I agree with this

Time to put China on lockdown for its dishonesty amid coronavirus crisis
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/07/time-put-china-lockdown-dishonesty-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-crisis-column/2954433001

#CCPLiedPeopleDied

4/14/2020 5:05:06 PM

China is most definitely a threat

4/14/2020 5:52:37 PM

So multiple reports that Trump is going to declare the country “open” as of May 1. Obviously we can’t go on like this forever and it’s both a federal and local responsibility but wasn’t the initial widespread shutdown only put in place for two reasons:

1) allow for hospitals to not be overrun (which has largely worked).

2) get in place a widespread testing, tracing and quarantine system (which to my knowledge is no where close at any state level and essentially not even being talked about at the federal level).

Without 2) we are essentially going to be in a constant state of openings and closings in localized places. The economy isn’t going to spring back and will actually be weaker, longer.

Has anyone seen any plans for 2) at any level of government?

[Edited on April 15, 2020 at 7:40 AM. Reason : X]

4/15/2020 7:39:56 AM

The USA Today article OEP posted is a joke.

Quote :

"There are many lessons to be learned from the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic. But one is already clear: China needs to be isolated from the civilized world until its behavior improves. We are in the current situation, with deaths and economic devastation worldwide, because China handled this outbreak with its trademark mixture of dishonesty, incompetence and thuggery. Were China a more civilized nation, this outbreak would have been stopped early, and with far less harm, inside and outside of China."

Ok, so civilized world is USA? And we handled it without dishonesty, incompetence, and thuggery?

Quote :

"The talk is of an accidental release, not the deliberate deployment of a biological weapon — which makes sense, since few nations would release a bioweapon in their own heartland — but if it’s true it only makes the Chinese government look worse, though it perhaps explains their unwillingness to be forthcoming"

I can think of one country that has poisoned its own people. Not gonna name names but the initials are USA

4/15/2020 8:33:22 AM

Preparing for the potential second wave coming in fall.

4/15/2020 9:56:11 AM

Quote :

" Time to put China on lockdown for its dishonesty amid coronavirus crisis https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/07/time-put-china-lockdown-dishonesty-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-crisis-column/2954433001 #CCPLiedPeopleDied"

That's what I talked about at the beginning of this thread. Cut them off from the rest of the world, isolate them again like 500 yrs ago, and we should be fine.

4/15/2020 11:08:59 AM

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"2) get in place a widespread testing, tracing and quarantine system (which to my knowledge is no where close at any state level and essentially not even being talked about at the federal level). Without 2) we are essentially going to be in a constant state of openings and closings in localized places. The economy isn’t going to spring back and will actually be weaker, longer. Has anyone seen any plans for 2) at any level of government?"

I know that PA has a bunch of drive through testing centers that are operating now. My mom went to one yesterday.

[Edited on April 15, 2020 at 11:47 AM. Reason : a]

4/15/2020 11:47:18 AM

One thing no one is talking about that is a serious cause for concern for me is it seems baked in to me from all the experts and in turn media that we have this widespread vaccine ready in 12 to 18 months. (In March it was all over media it would be 12 months til we had a vaccine. We're now a month later and they're reporting 12 to 18.) There's really no evidence to support that we are absolutely going to kill this virus dead and come up with a 100% effective vaccine by the start of 2022. It absolutely can happen and a lot of money is being thrown at it, but there's no acknowledgement of development drawbacks for a vaccine or perhaps it's a widely mutating virus where you're constantly playing whack-a-mole...

4/15/2020 12:28:55 PM

No vaccine is 100% effective, but it would greatly reduce risk factors

4/15/2020 12:33:03 PM

^^Even the common flu vaccine is hit or miss every year. They try to guess which strain will be worse and plan for that. And we've been dealing with the flu for how long now? I couldn't imagine the first wave of vaccines being that effective.

4/15/2020 12:37:26 PM

^, ^^ Right so the notion we're going to work up some vaccine and everything is going back to normal with no deaths moving forward is at best hopeful thinking. Yet I feel like that is what most people think.

This is going to have long-term lingering effects on everyone, even post-vaccine, compared to 2019/2020 numbers. Travel, retail, people buying tickets to events, etc. are all probably still seeing meaningful declines to where their industry has become for the immediate future permanently smaller as a result. The higher education business is going to have a drastic permanent change from this I feel. Then you have stuff like the cruise industry which might be completely dead, or just one or two players survive while the rest disappear.

[Edited on April 15, 2020 at 1:43 PM. Reason : /]

4/15/2020 1:41:13 PM

I heard a report that they were trying to fast-track a remdesivir trial.

I just looked it up and it's a Gilead drug. Thus, i lost hope anything would be fast.

But, if i'm not mistaken, clinical trials to prove an alternate use for an existing drug are quicker, so it's at least a good idea to make efforts like these.

and notice i said things like "clinical trial" and "prove" and NOT words like "miracle" or "magic" or "hydroxychloroquine" like an orange asshole

4/15/2020 1:44:30 PM

^ In theory, clinical trials on existing drugs are quicker because novel drugs have to go through dosage and side effects testing that naturally eats up a ton of time. The FDA can escalate things, but hearing the POTUS say things like "why don't we try it, it might work" is such a sick joke and a slap in the face to all of the science and regulations behind submitting and developing a safe, effective therapeutic.

4/15/2020 2:08:04 PM

[Edited on April 15, 2020 at 2:37 PM. Reason : nvm]

4/15/2020 2:23:18 PM

I know what it said.

4/15/2020 9:02:33 PM

Spill it then

4/15/2020 9:46:02 PM

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" I know that PA has a bunch of drive through testing centers that are operating now. My mom went to one yesterday."

That’s a fine anecdote but there is story after story still regarding tests being not fulfilled and simply not available. And again, even if testing is A+ there has been nearly no planning (NY and CA only today even talked about it) about contact tracing and resulting quarantines. Without a plan, testing is essentially a cool story to tell friends.

It’s absolutely batshit to talk about opening the economy up without this. And not to be too cryptic but I know first-hand quite a few of the business execs told the Trump admin that today — not that it will matter. And these are people with no souls and a vested interest in opening. Even they know they can’t grift money on the backs of their labor if their labor is all sick and/or dying and there is no consumer demand.

I’m not trying to solely blame the Trump admin here either. States and local have also dragged their feet. It’s ridiculous. As I said our social distancing saved lives by relieving pressure on the hospital system but without part two it’s just going to be overwhelmed again!

4/15/2020 9:51:36 PM

I know it's horrible, but...

A prominent GOP politician getting sick and dieing is the best thing that could happen at this point. It's the only way to get through to these people.

Not that Trump will ever give a shit. He's just trying to make it to November 3. He doesn't care what happens after that.

4/15/2020 10:00:37 PM

The fact that PA has drive through testing facilities and NC doesn't is a prime example of how the federal response to this pandemic has failed us as a nation. One state shouldn't be better than another at something like testing for a virus. These tests should be something that is federally driven.

I don't have as much hair as I used to but what little bit I have left I want to pull out.

[Edited on April 15, 2020 at 10:05 PM. Reason : sadf]

4/15/2020 10:05:14 PM

hey there's an urgent care in charlotte that's advertising 5 minute covid tests. just ignore the fact that the test they're using isn't FDA approved and gives a high number of false negative results!

4/15/2020 11:08:25 PM

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"A prominent GOP politician getting sick and dieing is the best thing that could happen at this point. It's the only way to get through to these people."

That's so horrible!!!!11

[Edited on April 16, 2020 at 3:26 AM. Reason : And the best one would fit in perfectly at Halloween ]

4/16/2020 3:23:51 AM

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"The fact that PA has drive through testing facilities and NC doesn't is a prime example of how the federal response to this pandemic has failed us as a nation. One state shouldn't be better than another at something like testing for a virus. These tests should be something that is federally driven."

Public health and also law enforcement are both locally-held competencies. Unless you get the army involved (and there's a post-Reconstruction era law that sharply limits what the army can be called to do domestically), they literally don't have the manpower. All the federal government can do is spend money. This crisis to me has been a great example of the benefits of federalism. Do you know how badly screwed up a one size fits all solution to all the problems for this coming from people living in a bubble in D.C. would be?

If it's a major problem to you with North Carolina not having drive-through testing facilities, blame the North Carolina state government.

[Edited on April 16, 2020 at 7:36 AM. Reason : /]

4/16/2020 7:34:35 AM

The details of testing -- who to test, where, and how -- are necessarily local, but the rest isn't. Everyone needs the same test kits, the same PPE, the same test processing. A competent federal government can spend and provide back-office support to local personnel. Logistics, subject matter expertise, planning and coordination, training, communications, supply chain, etc. would all improve local response without encroaching on local government powers.

Of course this requires not only competence, but also an administration with an actual desire to respond.

4/16/2020 11:28:51 AM

breaking: it escaped a lab

4/16/2020 12:38:40 PM

^^ I listened to a Lawfare podcast and per the guy that had held every public health position you can think of in Maryland, our country lost 2 to 3 weeks due to the first CDC-developed coronavirus test being faulty. That would've been helped by the Chinese sharing data with the CDC. The CDC offered to send people and help look at the data in early January, and per the CDC, they never even received a response.

One federal law change I think should come out of this and I think most everyone would support is PPE becomes reclassified as a critical item necessary for national security that it needs to be manufactured domestically up to a certain level. One issue with getting PPE was the Chinese were keeping everything made domestically and production of it had been offshored to there. Plus it has the bonus of creating domestic jobs. Wouldn't surprise me if most governments in the world did that.

[Edited on April 16, 2020 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2020 12:59:55 PM

fucking commies cant even run a lab.

4/16/2020 1:15:43 PM

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/15/834946026/major-league-baseball-joins-the-fight-against-coronavirus-in-a-big-way

4/16/2020 1:15:50 PM

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"breaking: it escaped a lab"

source please

4/16/2020 1:26:10 PM

^^Link? The only information I've read about lately is from Fox news, which...is Fox news.

4/16/2020 1:27:33 PM

uh cnn and wapo? why dont you learn to read or google, trash.

4/16/2020 1:29:18 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html

Quote :

"US explores possibility that coronavirus started in Chinese lab, not a market"

Quote :

"The theory has been pushed by supporters of the President, including some congressional Republicans, who are eager to deflect criticisms of Trump's handling of the pandemic."

Quote :

"Joint Chief of Staff Chairman Mark Milley acknowledged this week that US intelligence is taking "a hard look" at the question of whether the novel coronavirus originated in a lab. "I would just say, at this point, it's inconclusive although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural (origin). But we don't know for certain," Milley told reporters on Tuesday."

4/16/2020 1:36:17 PM

im very sorry your favorite newspaper (wapo) is investigating your favorite government (china).

but unfortunately the wuhan lab was stupid dangerous in 2015 and commies are notoriously bad at keeping the lid on literally anything.

so eat a dick... youre gonna look real stupid by the end of the year (adultswim).

4/16/2020 1:39:59 PM

literally just posting what the article says. i think we should wait for conclusive evidence rather than trust speculation from trump government officials trying to cover for him.

4/16/2020 1:43:53 PM

^^Holy moly. Where in the world is your anger coming from dude?

4/16/2020 1:46:39 PM

1) i wasnt talking to you.

2) why dont you go back to TSB and regale us with your typical naive analysis / hot takes?


[Edited on April 16, 2020 at 1:56 PM. Reason : length x2]

4/16/2020 1:51:19 PM

Really? You called me trash. That's not necessary.

4/16/2020 2:02:23 PM

Is this Trump trying to mimic Dubya by claiming that "intelligence shows us that they did this and they are very bad ppl, ok?"

4/16/2020 2:28:24 PM

Y'all, Should I be concerned about this new viral threat?

4/16/2020 2:37:37 PM

^^ The same Trump that hates the deep state intelligence apparatus?

4/16/2020 2:42:20 PM

Behind all the blister and diarrhea of the mouth it seems Trump is doing the only thing he legally can and providing guidance and allowing states to make their own decisions wrt opening up again.

I know it’s like praising a dog for not shitting on the rug but that is a good thing.

4/16/2020 4:00:44 PM

I agree. He's not been Giuliani post 9/11 but I don't think he's performed that much better or worse than other Western leaders of free societies open to a lot of international travel both ways.

One thing on a message board I'm on which is mostly British Commonwealth in membership is some have remarked they weren't really aware of our federalism and how powerful our governors are in situations like this. As a principled regionalist, I'm glad. Only governors better be the last few hopefuls for the 2 main parties come 2024 election. Governors actually get shit done.

[Edited on April 16, 2020 at 4:32 PM. Reason : /]

4/16/2020 4:27:34 PM

Quote :

"Behind all the blister and diarrhea of the mouth it seems Trump is doing the only thing he legally can and providing guidance and allowing states to make their own decisions wrt opening up again. I know it’s like praising a dog for not shitting on the rug but that is a good thing."

I only wish that the other side was capable of having the same sentiment.

4/16/2020 6:43:25 PM

Quote :

" i think we should wait for conclusive evidence rather than trust speculation from trump government officials trying to cover for him."

pretty sure the US govt sent people to the lab multiple times before Trump was even in office

4/16/2020 6:52:12 PM

Yes, they absolutely did.

That being said, didn’t the Trump admin recall a part of the CDC that was “advisors” or at least meant to keep tabs on those type of labs? I can’t recall when or what publication but I feel like I read that from a reputable place somewhat recently.

4/16/2020 6:59:56 PM

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"pretty sure the US govt sent people to the lab multiple times before Trump was even in office"

those aren't the people pushing these conspiracies

4/16/2020 7:21:57 PM

So whats stopping people from going from closed states to open states?

If your state is in phase 2 essential travel is permitted and you can legally travel to a phase 3 state.

It also seems nothing is stopping teachers in states with governors who seem interested in staying shut as long as possible for going to a phase 2 state two weeks from now and getting a job as a teacher since a certain % of teachers are overage, theres going to be a shortage.

4/16/2020 7:22:25 PM

The Washington Post and FOX News citing government sources regarding the coronavirus’s origin gives me flashbacks of Dick Cheney’s Meet the Press reference to Judith Miller’s reporting in The New York Times that cited government sources regarding Iraqi WMDs.

4/17/2020 12:13:19 AM

You can now buy wholesale gasoline in the Midwest for 12 cents a gallon.

4/17/2020 7:33:58 AM

China revising their numbers. Their count now still doesn't reach 4k deaths....I don't see how that's possible.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/asia/china-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-intl-hnk/index.html

4/17/2020 8:14:41 AM

Looking forward to all the people who willfully ignore science dying when everything gets reopened too early.

Looking forward to a society that doesn't pressure me into "saving" service industries. They serve me, I have no obligation to them.

Looking forward to a day when knowledge is valued over ca$h.

Would be great if this pandemic served as a jolt to wake people up and reconsider what's important.

But instead, we're still just gonna end up living Idiocracy.

4/17/2020 9:00:55 AM