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"We have the 2nd richest booster club in the Nation, why can't we pay?"

The wolfpack club aint rich boys and girls. Its got a lot of members, perhaps ranking up there with the tigers or whatever, but what matters is how much dis members donate. And our fans per capita are not donating all that much.


Our athletics dept doesnt have deep pockets.

We gotta live out another couple shit years of DD before we fire. At least one more year for certain, maybe two just to teach us a lesson.

[Edited on September 26, 2016 at 8:39 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2016 8:38:32 PM

^ true, but a win this week against the 4-0 juggernaught of the schedule would go a LONG way in bumping up donations

9/26/2016 8:48:19 PM

we gotta step our bag man game up

9/26/2016 9:03:14 PM

^^speaking of people ok with their coach covering up rape

9/26/2016 11:18:19 PM

^ except he did the exact opposite of that... but rock on bro

9/26/2016 11:27:13 PM

Hey fat fucke we've had enough trump for today.

9/26/2016 11:37:45 PM

alright shit talker with no pics

9/26/2016 11:43:15 PM

jibbles is still trollin sports websites for dudes' pics? smh. not that there's anything wrong with that #atlpride

9/27/2016 1:03:16 AM

2nd richest? that's some poor trolling.

9/27/2016 2:23:05 PM

Back on subject, a win here against WF could really propel things along donation wise. Problem is, if they win then DD might save his job. A conundrum indeed.

9/27/2016 3:13:18 PM

Good night, shut the fuck up. Will be glad when football season is over and you disappear again like every other SEC fan except UK.

9/27/2016 3:31:59 PM

^ fat boy troll was just fed. a lot

9/27/2016 3:36:14 PM

"basketball"

lol

^ thank god I am trying to keep things on topic, something that roffleong seems incapable of doing

[Edited on September 27, 2016 at 3:37 PM. Reason : d]

9/27/2016 3:36:27 PM

How could Jiggles not stick around for hoops? His flagship program is women's basketball and that's what everyone thinks of when you say UT sports.

9/27/2016 3:40:24 PM

lol, weak bro, can do better than that, just silly. If you had kept it to just bball you would have had a decent dig


so, once again, back on subject, a win here against WF could really propel things along donation wise. Problem is, if they win then DD might save his job. A conundrum indeed.

[Edited on September 27, 2016 at 4:00 PM. Reason : d]

9/27/2016 3:45:33 PM

a win would propel donations? what donations? to the salvation army? are they having a drive during this game?

9/27/2016 4:11:39 PM

read the last page bro

9/27/2016 4:16:12 PM

I'm sure Doeren is scheming ways to blow this game as well, so that he'll have another excuse to go out and buy more donuts.

Maybe he'll go for a QB sneak on 4th and long on our own 10 in the first quarter. Or maybe he'll run a fake punt on 3rd down after calling a timeout to discuss it.

Who knows. The man needs more donut

9/27/2016 4:17:07 PM

Quote :

"How could Jiggles not stick around for hoops? His flagship program is women's basketball and that's what everyone thinks of when you say UT sports. "

no...first thing that comes to mind is definitely the longhorn network for me.

[Edited on September 27, 2016 at 5:29 PM. Reason : vince young too]

9/27/2016 5:29:46 PM

Bruce Pearl has muh Gentleman Vawls headed in the right direction

9/27/2016 6:07:42 PM

man, you all are awful at staying on topic, are you that ashamed of your team? That's really sad... let's try AGAIN


back on subject, a win here against WF could really propel things along donation wise. Problem is, if they win then DD might save his job. A conundrum indeed.

9/27/2016 6:24:10 PM

I wonder if Debbie will call him into her office when he loses.

9/27/2016 7:10:12 PM

I mean, if she wants a doughnut, probably.

9/27/2016 8:24:50 PM

Quote :

"man, you all are awful at staying on topic, are you that ashamed of your team? That's really sad... let's try AGAIN"

nobody stays on topic with you b/c nobody wants to talk with you, you are the pulsing whitehead on Sports Talks forehead

9/27/2016 8:36:18 PM

State booster donations + the future of the head coach + beating an UNDEFEATED conference team = not important.

Got it.

9/27/2016 8:38:48 PM

if i were you i'd focus on the important things in life, like your rapidly increasing cholesterol levels

9/27/2016 8:50:23 PM

I don't see an official ticket exchange thread so I'll post it here:

My tickets to WF v NCSU are for sale. Section 17 row J seats 31 and 32.

Face value is $46.63. I'll take $90 for both plus $25 for my parking pass in the TX lot on the corner of Blue Ridge and Trinity.

PM me if you're interested. I live in Graham and work in Raleigh, we can figure out some way to get the tix delivered

[Edited on September 27, 2016 at 10:13 PM. Reason : lol math]

9/27/2016 10:11:39 PM

message_topic.aspx?topic=491846&page=61#16365274

[Edited on September 27, 2016 at 10:26 PM. Reason : ^^]

9/27/2016 10:26:26 PM

NCSU grad
NC native
Net worth a modest $8.7 bil
He could be our Phil Knight. Move Carter-Finley to the SAS super immaculate pristine Cary Parkway white people plantation complex, I don't care. Make it happen.

9/27/2016 11:59:52 PM

gn...sgn

9/28/2016 12:07:20 AM

^took a second, but i got it

9/28/2016 8:46:01 AM

What is DD's salary/how much are we on the hook for if he is canned at the end of the year? Hate for us to be like UVA as they held onto Mike London an extra season due to not wanting to buy him out.

9/28/2016 9:59:08 AM

Quote :

"He could be our Phil Knight. Move Carter-Finley to the SAS super immaculate pristine Cary Parkway white people plantation complex, I don't care. Make it happen."

Goodnight has ZERO interest in donating money to athletics, this is well known. I applaud him for this.

He donates a lot of money to the education side of things, (the goodnight scholarships, campus buildings, etc). Its pretty gross how much money gets poured into athletic departments in this era. These are supposed to be institutions of higher learning, not corporate football clubs.

9/28/2016 10:53:44 AM

^
amen

9/28/2016 11:01:48 AM

Yeah I was gonna say that Goodnight gives a shit ton of money to the university.

9/28/2016 11:08:56 AM

Goodnight gives a shit ton to the academic side of the Univ.

9/28/2016 11:14:41 AM

Quote :

"Its pretty gross how much money gets poured into athletic departments in this era. These are supposed to be institutions of higher learning, not corporate football clubs."

i don't disagree...it's unfortunate. but if we aren't spending the money (and getting the contributions) that other schools are then we kinda can't ever expect to compete on level higher than middle of the road.

goodnight does give a lot to the academic side if y'all hadn't heard.

[Edited on September 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM. Reason : f]

9/28/2016 12:24:05 PM

Quote :

"In a new study, Douglas J. Chung finds that when a college goes from good to great on the football field or basketball court, undergraduate applications increase dramatically. Chung discusses the so-called “Flutie Effect” "

Quote :

"His findings include: When a school rises from mediocre to great on the gridiron, applications increase by 18.7 percent. To attain similar effects, a school has to either lower tuition by 3.8 percent or increase the quality of its education by recruiting higher-quality faculty, who are paid 5 percent more than their average peers in the academic labor market. Students with lower-than-average SAT scores tended to have a stronger preference for schools known for athletic success, while students with higher SAT scores preferred institutions with greater academic quality. Also, students with lower academic prowess valued the success of intercollegiate athletics for longer periods of time than the high SAT achievers. Even students with high SAT scores are significantly affected by athletic success—one of the biggest surprises from the research, Chung says. Schools become more academically selective with athletic success."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2013/04/29/the-flutie-effect-how-athletic-success-boosts-college-applications/#3b027f36ac9c

Success on the field can translate to many positive benefits for the university that affect academics. It's not mutually exclusive.

I'd like to see studies on how athletic success affects hiring recent graduates. Hell, I wouldn't know that schools like Marquette and Gonzaga even existed if it weren't for their basketball programs.

[Edited on September 28, 2016 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2016 12:54:49 PM

Quote :

"Hell, I wouldn't know that schools like Marquette and Gonzaga even existed if it weren't for their basketball programs."

This. But NCSU doesn't have that problem.

9/28/2016 1:51:56 PM

double post, delete, suspend

[Edited on September 28, 2016 at 1:52 PM. Reason : -]

9/28/2016 1:51:56 PM

I cannot believe this thread is only on two pages. I know that I, for one, am hyped as shit about this. FOUR AND OH WF COMING INTO THE CARTER. Come on people, rise up!

9/28/2016 4:50:04 PM

I spent a lot of my life growing up in Florida (dad was military). One thing I noticed was that as UF got good a football and then later at basketball, the school suddenly got stronger and stronger academically at least in terms of university rankings.

The athletic programs, specifically football and basketball, are like the advertising arms of colleges. Success on the field/court leads to more involved alumni, more donations, more school pride, more apparel sales, more applications, etc. There is a huge impact that may not be quantifiable. If Goodnight wants to help NC State reach another level, donations to athletics should not be excluded.

9/28/2016 4:56:15 PM

I agree that athletics can help a new schools gain name recognition, and thus lift their enrollment numbers, but I have a feeling this can only take a school so far in improving the academics side.
Otherwise, Alabama should be the Oxford of the americas by now.

For schools like UCF, USF, ECU, APP State, UNCC, successful athletic programs will definitely help boost their enrollment numbers, and thus their pool of quality applicants.

However, I think NC State enrollment is basically beyond the point where successful athletics is gonna make too much of a difference in improving our standing academically.

What WILL help is luring prestigious academics who do noteworthy research, having the most advanced research facilities in the state, drawing the best and the brightest NC highschool students through quality scholarship opportunities.

Perhaps through nurturing these areas NC State can finally churn out our first Rhodes Scholar (UNC has had like 47, we have zero.)

I want our sports teams to win too, but I have no illusions that winning football games is gonna make a huge impact on the prestige of NC State academics. And I'd prefer prestigious academics any day of the week.

9/28/2016 6:38:27 PM

Quote :

"What WILL help is luring prestigious academics who do noteworthy research, having the most advanced research facilities in the state, drawing the best and the brightest NC highschool students through quality scholarship opportunities."

nerds like sports too

but overall our campus and raleigh in general is just not a desirable place to be for young people. maybe its desireable for soccer moms and small business but not in the way that is going to attract the academic types, elite athletes and the brightest high school students.

[Edited on September 28, 2016 at 6:43 PM. Reason : fix the campus life]

9/28/2016 6:42:22 PM

Um, nerds like sports, but uh the brightest young minds coming up in NC aren't picking their scholarship destination based on sports prestige. Lol



[Edited on September 28, 2016 at 6:57 PM. Reason : If so, they arent that bright.]

9/28/2016 6:55:36 PM

You're missing the point. I also listed several reasons why they will consider going anywhere else BUT nc state. Sports can be a deciding factor if everything esle seems even between your competing offers.

NC State doesn't have anything else to make it stand out against the competition. Its not like we are some extraordinary academic environment like MIT where it would be nonsense to consider sports. We're below the level of a lot of schools that have great sports so we don't really stand a chance without it and we can change sports easier than changing our campus location.

9/28/2016 7:08:16 PM

you also think that the US secretly backs ISIS, so yea.

9/28/2016 7:13:33 PM

Quote :

"raleigh in general is just not a desirable place to be for young people"

LOL

9/28/2016 7:29:02 PM

i don't just "think" things. foreign leaders provided the evidence and all I did was not immediately reject for being different from what my government told me.

9/28/2016 7:30:01 PM

haha yes, Putin's propaganda machine = trusted "foreign Leaders". A quality source indeed.

9/28/2016 7:35:15 PM