I need a little feedback on some things I want to do.

I'm implementing an anti-dupe/hack system today. The only feature I'm undecided on is the anti- durability glitch mod. It basically makes it so when you drop tools/swords/etc they disappear. So you actually need to craft tools.

I'm also looking at putting in some cool minecart features once notch fixes the chunk loading issue. It makes things like gold, obsidian, and gravel legitimately useful. I could get minecarts/boats working now with the new anti-hack system, but there would still be crashes at chunk boundaries, which would be annoying.

We've been musing on the idea of adding some sort of economy to the server. Once I get the inventory/item hacks patched (mostly), and clear out the already duped items, it will be craft/mine only with the exception of unobtainable items. After the system is set up I'm banning anyone caught duping/hacking. I had hoped with a closed community it wouldn't be an issue, but apparently I was wrong.

Back to the economy, there is a mod out now that adds intangible currency and auctions to the game. This is fairly useful on it's own, but with the limited number of people on the server it won't help too much. There is another mod being developed that adds NPCs and questing, and should soon integrate with the economy mod. This will allow me to setup NPC shops to purchase items, as well as a good way of doing quests/public works for rewards. I think it's a cool idea, but I want some feedback on it.

The last thing I'm considering right now is adding PvE/PvP to the server. I haven't really seen how it works, but there are mods to implement these features. It could be fun, or it could suck. If you want to try it let me know.


Also need to work on switching the server over to MySQL from flatfile. The player database should be easy enough, but some of the mods might go a little screwy while I work on it. Bear with me.

Thanks for the feedback, and if anyone has suggestions or ideas let me know.

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM. Reason : .]

11/15/2010 9:27:10 AM

I think the less mod's the better, just for your sanity. Otherwise, it will be a constant struggle for you... Notch has stated he is "against" mods, and every mod has the chance to break at every update. That said, if you don't mind (enjoy?) constant piddling the more features the better!

I didn't realize dupe/hacks were frowned upon (when obviously the main city and road materials weren't mined). First I've heard of it. Will honer it from now on. The mod is certainly a good idea to "keep honest man honest".

Minecarts/boats, Economy, PvE, PVP all sound very intriguing.

PvE certainly makes the game seem "more real"... and I love building monster traps. Is TNT enabled once you can harvest gun powder from mobs?

PvP especially sounds awesome-- I always thought a Capture the flag / Fort Wars thingy would rock in this game... although with PvP I think it would be good to have zones where you can opt-in (else greifing will be an issue). Also, I would think you would need "faction zones". We'd probably need a lot more people before this became fun though.

What is the name of the economy mod?

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM. Reason : typo]

11/15/2010 9:53:05 AM

The minecart features sound awesome.

I love the idea about NPC shops and economy/questing.

PVP sounds pretty cool too.

11/15/2010 10:23:01 AM

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"The only feature I'm undecided on is the anti- durability glitch mod. It basically makes it so when you drop tools/swords/etc they disappear. So you actually need to craft tools."

This is the only one i really have an opinion on, and I wouldn't like this one. It's already ridiculously time consuming to build anything large, and having to remake tools that dont stack over and over again really doesnt add anything to the game at all.

I wouldn't be in favor of this one.

Plus, I can't count how many times ive accidentally hit Q instead of 1 or 2 when trying to swtich tools.

11/15/2010 10:51:37 AM

Minecraft for the XBOX360 (voxel engine)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy4mLCKBMEI

Here's a better demo. 1080x720 HD running at 60FPS. The graphics are amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgRmn0rQUIs&feature=related

Sourcecode: http://techcraft.codeplex.com/

Notch's days are numbered. He'll probably start trying to sue them soon.

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

11/15/2010 10:54:57 AM

I want the durability glitch ON. It is painful to remake your pick every 30 seconds (I dig - this is all I do - nonstop)

11/15/2010 10:55:29 AM

I agree with wolfmarsh and mildew on the durability thingy...

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM. Reason : durrr]

11/15/2010 10:58:08 AM

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"Notch's days are numbered. He'll probably start trying to sue them soon."

You missed the part where he made 7 million dollars using his "crappy" graphics

I don't know what fantasy land you live in where someone comes along in a weekend and knocks notch out of the water with marginally improved graphics. Those there: they are tech demos, not games. Notch has been working on minecraft for a year and a half.


[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM. Reason : wot]

11/15/2010 11:23:45 AM

^, ^^, ^^^ - I was leaning towards that anyway. It's not really game-breaking, and is more convenient.

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^x5 - notch isn't against serverside mods, he's against mods that alter the game-client code. He clarified that on his blog. Most of these mods aren't hard to keep running once the initial setup is done. I also steer clear of any that cause lag. If you have another reason for not liking mods, let me know so I can take it into consideration.

I thought anything that required some sort of glitching technique would be obviously frowned upon. The central city and roads were done with spawned materials by the admins for the whole community. Any community oriented projects will have materials supplied, but personal projects should be legitimate. If you need something you can't normally get then ask for it. We plan on giving people support if they support the community, be it through helping with projects or unique ideas. Hopefully shops/economy will make it easier to obtain materials anyway.

TNT will remain off until a better way of controlling it comes out. It really isn't THAT useful, and has way too much potential for abuse. I would like to think that wouldn't be an issue, but I've learned not to underestimate how shitty people can be.

There is another mod I could implement that adds king of the hill and capture and hold minigames, both PvP oriented. There's a huge one that involved owned towns and such, but I don't think we have enough people to make that worthwhile.

The economy mod I'm looking at is iConomy. It actually has "sign" shops already, so I may go ahead and implement it before the NPC mod is ready for release.

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Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming! If you see something cool on forums/another server that you think would be nice to have let me know, I'll consider anything put forward.




*^ Don't feed the troll. INTERNETS 101 KAY?

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ^]

11/15/2010 11:26:07 AM

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"(I dig - this is all I do - nonstop)"

I would really like to recruit you to help dig out an enormous underground area to eventually build a town in.

After I put the finishing touches/furnishings on my pirate ship, I'll need a new project.

11/15/2010 11:48:36 AM

Notch is just a fat dude in his basement. Any decent development team could duplicate and surpass his efforts in a couple weeks as long as the engine was already built. Besides, notch implements stupid things. Skeletons that shoot arrows? Chopping wood with your hands? Can't scoop moving water? What sense does that make? And don't even get me started on redstone...too much stupid there to even comprehend.

I'd like to see a true voxel survival game with crazy animals and such that come out to eat you at night. Kind of a land of the lost vibe. Something to really trigger those mammalian instincts.

11/15/2010 12:01:59 PM

^^ Keep me posted. We can be the mole people of the world.

11/15/2010 12:38:32 PM

Pirate, you know ill help you. I am bored with what I am building at the moment.

You gonna be on tonight?

11/15/2010 12:39:05 PM

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"^^ Keep me posted. We can be the mole people of the world."

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"Pirate, you know ill help you. I am bored with what I am building at the moment. You gonna be on tonight?"

Yep, I'll likely be on tonight. I'm brewing up a few ideas already. Looking forward to becoming a mole person. Just need to find the right place to start.

11/15/2010 1:28:56 PM

ok, i was banned, why? for duping? I just found out about that now. There was not a no-duping law when i figured it out, so can i have a second chance?

11/15/2010 7:37:12 PM

My two cents on the duping thing.

There were structures built in town center that were not mined. I can understand using free resources for roads and the town center layout but building any structure with out mining and then frowning upon duping is sorta hypocritical. Mods built there houses or whatever without mining. Also, this rule should be posted in the rules area in the town center before enforcing.

/rant

11/15/2010 9:20:22 PM

The natives are restless. Cracks are appearing.

11/15/2010 9:50:18 PM

^^ I'll make you a deal. You spend a few days setting up a box, writing scripts, working through bugs, building the community resources, helping people get set up, and PAYING FOR THE GOD DAMN SERVER, and you can spawn in anything you want. Good deal amirite?





Now accepting donations.

11/15/2010 10:20:49 PM

I would defiantly provide beer if the circumstance arose.

11/15/2010 11:21:29 PM

So since saturnine's getting all emotional and power-crazed, who is setting up the replacement TWW server?

11/16/2010 1:21:07 AM

^He built a conservative looking townhouse on one of 12 plots in the city, oh no! He's gone off the handle!

11/16/2010 3:03:52 AM

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"Minecraft for the XBOX360 (voxel engine)"

I still kinda prefer the graphics as they currently are, but the flashlight was a nice touch.

11/16/2010 10:12:42 AM

Didn't make the edit.

So I have a 4 x 2 painting I want to place but can't. It looks like the painting selection is random, but I never get my 4 x 2. Is the only way to get it to destroy a painting and keep reapplying until it makes the random selection?

Also, any restrictions on the dimensions? Like 2 x 5, 1 x 6, etc.?

EDIT: So there are restrictions on the dimensions. If I want a 5x2 I'd have to make a 4x2 and span the image over to a 2x1.

Still it's hard to get a 4x2 to be selected.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM. Reason : -]

11/16/2010 10:47:08 AM

Just FYI, paintings cant be seen in multiplayer.

11/16/2010 12:45:58 PM

^^ Yeah, you have to keep destroying/replacing. There's no method of specifying right now. That being said ^ is right. Paintings don't show up for anyone else in multiplayer, and will disappear after a server restart. Netstorm found that out the hard way with his art gallery.



Also, the map has been updated. I'm curious as to what the hell the obsidian/lava structure northeast of the spawn is... and how someone got that much obsidian/lava to begin with. Seems like a lot of effort.

11/16/2010 1:24:07 PM

I like the shovel. Nice touch:

11/16/2010 1:52:12 PM

^^ Nevermind. I figured it out. :|

11/16/2010 1:57:10 PM

so can i get a reason for my banning? any chance of having the ban lifted?

11/16/2010 2:51:50 PM

PirateARRRny

Let me know when you need some help. I really like the underground city idea.

11/16/2010 2:59:26 PM

Is that a smurf penis in the middle?

11/16/2010 3:22:47 PM

^^^ I'll unban you when I'm not busy tweaking things.



Blocks reappearing should be mostly fixed. It's a temporary solution that may cause some minor bugs with item drops, but I'll keep it updated so the interference should be minimal. I'd rather have a few minor things than that annoying bug. Also hoping to have the economy/shop system set up before long. I'm trying to figure out the best way to go about it.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 3:26 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2010 3:26:00 PM

^^^

I'll let you know when I decide to get started. I've got a nice list of stuff I still want to add to the pirate ship before I consider it finished.

11/16/2010 3:53:03 PM

Alright sweet. It's looking good. Decided on a sail material?

11/16/2010 3:56:58 PM

I'm thinking about using cloth for the sails. If I did it with iron blocks, it would likely take about 3060 iron bars... for one square shaped sail...

11/16/2010 4:12:27 PM

no offense, I like you Pirate, and you seem like a cool guy.

But why the fuck are we building a pirate ship instead of Carter Finley ?

11/16/2010 4:13:45 PM

^^

I thought this was a cool design for sails:

11/16/2010 4:19:04 PM

^yeah it is. Think his ship might need to be larger though.

11/16/2010 4:27:17 PM

That ship is bad ass all around. The sails are perfect. I might have to "borrow" his sails design.

^^^ I could see myself putting in some serious hours on making Carter Finley.

11/16/2010 5:14:04 PM

Jesus. I'm never building a "ship" in minecraft. I'd get a terminal case of blue balls.

11/16/2010 5:40:11 PM

Do they float?

Oh yes. They float, Georgie. They float. And when you're down here with me YOU'LL FLOAT TOO!

11/16/2010 7:30:56 PM

So I started back up after some time off, updated to 1.2.2 and I noticed that snow no longer falls in my pre-existing snow map. Is that normal? Would I have to create a new map to get snow back?

EDIT: Created a new map and walked until I hit some snow. It wasn't snowing there either. You dig up the snow and it's permanently gone. Kinda lame, the snow biomes can just be dug up and then they aren't snow biomes anymore.

I'm guessing it's not just me and that this is a work in progress then.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 7:56 PM. Reason : -]

11/16/2010 7:37:39 PM

can i get on the whitelist?

u/n: aaronian

11/16/2010 7:58:09 PM

Saturnine, dude I appreciate the work you've done with the server. Just voicing my opinion on the matter.

Thanks for the map update, that is a really good tool for seeing what others are building and finding your way around the map.

11/16/2010 8:52:00 PM

could you whitelist neodataguest?

Thanks!! Want to show my friend the server.

11/16/2010 9:39:48 PM

I bought this game this morning after reading this thread.

How the hell do you make a torch?

I've got what looks like coal, and sticks, but it doesn't do anything.

edit: nm it was flint, not coal

[Edited on November 17, 2010 at 12:21 PM. Reason : doh]

11/17/2010 12:19:42 PM

^haha

Add a feather to your original try and you got an arrow

11/17/2010 1:08:56 PM

Minecraft name: Stimwalt

11/17/2010 1:38:43 PM

I'll update the whitelist as soon as I get out of class. Also, there is some V for Vendetta style fun to be had later this evening. I'll try to record a video.



Apparently there is a team developing a C++ Server. From early reports it appears to have most of the functionality of the official server implemented, with some slight differences. The big news is that it uses a quarter of the resources of the Java based server, and runs much more smoothly; even at this early stage. Assuming they release an API soon a lot of the popular mods will probably be ported. Here's hoping they keep it up.

11/17/2010 1:50:26 PM

^Imagine that. Btw the server has been mostly running VERY smoothly the last few days. A very occasional lag here or there, but very few and far between

11/17/2010 4:45:46 PM

When are you done with class? Plz 2 whitelist meh. I build real goodz.

11/17/2010 7:14:18 PM