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5/4/2012 3:08:48 PM

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For the new page:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/05/04/2044178/report-finds-academic-fraud-evidence.html

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"An internal investigation into UNC-Chapel Hill’s Department of African and Afro-American Studies has found evidence of academic fraud
involving more than 50 classes that range from no-show professors to unauthorized grade changes for students.
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BOYCOTT DA SCHOO!!

Go read the full article, its pretty long and damning.

5/4/2012 3:11:11 PM

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Julius Nyang'oro teach here anymore

5/4/2012 3:15:41 PM

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im going to post it too, get the popcorn everyone,
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/05/04/2044178/report-finds-academic-fraud-evidence.html

damn this is just too good. plz plz expose the basketball program.

5/4/2012 3:19:14 PM

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5/4/2012 3:25:12 PM

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So didn't read the whole thread, but did anything happen because of all this?

And what are the thoughts, UNC bias or not?

5/4/2012 3:26:15 PM

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"@_andrewcarter: That internal #UNC investigation did not find evidence of athletes being given favorable treatment."


Word . Then you're just handing out grades to help regular students?

5/4/2012 3:28:00 PM

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public ivy

5/4/2012 3:32:31 PM

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^ yeah, at least if it was only athletes, it doesn't make the whole university look like a shit diploma mill

5/4/2012 3:32:48 PM

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Pretty sure I read a quote back when all the FB stuff was breaking from a basketball player who said that he had a team mate who was the only one he ever knew to fail a Swahili class. No way in hell athletes weren't all over these classes.

5/4/2012 3:34:40 PM

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Actually, what was kind of smart in an evil way was basically letting everyone pass these courses so that you couldn't then come back and say that "athletes were only benefitting".

Also of note was the unauthorized grade changes and professor signature forgeries.

5/4/2012 3:37:08 PM

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5/4/2012 3:40:06 PM

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^^ Thats the thing that gets me. I'm not even really against easy classes for athletes or even other students, at the end of the day everyone is just tring to get by and I took a few easy classes in my day too.

But why oh why go through the extra trouble to falsify and conspire on all this stuff?

[Edited on May 4, 2012 at 3:42 PM. Reason : ^lol]

5/4/2012 3:41:48 PM

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"public ivy"


haha

5/4/2012 3:43:05 PM

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I can't stop laughing at this, lol

5/4/2012 3:45:55 PM

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""@_andrewcarter: That internal #UNC investigation did not find evidence of athletes being given favorable treatment.""


yeah, that doesn't make it look any better. so instead of giving out grades to athletes...they give out grades to everyone.

carolina way and public ivy...lol

5/4/2012 3:47:58 PM

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Nyang’oro resigning?

..FIRE HIS ASS

5/4/2012 3:50:55 PM

izzykareem
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yea, on July 1st. So civil how they handle scandal over there

5/4/2012 4:02:21 PM

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5/4/2012 4:04:30 PM

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Will there be any consequences, or will they just try to sweep this under the rug?

Time to bump the Inside Carolina thread.

5/4/2012 4:15:35 PM

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"Tyler Hansbrough in SI
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1107210/index.htm

“On learning Swahili at UNC
I took a class last year [he has not declared a major], and I am taking another this year. Maybe I’ll use the language on a trip to Africa someday. There’s no reason I chose Swahili other than that I thought it would be cool. I enjoy it.”

No other reason he chose Swahili. Riiiiiiight.
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PLEEEEEASE let this take down the BB program

5/4/2012 4:23:44 PM

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^This just occurred to me as well. There is no way all of these "regular students" knew about these classes, but the bball team stayed away.

5/4/2012 4:29:15 PM

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yeah the article said the classes were popular with football players...it didn't mention other sports. that'd be something worth knowing...

5/4/2012 4:40:47 PM

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"Hartlyn and Andrews looked at all courses taught within the department starting with the summer 2007 sessions and ending with the summer 2011 sessions. Nearly all the problem courses took place in the summer sessions of 2007, 2008 and 2009."


Started in 2007 and slowed down in 2010. It's almost as if those dates are significant somehow. I just can't put my finger on why though...

5/4/2012 4:44:49 PM

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"his relationship with the department came under question when he hired a sports agent, Carl Carey Jr., who was a former athletic department academic adviser, to teach a summer class last year while the NCAA was investigating the football team for allowing other agents and their runners to have too much access to players."


So the school is under investigation for allowing sports agents too much access to the program, so this guy hires a sports agent to teach a summer class that mostly football players take. Seems legit.

[Edited on May 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ]

5/4/2012 4:51:19 PM

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yo dawg i heard you like sports agents...

[Edited on May 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM. Reason : \/ lol at that]

5/4/2012 5:09:20 PM

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Oh good, I can get some more use out of this guy:

5/4/2012 5:11:05 PM

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if you do a google site search on the official UNC CHEAT webpage for African-American Studies ... holy mackerel, most of the athletes at that school are in it, i think the entire women's bball program must be in it.

[Edited on May 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM. Reason : ^ lol]

5/4/2012 5:20:25 PM

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Flagship university my ass. Fuck Chapel Hill and all the liberal bullshit it stands for.

5/4/2012 5:28:53 PM

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5/4/2012 5:33:02 PM

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Nyang'oro was the professor of record for something like 40+ classes. Where i went to college, the professor MAYBE taught two classes a year, an odd 3 max, but 40, FORTY fucking classes?

5/4/2012 5:42:41 PM

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"Nearly all the problem courses took place in the summer sessions of 2007, 2008 and 2009. They are a small minority of the nearly 620 courses taught during that period."

That's 1 out of 12 courses. it's a minority, and maybe even a "small one", but that's freaking damning. I would hope that less than 1 out of 12 courses at NCSU is legitimate

5/4/2012 6:37:31 PM

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For a university that large, 1 of 12 courses from the same department thats not something like Eng 101 etc is pretty important to consider. That means the department sees a lot of students.

For example At state the CSC department is like 1000 people enrolled grad and undergrad and I would be shocked if I found out 1 in 12 classes over a time period was a CSC course.

5/4/2012 7:19:35 PM

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Does that department get a disproportionate amount of funding out of the university budget because of the number of courses offered? Not sure how university budgets work, but it would be interesting if that turned out to be true

[Edited on May 4, 2012 at 7:26 PM. Reason : BDS]

5/4/2012 7:25:20 PM

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UNC WILL BLAME THIS ON DUKE.

5/4/2012 9:38:28 PM

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"McAdoo sued in state Superior Court to try to get back on the team, and in doing so, he included the paper as an exhibit. Rival N.C. State fans quickly analyzed the paper and found several passages of plagiarism that the university, its honor court, university athletic and academic officials, and the NCAA did not catch. The Wolfpack fans buzzed about the plagiarism on message boards, and the media, particularly a blog known as SportsbyBrooks, took notice. The N&O confirmed the plagiarism in a follow-up report"

5/4/2012 11:21:59 PM

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Attn: UNC



go hard or go home

5/5/2012 12:00:46 AM

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"Pretty sure I read a quote back when all the FB stuff was breaking from a basketball player who said that he had a team mate who was the only one he ever knew to fail a Swahili class. No way in hell athletes weren't all over these classes.
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In addition, his academic track record was often less than sparkling as well. As one former teammate noted: “I think he failed Swahili. Everyone on the team takes that class and I’m pretty sure Will was the first one to fail.”
- http://blogs.fayobserver.com/accbasketball/October-2010/The-deeper-story-behind-Graves%E2%80%99-dismissal-(1)

5/5/2012 8:08:08 AM

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...and most people will never hear of this and it won't negatively effect the school in any way

Were it to happen elsewhere, the students, media, accreditation people, state, etc. would have burned the place down by now

Also, how the fuck do you fail a class that doesn't exist

[Edited on May 5, 2012 at 9:46 AM. Reason : ]

5/5/2012 9:44:57 AM

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5/5/2012 10:04:30 AM

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" The university now says Nyang’oro, 57, who was the department’s first-ever chairman, is retiring July 1."


Have fun paying this guys retirement, NC taxpayers.

5/5/2012 10:44:00 AM

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retiring July 1 eh? should be a good time to get him off the UNCCH payroll so he doesn't have to talk... this is all familiar territory

5/5/2012 11:27:13 AM

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could a UNC student, or even a NC school systems graduate sue them for bringing down the value of their degree?

5/5/2012 1:23:26 PM

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Doubt it, but how often do universities get caught fabricating dozens of classes and hundreds of grades within a fucking three year period?

5/5/2012 1:55:58 PM

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nm

[Edited on May 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM. Reason : ]

5/7/2012 4:09:07 PM

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"Were it to happen elsewhere, the students, media, accreditation people, state, etc. would have burned the place down by now"

come on man.

5/7/2012 4:16:59 PM

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http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/05/07/2050241/unc-football-basketball-players.html

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"Football and basketball players accounted for nearly four out of every 10 students enrolled in 54 classes at the heart of an academic fraud investigation at UNC-Chapel Hill, according to figures released Monday.

The classes were all within UNC’s Department of African and Afro-American studies. An internal probe released Friday produced evidence of unauthorized grade changes and little or no instruction by professors. Forty-five of the classes listed the department’s chairman, Julius Nyang’oro, as the professor. Investigators could not determine who was the instructor for the remaining nine.

University officials say they found no evidence that the suspect classes were part of a plan between Nyang’oro and the athletic department to create classes that student-athletes could pass so they could maintain their eligibility. They said student athletes were treated no differently in the classes than students who were not athletes.


But the high percentages of student athletes in the classes suggest to some that academic advisers and others may have guided them to the classes.

“These kids are putting in enormous amounts of time, and in at least some of the sports that are very physically demanding, they are missing a number of classes because of conflicts, and then if they are a marginal student to begin with, you’ve got to send them to Professor Nyang’oro’s class,” said former state Supreme Court Justice Robert Orr. “I think the academic counselors realized that and the tutors recognized it and frankly the folks up the food chain for the most part recognized it. But nobody wants to rock the boat because it’s big money.”

Orr helped restore a UNC football player’s eligibility to play amid the NCAA’s probe into impermissible financial and academic benefits to members of the football team. The internal academic probe is an offshoot of that investigation.

There were 686 enrollments for the 54 suspect classes. Of those, football players accounted for 246 of the enrollments, or 36 percent, while basketball players accounted for 23 of the enrollments, or three percent, according to UNC. All told football and basketball players accounted for 39 percent of the enrollments.

Football and basketball players account for less than one percent of the total undergraduate enrollment – around 120 of the more than 18,500 undergraduate students on campus. On the other hand, many of the suspect classes were held in the summer, a time when many football players are on campus. UNC-CH has spent millions of dollars beefing up academic support for student athletes. The athletic department has its own advisers who help choose classes for athletes and monitor their performance. The department also has tutors for the student athletes.

John Blanchard, who heads up academic support in the athletic department, could not be reached for comment.

The internal investigation started after The News & Observer obtained a transcript of former football player Marvin Austin, who was kicked off the team after the NCAA probe found he had received improper financial benefits from a sports agent. Austin’s transcript showed he had been placed in an upper-level African studies class taught by Nyang’oro in the summer of 2007. At that point, Austin had yet to begin his first full semester as a freshman, nor had he taken a required remedial writing class.

Nyang’oro gave Austin a B-plus in the 400 level class. The university has been unable to explain how Austin ended up in the class. He could not be reached for comment. UNC’s investigation determined it was one of the suspect classes in which there was little evidence that the instructor did much if any teaching.

Questions regarding Nyang’oro’s instruction started after another football player kicked off the team, Michael McAdoo, had made public a class paper that got him in trouble. N.C. State University fans found several plagiarized passages that the university and the NCAA did not catch.

The investigation covered courses offered within the department from the summer of 2007 to the summer of 2011, though all but two of the classes were offered from 2007 to 2009. UNC officials said the only two people within the department who appear to have been responsible for the suspect classes are Nyang’oro and his administrative secretary, Deborah Crowder. Some professors interviewed for the probe said they did not authorize grade changes that students taking the classes had received and said their names had been forged on academic records.

Crowder retired in September 2009 and declined requests for interviews by the investigators. Nyang’oro stepped down as chairman in September when the investigation was in its early stages. He is retiring July 1. Investigators found no evidence showing Nyang’oro or Crowder received any financial benefit from offering the suspect classes or for unauthorized grade changes that students received. Neither Nyang’oro nor Crowder has publicly commented on the report.

On Friday, university officials couldn’t say why no one brought the suspect classes to their attention before last summer. The two UNC academic officials who conducted the probe, Jonathan Hartlyn and William Andrews, did not interview students for the report, but Nancy Davis, a university spokeswoman, said the university’s counsel, Leslie Strohm, and its former faculty athletics representative, Jack Evans, did talk to students. Those interviews were not reflected in the report.

On Monday, Tom Ross, the UNC system president, said in a statement that he saw no need to look further into the academic improprieties.

“I believe that this was an isolated situation and that the campus has taken appropriate steps to correct problems and put additional safeguards in place,” Ross said.

Hannah Gage, chairman of the UNC system’s Board of Governors, said she would not know if the board would be seeking more information until she had talked to others on the board.
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5/7/2012 8:48:33 PM

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5/7/2012 9:03:57 PM

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There are a lot of fucking "isolated" incidents going on over there.

^^^ And I stand by my statement. How do 54 completely made up classes not get someone crucified

[Edited on May 7, 2012 at 9:04 PM. Reason : ]

5/7/2012 9:04:12 PM

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Please don't ever let this thread end.

5/7/2012 9:09:06 PM

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