Man, another cheating scandal would just be deflating.

1/19/2015 4:46:33 PM

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/20/7864117/patriots-deflated-footballs-nfl-new-england-bill-belichick

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"The NFL found the New England Patriots used deflated footballs during the AFC Championship, according to a report from Chris Mortensen of ESPN. According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. While Mortenson cites league sources the NFL is yet to comment on the investigation. The Patriots maintain they will cooperate with the NFL. Reports about under-inflated footballs used by the Patriots surfaced only a few hours after the AFC Championship ended. The NFL and the Patriots responded the following day, with the league saying it would look into the matter and expected to resolve the investigation quickly. The inflation of the footballs may not have come into question had Tom Brady not thrown an interception. According to reports, D'Qwell Jackson handed the ball he intercepted to a member of the equipment staff. That person then told Colts head coach Chuck Pagano of the issue with the ball. Word was eventually passed on to Indianapolis general manager Ryan Grigson and Mike Kensil, NFL director of football operations."

1/20/2015 11:14:37 PM

when are the measured the first time and when were the measured the second time? if the first measurement is inside a conditioned area before the game, and the second measurement is immediately after they are cold from being outside, that seems like it explains the difference.

1/21/2015 11:41:37 AM

i wonder how consistently they were under inflated.

i.e. if minimum is 12.5, and they were all at 10.5 then i would assume air temperature (fill with very hot air), or deliberately letting air out. both are obvious tampering.

if they were more randomly distributed I would assume that play could have impacted the air pressure (slightly Leaky balls let out more air when spiked, kicked et cetra), or casually letting air out (i.e. players using a pin), but not pervasive planned leaking.

1/21/2015 11:45:51 AM

Assuming no air goes into or out of the football

T1=Temperature 1 =140 degrees F
P1=Pressure 1 =12.5

T2=Temperature 2= 40 degrees F
P2 Pressure 2 =10.5

I think I'm right here that if they fill the balls with 140 degree air, that over the 2 hour rest period in the cold they would fall to 10.5

1/21/2015 11:56:01 AM

I mean, the Colts balls didn't inflate in the same temperature/environment but 11 of the 12 Pats balls did?

Riiiiiiight, haha.

Bill back to his cheating habits. Another slap on the wrist(fine, loss of pick) to go with another SB ring, haha.

1/21/2015 12:25:59 PM

Does anyone else have no idea who to cheer for between Seattle and New England?

1/21/2015 12:28:34 PM

^^^imagine a unc message board trying to solve this riddle...

"dur,,, uh... math? science? Jobs?"

1/21/2015 1:22:57 PM

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"Does anyone else have no idea who to cheer for between Seattle and New England? "

1/21/2015 1:44:26 PM

Why is that even a question?

1/21/2015 1:55:17 PM

root for the stadium to collapse like I do everytime the deflatriots aren't playing the Panthers

1/21/2015 1:56:32 PM

I still don't know how the Pats could've controlled when their balls were used. Each team provides 12 balls. But after that, the officials determine when a new ball is used, right? Wouldn't Luck end up gripping and ripping some of the underinflated balls too? And are some under inflated balls going to cause Luck's overrated ass to get blown out by 40 points?

1/21/2015 2:53:54 PM

each team changes out the balls when they are on offense, right?

1/21/2015 2:57:21 PM

^Yes. All 12 balls the Patriots provided would ONLY be used by the Patriots on offense. So no, Luck wouldn't have a chance to try throwing on of the deflated balls.

1/21/2015 3:00:18 PM

And not one official noticed it when they would get the ball from a Pats offensive player after the play was over, and toss it to another official to mark it at the proper yardline? I dunno.

1/21/2015 3:15:54 PM

This would be a non issue if it weren't the patriots and they had already been punished for cheating. Lets not forget the shit the pulled against baltimore that wasnt really cheating by the rules, but was pretty clearly meant to be as close to cheating as you can get. Like others have said if it means winning superbowls then whatever fines or draft picks they lose was worth it anyways.

1/21/2015 3:27:08 PM

Well Spygate netted $500,000 from Bill and a 1st round draft pick.

This is a 2nd offense...though I'd be surprised if they did more than that. Can't keep them out of the SB, think the most severe thing they'd consider is banning Bill from the SB(and any remaining planning leading up to it).

1/21/2015 3:34:41 PM

^ i could see suspended Bill being like "oh i'm still coming to the game, i'm still standing on the sidelines and their is nothing you can do about it"

1/21/2015 3:39:04 PM

if there is an explicit penalty for this exact offense in the rulebook, enforce that penalty

it's not like the NFL hasn't made it up as they've gone before, but I don't see a reason why the Patriots should be disciplined any harsher than any other team

EDIT: I read earlier that the penalty for breaking the rule is a $25,000 fine, but I can't seem to find that rule, so who knows?

[Edited on January 21, 2015 at 4:11 PM. Reason : V]

1/21/2015 3:45:09 PM

what is penalty then?

1/21/2015 3:59:22 PM

on PTI they both referenced the penalty I read earlier, which is a $25,000 fine

1/21/2015 5:35:22 PM

I really just can't bring myself to care about the Patriots cheating (again)

The NFL just needs to go to a standard ball instead of each team providing their own.

1/21/2015 6:10:58 PM

Tree, Refs did notice, and they tested some of the footballs at halftime.

I didn't think it was a big deal untill I saw a demonstration, I think it could significantly help the qb with accuracy in the rain/cold

[Edited on January 21, 2015 at 7:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2015 7:19:28 PM

^demonstration you say?

1/21/2015 7:20:26 PM

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"^demonstration you say?"

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12207314

1/21/2015 10:51:09 PM

I prefer the term "Ballghazi" for the situation.

1/22/2015 7:48:30 AM

Front page of The New York Post for the fucking win, hahaha.

1/22/2015 8:35:49 AM

I laughed so hard, I was in pain:


Cam Newton getting some good face time.

1/22/2015 2:25:37 PM

LOL

Quote :

"MORE STICKS ..... I WILL EAT"

1/22/2015 2:37:45 PM

Quote :

"Citing nearly 20 Browns sources, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler and Pat McManamon report Johnny Manziel exhibited a "year-long pattern" of lacking commitment and preparation to football and a "continued commitment to nightlife" during his rookie year. One player called Manziel a "100 percent joke." Team security reportedly found Manziel "drunk off his a--" the morning before the Browns' season finale. He was fined for missing a treatment for his injured hamstring and spent the Week 17 loss to Baltimore in Cleveland's locker room. During his first NFL start, "Several sources said Manziel either didn't know the plays in the huddle or didn't call them correctly." Sources also told Fowler and McManamon that since-departed OC Kyle Shanahan preferred Jimmy Garoppolo and Tom Savage to Manziel as a 2014 draft prospect. Fowler and McManamon claim Manziel still has some "support in the (Browns') building," though it's mostly "on the business side." "

1/23/2015 4:32:00 PM

What would you do with all that money? I too might be a little bit if a partier....

Also, who is doing Super Bowl Squares? I know we can't commit that much money or trust people, but we should do one for fun or something?

1/23/2015 8:35:48 PM

Josh Gordon reportedly fails yet another drug test

1/25/2015 4:05:16 PM

Jamarcus Manziel?

1/25/2015 4:17:26 PM

^^ Kid seriously has something wrong upstairs

1/25/2015 4:52:37 PM

Love the twitter outrage that he's being punished for drinking. "Alcohol ain't illegal"

FOH MANE

1/25/2015 9:22:27 PM

Andy freaking Dalton

1/25/2015 11:22:39 PM

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"Johnny Manziel exhibited a "year-long pattern" of lacking commitment and preparation to football and a "continued commitment to nightlife" during his rookie year."

so he's basically Matt Leinart.

1/26/2015 10:31:41 AM

I am in for squares. We could all do user names and have 25 of us play with 4 each? Seems fun? I made one for my friends and I for real so I could do one here, but do we even have 25 users LOL.

1/27/2015 2:22:24 AM

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"^^ Kid seriously has something wrong upstairs"

Because he is throwing away thousands or millions, yes.


BUT, he got suspended for alcohol this time and weed the first time. Fucking bullshit NFL rules

1/27/2015 2:48:03 AM

This is an interesting look at team rosters and how far they are from Super Bowl quality teams. http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team

The Panthers page is interesting, listed as a contending team but with more "bad" players than the league average. I think Kelvin Benjamin should be in the "good" category as opposed to average, and could very well be "elite" by the end of next season. Add one more good wide receiver to the mix, continue growth in the RB rotation, and replace Hardy and we're there.

1/27/2015 6:15:02 PM

Kelvin is good, but he is pretty damn far from being elite

(this "elite" bullshit has gotta stop)

1/27/2015 6:51:04 PM

lynch sounds like such an idiot

1/27/2015 6:57:40 PM

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"1,846 total yards (third overall), 103 receptions (NFL record for a RB) and 10 touchdowns"

seems better than "average" to me

1/27/2015 8:16:51 PM

man, they shit all over Amerson in that espn article

also, the only four QBs that they ranked as elite are Brady, Rodgers, Brees and......Big Ben. womp womp

1/27/2015 8:44:24 PM

man, they shit all over Amerson in that espn article

also, the only four QBs that they ranked as elite are Brady, Rodgers, Brees and......Big Ben. womp womp

1/27/2015 8:44:24 PM

they praised the hell out of Willie Young at least

1/27/2015 9:23:59 PM

lynch sounds like such is an idiot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-iel089cEE

Better to have RW do his robot interviews than hear Beastmode's last two brain cells tackle yes or no questions.

1/27/2015 11:14:57 PM

who gives a shit if he's smart or not?

I'd much rather hear him speak/fuck with the media than hear anything Russell Wilson says

Lynch says more than Russell does without saying much

1/27/2015 11:23:26 PM

I support Marshawn Lynch in his quest to shun the media. I understand why the NFL makes players address the media, because if they didn't, they wouldn't get the constant attention and narrative that they want for the league. But their policy should be more relaxed.
There are plenty of companies that make their employees sign agreements saying they will not talk to the media about their business if asked. In lots of cases, only upper management can interview with tv or newspaper sources.

1/27/2015 11:23:48 PM

His schtick is old. But if he wants to keep paying fines to the league, he can.

1/27/2015 11:54:09 PM