he thinks its another benghazi or IRS scandal

many people probably do thanks to the chicken little GOP

3/3/2015 1:34:17 PM

Quote :

"you don't see the importance of record retention rules for a government employee who is a cabinet level position? get the fuck out of here."

She's claiming that all the e-mails were in fact archived.

3/3/2015 1:54:11 PM

Hillary is done.

3/3/2015 2:08:39 PM

because trust her, she doesn't need to follow the rules and have transparent document retention per the Federal Records Act because trust her

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 2:10 PM. Reason : she's a democrat, so we can trust her!]

3/3/2015 2:10:05 PM

Who cares, doesn't the NSA collect all our emails anyway? Surely some spook has a folder on his desktop named "HRC emails 09-13".

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2015 2:13:09 PM

Everyone else who works in the department had 4 years to correct her/turn her in for it. I highly doubt this is actually a big deal, and is really just her opponents (like Jeb Bush) turning it into a big deal.

3/3/2015 2:18:17 PM

I don't know how federal laws work, but on the state level, it doesn't matter what email address you use, as long as you retain backups.

When i initially read the headlines for this, I assumed the issue was using a non-secure account vs. a (theoretically) more secured government email system.

3/3/2015 2:21:49 PM

I thought I had read that she certainly was not the first to NOT use a government email address, in fact, most of the recent SoS did not.

3/3/2015 2:23:37 PM

http://www.wral.com/clinton-used-personal-email-account-as-secretary-of-state/14486944/

Quote :

""Like secretaries of state before her, she used her own email account when engaging with any department officials," Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said. "For government business, she emailed them on their department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained. When the department asked former secretaries last year for help ensuring their emails were in fact retained, we immediately said 'yes.'" "Both the letter and spirit of the rules permitted State Department officials to use non-government email, as long as appropriate records were preserved," he said."

According to the bold parts, she was fully within her right to use non-government email.

3/3/2015 2:24:57 PM

Who care about your comments? LOL
Are you guys talking to those folks in DC? LOL

3/3/2015 2:28:01 PM

thanks, shoot

3/3/2015 2:29:00 PM

i'd bet most people under retention laws use personal email accounts for official business even if only accidentally. If you have an exchange email account, you might create a personal gmail account to share documents with, and end up conducting some business in this process under that account.

This happens all the time. What would be interesting is if hillary has a pattern of doing this with the intention of skirting retention laws, but she would be a complete idiot if this was the case. There's no email that can't be intercepted and retained, and once the recipient has a copy the sender obviously has no control over that. And she should know from her husband's experiences that she can't trust anyone.

I don't have a problem, in the year 2015, with someone not using their work email account for everything, but if there is evidence she intentionally tried to hide something, then she deserves whatever flak she gets.

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 2:29 PM. Reason : ]

3/3/2015 2:29:19 PM

Quote :

"I don't have a problem, in the year 2015, with someone not using their work email account for everything, but if there is evidence she intentionally tried to hide something, then she deserves whatever flak she gets."

It's not like she was the store manager at a Piggly Wiggly.

But yes let's assume for now that she's not that stupid; I mean after all, she's a democrat!

3/3/2015 2:34:22 PM

^We'll be seeing a lot of comments like that for a week and then people will forget about it.

Quote :

" I highly doubt this is actually a big deal, and is really just her opponents turning it into a big deal."

3/3/2015 2:38:43 PM

shes just another government worker; it doesnt matter how highly placed you are

most of her email traffic was probably chain letters

3/3/2015 2:40:23 PM

so when the state department says that it has no records of communication between Clinton and Blumenthal, for example, we are just supposed to pretend that those records never existed even though hackers have shown they communicated?

using the personal email is not a problem, not keeping records is

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 2:49 PM. Reason : but she's a democrat, so she's not hiding anything]

3/3/2015 2:48:54 PM

im surprised shrike and sayer are so nonchalant

3/3/2015 2:57:12 PM

i mean it's not like Clinton was ever part of a major scandal/investigation in the past that, among other things, involved sketchy record retention questions

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 3:03 PM. Reason : because if you believe this is fine i have 230 acres for you on the white river]

3/3/2015 3:02:31 PM

email scandals dont meant shit

see: IRS

bdmazur is right; this will be gone in a week

3/3/2015 3:07:29 PM

i mean the clintons literally killed a dude and no one cares

3/3/2015 3:08:44 PM

Then they are another Putin

3/3/2015 3:14:47 PM

Shrike is going to nail your conspiracy theorists asses to the wall, traitors.

Remember soapbox, democrats cant eat their own! (Shrike's entire political philosophy)

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 3:24 PM. Reason : -]

3/3/2015 3:18:02 PM

^^^

wait like Frank Underwood push someone in front of a train style or Laura Bush run over someone while driving drunk style?

3/3/2015 6:49:53 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

3/3/2015 6:55:25 PM

bdmazur is probably right about the public's memory

yet another news link on the e-mail scandal: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-used-private-e-mail-for-government-business-at-state-dept/2015/03/02/275d13d8-c156-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html

When I first heard the story, I thought maybe she had occasionally used her personal e-mail, that she had a government e-mail account and an old Hotmail account or something that she still kicked around.

Then I read that she had never gotten a government e-mail account while at the State Department.

After that, I read that she registered that personal e-mail account on the day she was confirmed as Secretary of State (and on a domain her family owned, clintonemail.com) and then dragged her feet on properly archiving any of her e-mails regarding official business.

If this doesn't blow over (especially if it's because she ends up sending all her Secretary of State e-mails to be archived), we'll need another strong Democratic Presidential candidate for 2016.


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BTW the first Secretary of State to regularly use a government e-mail account is the current one, John Forbes Kerry.

3/3/2015 7:47:32 PM

Quote :

"wait like Frank Underwood push someone in front of a train style or Laura Bush run over someone while driving drunk style?"

Or Cheney shooting a guy in the face (sure he didn't die, but it wasn't for a lack of effort)

3/3/2015 8:24:48 PM

so were any laws actually broken or what

isnt she like 2 weeks from declaring shes running

3/3/2015 8:31:12 PM

I'm not so sure; AFAIK it seems like she technically stayed within the bounds of the law

something her husband is also famous for

3/3/2015 8:58:30 PM

I don't think any laws were technically broken, but this does shed light on the practice, and why it is done.

3/4/2015 11:04:43 AM

I do this with my work email, probably for the same reason HC does, its one less way to get in trouble.

3/4/2015 11:52:20 AM

shrike isnt here because hes on youtube recording a series of "leave hillary alone!" videos

3/5/2015 4:33:20 PM

Quote :

"I do this with my work email, probably for the same reason HC does, its one less way to get in trouble"

you are trying to add something between you and a FOIA request like HC and built your own server at your house and use that instead of your work email?

3/5/2015 4:52:45 PM

^^The next President of the USA doesn't need me to defend her

3/5/2015 5:30:07 PM

I think you underestimate just how much antipathy she generates. There are large segments of the democratic base that find her absolutely revolting. That doesn't mean that they'll vote republican, but it will kill voter turnout amongst groups like the 20 somethings that turned out in massive numbers to vote for Obama the first time.

It's hard to imagine a more entrenched, establishment candidate from either side. The republicans would literally have to trot out McCain again in order to have somebody the public could have a comparable level of cynicism towards.

She's not just a horrible person, she's a horrible candidate.

3/7/2015 10:05:42 PM

Quote :

"you are trying to add something between you and a FOIA request like HC and built your own server at your house and use that instead of your work email?"

your boss does not need a FOIA req. to look at your email

3/8/2015 10:13:49 PM

I'm actually surprised at dtownral's lack of support for Hillary, but then I remember that he's probably in the bag for someone like Elizabeth Warren.

3/9/2015 9:31:33 AM

you're surprised? do you just never read the soap box?

3/9/2015 11:51:52 AM

Actually I haven't read much TSB lately, been kinda busy at work and at home. And politics have been getting me down. I haven't been reading much current events lately either.

3/9/2015 2:04:31 PM

its more surprising that Shrike is so far up Clinton's ass instead of Warren's given his supposed "principles"

3/9/2015 6:02:41 PM

Shrike is a democratic party hack, not a liberal

3/9/2015 6:18:24 PM

I don't like Hillary but the fact is she will easily win a normal election in 2016 if current trends hold. That is, barring something like a terrorist attack, financial crisis, or some deviant sex shit exposed about Bill. She's not a good candidate but the Republicans are running a Bush or Scott fucking Walker. If Warren wants to run, that's great, but I don't think President is really her gig and none of the other Democrat hopefuls are ready. I do think running her own personal email server was shady as fuck though.

3/9/2015 7:16:15 PM

What if HC is like the Bev Perdue of Presidents, she is the first female to hold the office, then has nothing to show for her term, opts out of running again instead of facing off with an even shittier GOP candidate.

Who would like the Gov. Mcrory be in 2020?

3/9/2015 7:25:52 PM

I see Scott walker doing well nationally. The thing democrats hate most about him is that he's extremely anti Union, but Americans are anti Union. This won't hurt him.

I think his economic policy would be disastrous, austerity would not be good, but I see independent voters liking him more than Hillary.

3/9/2015 8:36:35 PM

haha, you see scott walker doing well nationally

3/9/2015 8:50:00 PM

I think Shrike is wrong here. People are going to get Hillary fatigue.

3/9/2015 9:47:13 PM

there has been plentiful clinton fatigue for quite some time; to her detriment she likes to keep reminding us

the democrat hillary inevitability attitude is in the minority now; people like Shrike are doing more harm than good

3/9/2015 10:07:29 PM

I don't understand where you people get this shit.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/nbcwsj-national-poll-voters-want-change-115916.html?hp=l4_4

Eighty-six percent of Democrats said they would back Clinton if she ran for executive office.

3/9/2015 10:40:12 PM

Yup, I'm sure that the self selecting sample who answers polls like that certainly will. The real question is whether or not she has any appeal for independents or can generate enough excitement to bring out people who otherwise wouldn't vote, the exhausted and apathetic who make up such a large percentage of the public.

I would certainly be willing to bet that voter turnout will be near a historic low if it's Hillary vs. Jeb.

3/9/2015 11:45:08 PM

The basic math working against the GOP hasn't really changed since 2012, any candidate from their side has to face an electoral map that looks like this,



This is being very generous counting WI, NH, IA, and (legal weed) CO as tossups in a general election, at least two of those will be considered safe D well before election day. They will have to play some defense in a lot of the "safe" red states as well (like NC). Until something happens to change this, any discussion about the next President is purely academic.

You can throw Republican fools gold AKA Pennsylvania in there as a toss up if you want.

[Edited on March 10, 2015 at 1:59 PM. Reason : .]

3/10/2015 1:55:25 PM

our next president cant attach multiple email accounts to a single mobile device

lucky for us shes smarter than lindsey graham who cant use email at all

3/10/2015 3:27:39 PM