everyone gets a trophy?

5/10/2014 6:28:53 PM

everyone gets a trophy?

5/10/2014 6:28:53 PM

ok, how do you guys do that on purpose?

i always thought it was a glitch, but looking at the previous page, i don't think so any more!

5/10/2014 6:31:59 PM

ok, how do you guys do that on purpose?

i always thought it was a glitch, but looking at the previous page, i don't think so any more!

5/10/2014 6:44:36 PM

ok, how do you guys do that on purpose?

i always thought it was a glitch, but looking at the previous page, i don't think so any more!

5/10/2014 6:44:36 PM

ok, how do you guys do that on purpose?

i always thought it was a glitch, but looking at the previous page, i don't think so any more!

5/10/2014 6:44:36 PM

5/10/2014 6:47:15 PM

5/10/2014 7:03:42 PM

One of my best friends growing up was home schooled after middle school through 11th grade... Came back to public school to graduate in 12.


Turned out ok, I think. He's a DJ, has a wife and daughter now. Cool beans.

5/10/2014 7:35:34 PM

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"Its not gonna help your kid get a job people, the workplace doesn't care about your philosophy on controlling every single interaction your kid has until age 18."

I'm sure that many homeschooling parents (maybe even a majority) are motivated by a desire to control. I don't think that's the only possible purpose of "home schooling" though.

Public K-12 simply doesn't have an impressive track record. There are some great teachers in the public school system in NC, and there are also some teachers that have no place being anywhere near children, much less educating.

If this were 1950, I'd say sure, public schools are a no-brainer. In 2014, information is so readily available that I think settling for public school is just laziness.

5/10/2014 9:30:43 PM

I don't think it's nearly as much about the information or content being taught, as much as the social interaction

5/10/2014 9:36:14 PM

all the home schooled kids I've ever known turned out far better than the vast majority of the slag that public schools produce

[Edited on May 10, 2014 at 9:52 PM. Reason : as]

5/10/2014 9:52:15 PM

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"I don't think it's nearly as much about the information or content being taught, as much as the social interaction"

They're not exactly getting healthy social interaction at schools. There's a pretty low faculty to student ratio, so bullying can't really get dealt with in any meaningful way. The social skills you learn in school? Make other people look bad so that you get less negative attention.

[Edited on May 10, 2014 at 10:11 PM. Reason : ]

5/10/2014 10:09:48 PM

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"They're not exactly getting healthy social interaction at schools. "

Plenty of them are

And they're not exactly getting ANY social interaction at home school

5/10/2014 10:30:11 PM

I think home schooling is more likely to be swayed by a parent's own biases regarding subjects instead of trying to be more well-rounded

Aside from the home schooled kids I knew never having been taught basic things like evolution because of their religious nut parents

5/10/2014 10:37:07 PM

I want a trophy

5/10/2014 10:53:53 PM

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"so bullying can't really get dealt with in any meaningful way."

you dont send your kid to school to learn how to deal with bullying, you send them there to learn

5/11/2014 12:12:24 AM

...how to deal with social interaction in their world

like bullying

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let's be real

everyone deals with bullies as an adult

very few deal with numerical trigonometry

5/11/2014 1:11:14 AM

you niggers need to get over yourselves

5/11/2014 2:55:44 AM

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"I'm sure that many homeschooling parents (maybe even a majority) are motivated by a desire to control. I don't think that's the only possible purpose of "home schooling" though."

We home schooled for a year and a half, but it wasn't to control. After a job change my wife could no longer take our oldest son to the private school we had him attending 40 minutes from our home, so we decided to let her and her mom home school him. (This was in Halifax County which has the shittiest county schools in the state and at the time employees of the city school that lived outside of the district could not bring their kids with them.) The first half year went really well and he tested great at the end of the year. However the next year was a fucking fail. The mother-in-law decided that she would never say no to her grandsons, so she turned into a short-order cook and video game paradise for the boys and decided she didn't want to hurt their feelings by "forcing" them to learn. But she got super religious (while not attending any church because they were all hypocrites) and then decided that she would home school them until they were 18 and then let them go to college at Liberty, but only online because they might learn bad habits there.

I was tired off all this horseshit, so I thankfully got a job at UNC and moved the family to Carrboro and a good school district. One of my favorite moments in my life was when I dropped that bomb on the mother-in-law and her response was "Well what am I supposed to do with my life now?" Also she said the devil was at work. Yep, that was it.

5/11/2014 8:05:19 AM

5/11/2014 8:07:13 AM

^^How much were you paying your mother-in-law?

5/11/2014 9:04:54 AM

Nothing. She lived around the block and would babysit for us for free before the home schooling thing. She hasn't worked in years and since my wife is her only child she has nothing but free time on her hands. Plus she is morbidly obese so she doesn't like going out of the house.

5/11/2014 11:44:47 AM

Providing childcare and homeschooling sounds like work to me. You were very lucky to have someone who could help out like that!

5/11/2014 12:34:29 PM

Yes we appreciated that. We just didn't appreciate her saying she was going to help teach the kids and then deciding they came over and just played video games 24/7. She would maybe work on school work half of one day during an entire week. Our son went from way ahead at the end of 1st grade to somewhat behind by the end of 2nd grade, so when we moved we decided to make him start public school in 2nd. He is doing great now in 4th grade.

5/11/2014 1:22:50 PM

if we can afford it, we are planning on taking out kids out and homeschooling for a year while travelling

5/11/2014 3:47:48 PM

lol

5/11/2014 8:08:52 PM

I don't know anyone who isn't a religious nutjob who thinks homeschooling is a great idea (and plenty of people who are religious nutjobs who haven't let it be known that they think homeschooling is a great idea); a much better idea would be to send the kids to public school (or private if you're rich) and take an active role in checking up on their educational progress, much less work for you overall.

5/12/2014 12:11:52 AM

if both parents were teachers would they be more qualified or even more fucked?

[Edited on May 12, 2014 at 8:40 AM. Reason : -]

5/12/2014 8:40:17 AM

^^Eh I have a couple friends who did it and while they went to church with us, their parents were definitely not religious fanatics. They lived out in Northampton County (not great public schools) and decided not to send their kids to any of the private schools (all at least 30 minutes away) as their mom stayed home and had a degree and was no dummy. Out of the three kids (older brother & twin sisters) the son has a CS masters and works for Google and one daughter has a Masters in Accounting and been an accountant for years. Even the wild one of the bunch married a nice guy and settled down. I think like most things it depends on the education of the parents. Both their parents were college educated, so they understood and valued an education for their children. Dad made enough money that the family could travel some and put them in extracurricular activities with other kids, so it was a very different situation then a lot of families who homeschool.

The one that got me was a cousin of my wife. They used to also live in Northampton County and are pretty religious (Southern Baptist), but also college-educated. They moved about 4 years ago to the Wake Forest area, but they continued to home school. Granted they have more access to after school activities and other home school groups, but I guess I would have thought they would switch to public schools when they got somewhere with better actual schools. They are all in some church up there though and I think the church encourages home schooling, so maybe that is why they didn't? Again they were more religiously motivated to home school though.

5/15/2014 7:10:13 AM

I don't think it's great, but in the current educational climate, I can see why intelligent people would consider it to avoid some of the BS of the school system. I don't know how common they are, but Cary has some homeschool co-cops where kids can get together a few days a week and have one parent who knows more about a given subject teach the kids about it. One of the moms I talked to had a PhD in toxicology and taught science.

5/15/2014 7:27:20 AM

^Yea it was more my ignorance of their real motivation to home school (lack of options versus religious reasons). In Northampton County there were few choices. Shitty public school or expensive and cliquey private school that isn't that great and was almost an hour away (they did that for about a year with the oldest at first). Whereas in Wake County you have multiple public options (traditional, magnet, year-round) as well as charter and private (both religious and not). But like you said, you also have more home school support up here as well. They do one of those groups and the mom is apparently really good at math. The oldest daughter is really bright and the younger one is pretty smart too, but she is also a bit rebellious. It will be interesting to see what they do once they hit college age and what their parents allow them to do.

5/15/2014 7:34:37 AM

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"However, an increasing number of parents are starting to homeschool because the current public school system sucks so much in so many part of the country."

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"Public K-12 simply doesn't have an impressive track record. There are some great teachers in the public school system in NC, and there are also some teachers that have no place being anywhere near children, much less educating. If this were 1950, I'd say sure, public schools are a no-brainer. In 2014, information is so readily available that I think settling for public school is just laziness."

i understand that most people associate homeschooling with religious upbringing, controlling social interactions, whatever. that might have been the dominant reason in the past, or even still today i don't know

but when i think homeschooling, i think of all the kids in mathematics competitions i went to in high school who were homeschooled and beat all the other kids.

let's face it, public education provides merely a "decent" education. but that's not good enough today. i want my kids (and sure the rest of the planet too) to maximize their educational potential. i want an environment for my kids where they don't sit in chairs and listen to a teacher talk to the entire class. i want an environment where if you didn't learn something completely enough in the time allocated by the teacher's lesson plan, you're now just going to be behind and/or never learn it. i want an environment where students and teachers can together assess the mastery of the students learning, but at their own pace, and with the freedom to continue remediation as needed. one size fits all curricula makes no sense, we only do it because it was cost-effective. but it ignores the way that people learn best (self-discovery rather than regurgitation) but also because we have the means to do it better and cheaper now thanks to technology and open educational resources.

We had our oldest daughter in Montessori schools when she was young, but we can't afford it anymore, so she's in a public school now. fortunately it's a good district, but it still irks the hell out of me some of the stuff they do and i'm seriously anticipating that as my kids get older and more capable of driving their own learning, we would look to either home-schooling, co-op or some institutionalized version like https://www.altschool.com/ even if I have to change careers to do it. I'm really hopeful that the increase in charter schools will spawn some schools to take a fresh look at what schools can be in the 21st century, as I do feel that PUBLIC education should still exist, just not in its current (aka last century's) form.

5/15/2014 9:47:04 AM

^ If the majority of home school advocates used the same reasoning as you, I think the general perception would change.

My experience with home schoolers fits in with the stereotype. When we lived in Durham, the family three doors down homeschooled their 4 kids (they have 8 now). They were by the letter of the catechism Catholics. Their kids were the most well-behaved, genuinely good kids i've ever seen. They were also quite friendly, and we even had our daughter go to her house instead of daycare for about a year.

In a way they're like most of the mormons I know. Really good people at heart, very friendly, people you can trust. But once the conversation shifts beyond smalltalk, you see the insanity inside of the candy coating.

They homeschooled their kids first and foremost to make sure they got a religious education.

ok... nothing too weird there. but there's more.

The public schools are a tool of the liberal agenda to indoctrinate kids with atheism, sexualization, and other secular influences.

ok now we're in crazyland.

Anecdotal experience aside, what qntmfred suggests makes a lot more sense, especially as the quality of public school education declines due to being victimized by political fights as we've seen in NC and other states where the tea party have gained power. Unfortunately, most parents aren't as informed and equipped to develop a well-thought-out strategy like qntmfred and punchmonk.

5/15/2014 11:54:52 AM

Every, single, stereotype, about parents that home school.
http://wonkette.com/549045/homeschooled-slut-kicked-out-of-prom-for-giving-impure-thoughts-to-creepy-dads

http://www.nbc12.com/story/25509214/homeschool-prom

5/15/2014 3:45:10 PM

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"I’m not responsible for some perverted 45-year-old dad lusting after me because I have a sparkly dress on and a big ass for a teenager,” she concludes."

Story checks out.

5/15/2014 4:00:58 PM

Sounds like a lawsuit, much easier to sue a private home school organization than public schools.

5/15/2014 4:02:17 PM

It's pretty obvious that her date's goofy hat/glasses were the real problem.



http://crooksandliars.com/2014/05/christian-homeschool-dads-get-girl-kicked

5/15/2014 4:23:44 PM

ahh, haha, all that shit was at a "homeschooler prom"?

of course, hahaha. should have seen that coming.

5/15/2014 7:42:20 PM

Is that a black Amish?

5/15/2014 7:57:49 PM

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/05/15/tsr-sot-idaho-debate-goes-viral.cnn.html?c=politics

5/16/2014 10:39:35 AM

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"Is that a black Amish?"

Blamish

5/16/2014 10:49:23 AM

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"The same chaperone who had checked her dress then pulled her aside while she swayed to the music and talked to her friends. The woman told her that some of the fathers who volunteered at the event thought her dancing was “too provocative”"

Obviously she wasn't just standing there swaying to the music, while dads stood on the balcony salivating unable to control their lust for this underage girl so they had her kicked out. I mean I'm by no means a supporter of this religion-fueled home schooling thing, but we're only hearing one side of the story here.

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"A friend vouched that Clare had not been dancing for more than “2 seconds”"

GEEZE COME ON MRS D SHE WAS ONLY DANCING FOR LIKE 2 SECONDS!!! COME ON!!!

5/16/2014 11:12:02 AM

Here is some homeschool prom attire.

5/16/2014 11:31:31 AM

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" I’m a tall and fairly curvy girl and you know something? I looked hot. Not trashy, but you definitely would look twice when I walked through a doorway."

http://www.hannahettinger.com/fuck-the-patriarchy-guest-post-by-clare/

5/16/2014 11:56:05 AM

Was dancing not allowed? Was the old perv played by John Lithgow?

5/16/2014 12:29:46 PM

I've had a few facebook acquaintances post about starting homeschooling lately. Sounds like a popular reason now is so they don't have to vaccinate

5/16/2014 1:23:39 PM

she went to a "prom" at a methodist church. what did she expect?

joke's on her

5/16/2014 8:40:21 PM

^^ Jesus, one more dumbass thing in the homeschooling playbook

5/16/2014 9:58:57 PM

I graduated high school at 16, thanks to skipping grades 3 and 5. When I went to public school in 8th grade I didn't know how to write an essay though

5/17/2014 11:31:22 AM