darkone and Crede tryna ruin Christmas with real talk about booze.

12/22/2016 7:14:59 PM

You wouldn't enjoy some Yuletide DTs?

12/22/2016 7:18:17 PM

Alcohol withdrawal will fucking kill you, moron. Caffeine gives you a headache.

What does reinforcement mean on that chart?

12/22/2016 11:03:49 PM

Quote :

"A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack MOST people would agree that some drugs are worse than others: heroin is probably considered to be more dangerous than marijuana, for instance. Because governments formulate criminal and social policies based upon classifications of harm, a new study published by the Lancet on November 1st makes interesting reading. Researchers led by Professor David Nutt, a former chief drugs adviser to the British government, asked drug-harm experts to rank 20 drugs (legal and illegal) on 16 measures of harm to the user and to wider society, such as damage to health, drug dependency, economic costs and crime. Alcohol is the most harmful drug in Britain, scoring 72 out of a possible 100, far more damaging than heroin (55) or crack cocaine (54). It is the most harmful to others by a wide margin, and is ranked fourth behind heroin, crack, and methamphetamine (crystal meth) for harm to the individual. The authors point out that the model's weightings, though based on judgment, were analysed and found to be stable as large changes would be needed to change the overall rankings."

12/23/2016 9:51:37 AM

Baltimore has started distributing Narcan to anyone who wants it. I think they give them away at needle exchanges now. While it will probably save lives, I think that it may cause the reporting of overdoses to drop and not match what's actually trending.

12/23/2016 10:12:19 AM

i was thinking of changing my status name to Suboxone Angel.

Insensitive?

12/23/2016 11:22:36 AM

I can't even get a tramadol anymore because of all these fuckups ruining drugs for everybody.

12/23/2016 12:11:57 PM

Caffeine can kill you too, face.

12/23/2016 12:42:18 PM

Not that Alcohol isn't dangerous. But I suspect that the stats there are skewed a little. It's easy to test for alcohol after an auto accident with an impaired driver, and it's significantly harder to test for other drugs. I'm assuming that the majority of the "damage to others" by alcohol portion of that graph is attributable to DUI. How much does the government (CDC, FBI etc.) track the secondary effects of other drugs? My point is that it's significantly easier to take data for that aspect of alcohol than the others, contributing to that graph and that conclusion.
Alcohol is also more of a part of our culture as Americans (European immigrants) than other drugs leading to a more tolerant view of its effects when compared to opiates. Whether that's appropriate or not is a different story.

...I'll go back to Soap Box now...

12/23/2016 2:09:43 PM

People suggesting that overdose deaths are triple some of our previous "drug epidemics."

4/5/2017 3:53:05 PM

Once trump gets the wall built this problem will immediately go away.

4/5/2017 7:30:21 PM

U-47700 (Pink

[Edited on April 27, 2017 at 7:38 PM. Reason : Oh it killed prince]

4/27/2017 7:34:50 PM

^^ It probably won't go away, but part of the Mexicans have drugs comment had some basis in this:

Quote :

"The Xalisco Boys, as one cop I know has nicknamed them, are far from our only heroin traffickers. But they may be our most prolific. As relentless as Amway salesmen, they embody our new drug-plague paradigm. Xalisco dealers are low profile — the anti-Scarface. Back home they are bakers, butchers and farm workers, part of a vast labor pool in Xalisco and surrounding towns, who hire on as heroin drivers for $300 to $500 a week. The drug trade offers them a shot at their own business, or simply a chance to make some money to show off back home — kings until the cash goes. Meanwhile, in the United States, they drive old cars with their cheeks packed like chipmunks’, and dress like the day workers in front of your Home Depot."

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/serving-all-your-heroin-needs.html?_r=0

http://samquinones.com/reporters-blog/2015/05/03/xalisco-boys-now-in-northern-ohio/

4/27/2017 9:49:15 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/health/drug-treatment-opioid-abuse-heroin-medicaid.amp.html

Just stop doing drugs amirite?

7/14/2017 11:46:59 AM

The idea that we have to, as a nation, spend more than 45 billion for opioid addiction is infuriating.

I have an entire wing of my family that is addicted to heroin. Do they want your money? You betcha! Medicaid? Check. Disability? Check. Do they want your help to get off of heroin? Sure. Can we start next week? Ok. Great. Next week it is then.

In the meantime, you better believe they're heading to the methodone clinic.

Anecdote? Yea. But you think they're any different than any other set of junkies across the country? And it all started with back pain. Or better put, "back pain." Fucking oxycontin. That drug make needs to be put out of business, and it should be criminal to prescribe the shit 2 weeks after surgery patients have recovered.

I know that's a gross oversimplification of a problem, but not really. Stop prescribing oxycontin.

7/14/2017 11:58:16 AM

every single doctor/hospital/er/urgent care is an accessory to this.

i broke my hand a couple years ago and had 4 prescriptions for pain medication that i absolutely didn't need. every single time i went to an appointment, they would hand me a new prescription, even though i was like NAH IT DOESNT EVEN REALLY HURT.

they all give out these pills like they're candy. it's no surprise people are addicted to opiates. doctors just need to tell people "no. ICE UP SON."

7/14/2017 12:20:34 PM

Just had another friend from high school OD on heroin. I've lost count of all the old friends and acquaintances that have died from this stuff.

[Edited on July 14, 2017 at 12:26 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2017 12:25:27 PM

https://news.vice.com/story/ohio-sheriff-bans-overdose-drug-over-bogus-safety-concerns

7/14/2017 12:33:30 PM

Geez emphasis on the bogus.

"If you revive an addict they might become violent........"

Like any cop on this dude's force isn't prepared to unload an entire magazine into anyone that sneezes incorrectly.

7/14/2017 12:43:17 PM

Legalize weed and I bet deaths from pills go way down.

7/14/2017 12:50:26 PM

This is a real problem, Ive seen it firsthand. Ive also seen narcan used plenty of times to save people who were otherwise circling the drain

7/14/2017 6:36:49 PM

i started noticing this push against pain killers a a couple years back but it's really picked up the pace recently.
doctors won't prescribe them for real problems anymore.
man i sorta want lawmakers to need these things and not have them for a month before they start passing laws like VA just did

7/16/2017 3:04:13 AM

Quote :

"A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack"

we've known this for years.


it's actually exactly like ^. in the 60's and 70's Medicine was super paternalistic and doctors told pt's what was good for them. Doctors refused to prescribe narcotic pain medication precisely for the reasons we see now. However, doctors were called heartless sociopaths who enjoyed watching their patients suffer. All because doctors had wonder drugs, ie Morphine etc that could stop their pain. Doctors were sued over negligence and neglect to their patients etc etc

So people who get sued do what anyone who gets sued does... We started covering our ass. Every procedure, no matter how minor, gets Norco to go home. We started stretching what "pain" narcotics treat. Expanding the breadth and frequency of narcotic pain coverage.

Until now where we're animals because we drug the country, and we enjoy making people slaves to big pharma. Because every doctor is in big pharma's pocket, and we're all just out to extort america. ANNNNND we started getting sued again.

So doctors are moving back to the 60's. Unless it's falling off you don't get narcotics. Surgeons I work with will rarely prescribe pain meds past ibuprophen for more than 2 days post op.

I suppose we'll see how America deals with it, cause doctors are flipping the off switch to cover their ass again.


And with the Serious memory issues surrounding habitual marijuana use I'm surprised more people aren't more careful with it's use.


Oh soap box time for a second. No the problem isn't opiods, or oxycotin or whatever other dumb shit you people want to blame this on. The problem is addiction help, education and mental health services available in this country. As usually with tww it's much easier to just "blame" the pills. Its much harder to accept and pin point a problem when no one forces anyone to do anything. I know this is a very unpopular opinion in the church of no one has any free will or ability to control their actions (ok that was a bit inflammatory but I can't help it, this shit annoys the fuck out of me.)

Pretending like pain pills are the only addictive substance on earth and the only way to fix it is to eradicate them is the same bullshit logic that has lead to the laughable war on drugs and abstinence only sex education programs in schools. What they're addicted to is irrelevant.

The real concern is there is far too few programs, psychologists, psychiatrists and avenues for people with problems to get help. Countless studies have shown that people who struggle with one addiction move to another to "kick the habit," hell one of the tenants of most addiction therapy programs is finding an outlet or hobby to "addict" yourself too and use your energy in a positive and enriching way.

7/16/2017 9:54:17 AM

lol @ people caring that this is a problem

like maybe quit buying these drugs...

who gives af about people who buy these

7/16/2017 4:30:51 PM

yeah, when the doctor prescribes the drugs they should be like "hey, doc, go take a hike with your drugs"

7/16/2017 4:35:01 PM

portugal man portugal

https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroin

Quote :

"The rate of new HIV infections in Portugal has fallen precipitously since 2001, the year its law took effect, declining from 1,016 cases to only 56 in 2012. Overdose deaths decreased from 80 the year that decriminalization was enacted to only 16 in 2012. In the US, by comparison, more than 14,000 people died in 2014 from prescription opioid overdoses alone. Portugal's current drug-induced death rate, three per million residents, is more than five times lower than the European Union's average of 17.3, according to EU figures. "

[Edited on July 16, 2017 at 7:04 PM. Reason : e]

7/16/2017 7:04:16 PM

The obvious solution is to bring back DARE.

We need a new generation of young people to fear and despise addicts.

Prisons gotta eat.

7/16/2017 7:51:12 PM

Jeff Sessions will solve this problem.

7/16/2017 10:45:10 PM

Quote :

"And with the Serious memory issues surrounding habitual marijuana use I'm surprised more people aren't more careful with it's use. "

care to expand?

Quote :

"Pretending like pain pills are the only addictive substance on earth and the only way to fix it is to eradicate them is the same bullshit logic that has lead to the laughable war on drugs and abstinence only sex education programs in schools. What they're addicted to is irrelevant."

care to expand the logic on that one as well?

I'm pretty sure a majority of people don't think that the only way to fix this issue is to eradicate the pills. it's more of an over-prescribing deal, among others

[Edited on July 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2017 11:52:01 PM

Most of y'all are extra late on your input.

The federal government officially cracked down on "overprescribing" years ago. That's why the price of black market pills shot up.
At the same time, Mexico began producing heroin in competition with Colombia, pushing the price of heroin down.

Doctors do seem to be getting stingier these days, but it's not right. My grandparents don't need to suffer in pain just cause there's a slim chance I might
hijack their medicine and sell it to feed my habit. Plus, I personally don't want to endure discomfort when I don't have to--a little hydrocodone is great
for cramps and irritability. And, when I'm terminal, it's really gonna piss me off if some snotty asshole doctor is moderating my dosage in order to deter
a public health problem. In that case, you will definitely find me shooting up in a Dunkin Donuts bathroom.

[Edited on July 17, 2017 at 5:51 AM. Reason : We're gonna need more syringe emojis.]

7/17/2017 5:49:04 AM

Are you adding line breaks to your posts to prevent the need to scroll to read it on account of the big image? If so, kudos, but also if so, stop doing that.

7/17/2017 7:13:06 AM

It's pretty clear that opiates are being overprescribed, but in my experience, doctors have been reluctant to give out anything stronger than vicodin or tylenol 3, and I've had my fair share of injuries over the years.

I have NEVER been offered oxy, and when I had all four wisdom teeth taken out a few years ago, I had to beg the surgeon to give me something stronger than 5mg vicodins a few days later, because I would have to eat 2-3 at a time and I was legitimately concerned about my liver.

And as for MJ reducing opiate deaths, I have read mixed results. States where it's completely legal or medical is available generally have lower OD rates and usage overall, but then you have outliers like MA/ME where they have liberal MJ laws and everyone is hooked on opiates and it's a public health crisis.

I think the thing with opiates is that they appeal to a pretty specific type of user, and I'm wondering if any of it is genetic, or if it's just due to a wider cultural issue of loneliness and boredom. Usage rates are sky high in the rustbelt among white/blue collar folks, but not as rampant in other poor areas around the country.

Has anyone read the Hillbilly Eulogy by J.D Vance yet? He talks about it some.

I've mentioned it before, but I've had a cousin in his 40s who's been a heroin addict since he was in his early teens. He's had years of sobriety, but now he's on disability and living close to his parents. I think something like what they have in Vancouver where they safely administer heroin in a medical environment would probably be the best way to keep him safe and alive, but I don't ever see him being an ex-addict and living a normal life. I've read the pathways of your brain regenerate after heavy drug use, but since he's been an addict since basically early adolescence, I think he's just unable to function as an adult.

I can sort of see the appeal/allure of heroin, although I've never tried it, nor will I. For a day or two, iI guess it feels nice to be blissed out and carefree on opiates, but it gets pretty boring after a while, and it's horrible trying to muster the energy to do anything afterwards. I guess you have to really just not give a fuck about any of your responsibilities or goals to want to feel so out of it all the time. If I'm going to go on some mental/emotional vacation, I'd way rather trip out on some hallucinogens and feel reborn or some shit after instead.

7/17/2017 9:09:59 AM

Here is the deal. We are human beings and there will always be a segment of our population that likes to get fuxed up here and there.... there will also be a segment that is highly susceptible to addiction. No prison or not Jeff Sessions is gonna change that.

We need to be warning our kids how dangerous H and other opiates are and that people are constantly experiencing sudden death that abuse those drugs. We also need 100% free socialized mental health care in this country that includes inpatient care and substance abuse treatment.

Instead we get Jeff Sessions.

7/17/2017 10:49:08 AM

Quote :

"It's pretty clear that opiates are being overprescribed, but in my experience, doctors have been reluctant to give out anything stronger than vicodin or tylenol 3, and I've had my fair share of injuries over the years. "

That's been my experience as well. After knee surgery all I was prescribed was (weak) Vicodin. After shoulder surgery I took Percocet for about 3 weeks and that stuff was great. Besides that though, regardless of my injuries none of my doctors will prescribe anything stronger than 800 mg ibuprofen. Which honestly pisses me off, b/c ibuprofen (for me at least) does very little to relieve any pain (recently I took 2400 mg of ibuprofen a day for 6 weeks straight - stopped because I worry about my liver). I wish there was more middle ground available, or at least in my doctors' eyes.

Also getting old sucks. I fucking swear there's something new injuried and aching almost constantly.

7/17/2017 11:10:58 AM

^^I agree with most of that; however, just treating addiction as nothing but a mental health issue probably won't work as well here as it does in a place like Portugal where the population is a lot more homogenous and society has a much more feminine attitude towards taking care of the less fortunate.

Addicts are now convinced they have a disease (which is mostly true, obviously), but the whole notion of "personal responsibility" and making better choices needs a lot of work too. If someone has a medical condition that requires medication or a huge lifestyle change (morbid obesity, diabetes, cancer), they are expected to manage their illness and change their lifestyle if they want to be healthy. When they don't take care of themselves, they get worse.

Because we're now calling addiction a mental health issue and at the same time stigmatizing addicts by saying, "oh, well you're fucked up because you're an addict- it's a disease and it's not your fault. But you're also damaged and need help, so go to rehab since that's all that will help" it's only treating part of the problem. It doesn't cure the person of the root causes of addiction which are usually loneliness, low self esteem, traumatic experiences, etc. Our culture is inherently rooted in the "bootstraps" mentality and asking for help/support is seen as a glaring weakness, so that is going to need to change a LOT too. It's a shitty message to tell an addict "you have a disease, it's not your fault" and then when they try to re-enter normal life, "hey, you're fucked up and we can't trust you. you're damaged."

I have a friend who's been in and out of rehab countless times for crack/opiates/you name it. And she's developed this attitude that she has this terminal form of mental illness and that being a drug addict isn't her fault anymore. When she gets some clean time, she realizes her life is a mess from all the poor choices she's made, so she goes right back to using again, and her family and friends are just like "well, she's an addict- it's not her fault anymore."

I understand how hard addictions are to overcome, but we can't continue to have this attitude like addicts are completely passive and powerless and the only solution is NA/AA. Clearly that shit doesn't work for everyone. I think for education and treatment to actually work, the methodology has to holistically change.

[Edited on July 17, 2017 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

7/17/2017 11:14:22 AM

it's Hillbilly Elegy, dude

7/17/2017 7:14:20 PM

took a whole PILE of something to recover something here lately.
Gotta reinact young frankenstein to remember it.
No YOU
wait.
you DID
YES
What?
Who?
Abby...
Abby?
Abby, someone.
Abby ...WHO...?
oh it's gabbypentin btw.however you spell it

Abbby... normal

7/17/2017 8:13:04 PM

^^ Freudian slip? Their way of life is dying Good book anyway, even if it starts off slow.

7/18/2017 12:39:44 PM

You should look up "elegy."

7/18/2017 1:16:55 PM

I know the difference between an elegy and a eulogy. While they are similar, they are not the same thing. The book is sitting on my desk. I can assure you it was just a typo, not me getting the title completely wrong the entire time I read it.

EDIT: Ok, I looked it up to double check. One is a mournful song/poem about the dead, one is a moving speech that's a tribute to the dead at a funeral.

[Edited on July 18, 2017 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

7/18/2017 1:25:06 PM

You said:

Quote :

"^^ Freudian slip? Their way of life is dying "

Both words are related to death. It's not exactly a slip.

[Edited on July 18, 2017 at 1:28 PM. Reason : I said that's not what I mean, but it kinda is what I mean.]

7/18/2017 1:27:10 PM

Well, my day is certainly ruined. Better go find some opiates to numb the embarrassment I'm feeling right now.

Actually, fuck that.

I had always thought an elegy was just a sad song, while a eulogy was something delivered at a funeral.

Quote :

"Definition In classical Greco-Roman literature, "elegy" refers to any poem written in elegiac meter (alternating hexameter and pentameter lines). More broadly, elegy came to mean any poem dealing with the subject-matter common to the early Greco-Roman elegies-complaints about love, sustained formal lamentation, or somber meditations.- A Glossary Of Literary Terms, M.H. Abrams Genre It is usually written in Poetry, however, it suffices to be a eulogy (only if it's in verse form). Types Pastoral Elegy Nature It presents a lamenting tone where usually a friend or a family member regrets the loss of a loved one, however, in a broader sense, it is an expression of regret for the loss of humanity as a whole. It is a very social kind of representation. Examples Some of the greatest literary writers have created master pieces of elegy in English literature and here are the names of a few of them: Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard (1751) ~ Thomas Gray, Lycidas (1638) ~ John Milton, Adonais (1821) ~ P. B. Shelley, Thyrsis (1865) ~ Mathew Arnold More about Elegies Although a form of elegy, Pastoral elegy falls under the broad category of pastoral poetry possessing some unique features. In pastoral poems, a shepherd is the main character whereas in pastoral elegies, a person deceased or dead is remolded as a shepherd despite his role in real life. When you look at the poem at its surface level, it will appear as only a grieving shepherd at the loss of his friend. However, as you step deeper, you will understand that it is about the society of shepherds, that is free from the complexity and corruption of the city life. It has a more expansive meaning than a eulogy. Eulogy Definition A Eulogy is a piece of writing or speech that is delivered in praise of a person recently died. It occurs mostly at the time of a funeral. One of the family members (probably the son) or a close relative of the deceased person delivers the speech or reads aloud the written matter to honor the dead. It is highly optimistic in nature and helpful to boost the morale of the depressed family. Genre It is usually written in Prose, yet, there can be eulogy poems as well. Types Tribute or Legacy, Chronological, Thematic and Personal Recollections Nature It sets on the lines of personal experience without much connection with social issues. Another important difference is that eulogies can be offered to honor even a living person for his/her good deeds and for the respectable position that he/she secures in the society. Examples As eulogies are a kind of personal tribute to somebody or a gesture of acceptance or honoring somebody, there are no specific examples as such. A eulogy can be written for a friend, father, sister, or it can also be an official/formal eulogy in honor of a boss, colleague, or an employee. More about Eulogies Offering eulogies is quite a tough task because it requires composure. You are likely to become emotional, lose your mental balance and break into tears. It is absolutely normal to feel that way since the person who passed away was very dear to you. However, it is also important to complete the task for which you are standing there, i.e., paying homage to the person who is gone or is severely ill. To avoid an unwanted situation during the speech delivery, one should be ready with a back-up plan. This plan should include things like having a supporting speaker ready in case the main speaker is unable to continue. The speech should be written beforehand and should be well rehearsed. Writing a eulogy needs skill as to weave the facts about the person in flowery words. A person who has a flair for writing and is good at using ornamental language can do a better job in this field. A glass of water should always be placed at the side of the speaker to avoid throat dryness during the speech. On a concluding note, the main characteristic difference between an elegy and a eulogy is the tone of both the genres. An elegy possesses a melancholic tone throughout the poem whereas, a eulogy has a comforting and optimistic tone. An elegy is confined to the loss of someone or something, however, a eulogy can be offered even to a living person as an honor or praise."

So, actually YOU are wrong. Not all elegies are related to death.

[Edited on July 18, 2017 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]

7/18/2017 1:31:17 PM

I was trying to reassure you that the typo still captured the spirit of the thing. Now, I'd like to invite you to just eat a dick instead.

7/18/2017 1:44:24 PM

Seems fair to me.

7/18/2017 1:47:39 PM

that's what the quotin' box does to people. they stop thinking and slowly combusting oxygen to carbon and iron oxides and they just POOL into a slop of talking points and narrative discourse

7/18/2017 7:17:13 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/09/insys-fentanyl-mccaskill-investigation/

If you or I did what Insys is accused of doing (helping people acquire opiates under false pretenses) we'd be sitting in jail. Insys will get away with it.

9/6/2017 6:34:41 PM

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2017/11/14/theyre-robbing-us-citizens-buncombe-county-sues-top-opioid-sellers/863234001/

Buncombe county sues opiate manufacturers.

(^Insys court proceedings still ongoing^)

11/15/2017 7:12:35 PM

kids in the early 2000s

lets get drunk, high, do some blow, party all night and in to tomorrow!!!


kids these days

oooh lets party!!!!! take some drugs that make us drool, pass out, maybe die!!!!

11/19/2017 8:57:47 AM

Early 2000s I remember a decent sized group of kids that struggled to find weed but always had tons of Xanax and Percocet

[Edited on November 19, 2017 at 11:04 AM. Reason : .]

11/19/2017 11:03:34 AM

^

legal weed, less people die

Quote :

"In West Virginia, the state hardest hit by the epidemic, 41 of every 100,000 residents died from drug overdoses in 2015, according to the CDC. In California, that rate was 11 — the seventh-lowest in the nation."

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-me-ln-california-opioids-20171026-htmlstory.html

[Edited on November 19, 2017 at 1:48 PM. Reason : e]

11/19/2017 1:47:40 PM