date rape and someone yelling what about the church molesting boys!!!

3/1/2016 10:35:41 AM

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"The only reason Ferguson was not clear is because some witnesses lied to incite more violence and the media played into it. People were intimidated by lying assholes to maintain the lie. In the end, all of the evidence and key witness testimony proved that Brown was responsible for his own death. Even Eric Holder's justice department found the shooting was justified. All BLM is going to do is get more black people killed. They want to reduce law enforcement which in turn will cause an increase in crime. If they gave one shit about a black life, they would do something about gang violence which is much more likely to be the reason a black person is killed. They would do something about the single motherhood rate which is a key indicator in poverty and crime, they would do something about teaching kids responsibility and consequences instead of a grown ass woman saying "he didn't do nothing" when clearly laws are being broken. Meanwhile, leaders of these activist groups are getting paid as long as there a racial problem in our country."

in 2016, after all that's happened the last couple years, it's just a fucking bummer that people are still this fucking ignorant

3/1/2016 10:58:08 AM

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"All BLM is going to do is get more black people killed. They want to reduce law enforcement which in turn will cause an increase in crime. If they gave one shit about a black life, they would do something about gang violence which is much more likely to be the reason a black person is killed. They would do something about the single motherhood rate which is a key indicator in poverty and crime, they would do something about teaching kids responsibility and consequences instead of a grown ass woman saying "he didn't do nothing" when clearly laws are being broken."

#OMG #RACISM #BIGOT #ButButThereGreatGrandparentsCOULDNOTGETMORTGAGES #HATER #INSENSITIVE

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" BLM's main focus is police brutality and institutionalized racism. "

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"Gang violence and murder, which is a symptom of the socioeconomic plight of urban America"

I'll actually agree and argue the police brutality is a symptom/reaction of this socioeconomic plight.
How do you fix this problem? For many it has been ingrained that doing good in school is "acting white" and even common sense measures such as birth control for women on welfare is considered #racist by the liberal community.

3/1/2016 11:12:33 AM

Virtual Reality is the solution here.

Cops can shoot whoever the fuck they want and people can break whatever laws they want.

3/1/2016 11:21:25 AM

That's a good question and one that is hard to answer.

But while the DOJ did find Michael Brown was responsible for his own death he and most others who were the focus of these high profile cases were NOT your classic gangbangers that were initially referenced in the post I responded to.

3/1/2016 11:22:14 AM

why is this not the one to protest if the gun is his?

3/1/2016 11:26:03 AM

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"TGD is at the rally, seems to be a decent number of people there."

TGD is trying to drum up some business.

3/1/2016 11:35:00 AM

Apparently the guy didn't hide his affiliation with the bloods: http://tinyurl.com/zkh4wd5

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 11:41 AM. Reason : ]

3/1/2016 11:41:21 AM

^^^ obviously need more information still but if he is running with a gun (i assume if it's on ground afterwards he is wielding it) you can't take chances.

I'm generally highly sympathetic to the black lives matter cause but if what is being reported is true (and it might not be) I'm not sure i could justify protesting.

Admittedly I'm not following updates on this one as closely given some other stuff I have going on.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 11:44 AM. Reason : C]

3/1/2016 11:44:20 AM

EMCE

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"I have never heard about an effort to reduce police. "

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"We DEMAND that UNC not privatize its police force and/or contract with other security or surveillance firms now or in the future. Still, a public police is no better, if not worse. Policing as an institution must be abolished, and must be replaced with restorative and transformative justice practices, rather than functioning as a mouth into our penal system. "

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"We DEMAND the complete disarming of the UNC Department of Public Safety (UNC Police) and UNC Hospital Police."

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r1Rp3Tn8sPlfbn_bO3vQXOVRnDpaDvB_ctaBKXvbpNU/edit

Granted, these folks are the extreme of BLM, but just to counter what EMCE said.

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 11:50 AM. Reason : ]

3/1/2016 11:50:09 AM

Yeah, i had never heard of that before, nor had I seen that document. I'd imagine the reason I'd never heard of it is it doesn't reflect the opinion of most in the BLM movement.


That kind of sounds like the few yahoos in the occupy movement calling for the abolition of government

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 12:00 PM. Reason : Jj]

3/1/2016 11:58:38 AM

It's no revelation that certain people will always ride the coattails of a political movement to try and get what they want out of it. That has very little to do with the movement itself.

3/1/2016 12:00:06 PM

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

BLM is not centralized, but this is the closest they have to a leader, Deeray McKesson and his crew.

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions/#solutionsoverview

3/1/2016 12:12:56 PM

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"It's no revelation that certain people will always ride the coattails of a political movement to try and get what they want out of it. That has very little to do with the movement itself."

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"TGD is at the rally, seems to be a decent number of people there."

3/1/2016 12:16:05 PM

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"unless I haven't seen an updated story, I've read nothing about the guy who was shot firing shots"

What, so now cops have to be in an active shooter situation to have lethal force justified? It's ok now to pull a gun on cops, as long as you only threaten to shoot, but not actually pull the trigger?

3/1/2016 1:49:12 PM

he was running away from the cop...

and unless something has come out that I haven't heard yet, the police have made no mention of the victim pointing the gun at the cop

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 1:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2016 1:52:16 PM

Come on man, I expect more from you. You're gonna say he was running away before they even release the autopsy? If so you're just part of the problem.

Unless you are of the opinion that the police reports and the ME reports can't be trusted, and that there is this conspiracy to protect the police.

3/1/2016 1:54:08 PM

they have a police report that says otherwise?

3/1/2016 1:56:13 PM

Have they released the report?

3/1/2016 1:57:51 PM

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" You're gonna say he was running away before they even release the autopsy?"

No, the fucking the police chief said he was running away

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 2:15 PM. Reason : That said, I don't think there enough details yet to make any judgments. ]

3/1/2016 2:14:06 PM

you implied that the eyewitness reports were in conflict with the ME or police report, which i wasn't aware existed yet

3/1/2016 2:14:36 PM

They released a statement that a gun was found "near the body". They have not released a statement that the officer even knew the guy had a gun-- they should have said as much if that were the case.

It seems the officer shot a guy running away, and it turned out he did have a gun later on. This wouldn't be justification for an officer to shoot someone in the back. The only thing that could exonerate the officer at this point is if he had reason to believe that this guy was an imminent threat in some specific way.

I can see, in a distant sense, how someone can see the cop as justified in shooting a repeat offender drug dealer, but accountability is making sure cops follow the rules. If this cop did break the laws, he should be held accountable, which is what #BLM has always asked for.

This is the only way we'll reduce further deaths in the future, this will only help us dedicate more resources that police aren't put in this situation to begin with because we're taking real measures to bring poor communities out of poverty.

3/1/2016 2:14:38 PM

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"Come on man, I expect more from you. You're gonna say he was running away before they even release the autopsy? If so you're just part of the problem. Unless you are of the opinion that the police reports and the ME reports can't be trusted, and that there is this conspiracy to protect the police."

part of what problem, exactly?

and it's no secret that cops routinely lie to protect their own

[Edited on March 1, 2016 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2016 2:14:49 PM