Page 2 says show me the money

4/8/2011 4:09:56 PM

Actually, page two should have HockeyRoman explain how any of this can be blamed on the Republicans.

Had the FY11 budget been submitted/passed at all (in 2010 when the Democrats still controlled the Executive and Legislative branches), we wouldn't be discussing this.

4/8/2011 4:17:35 PM

^You do realize the the GOP would not let anything through the Senate last year? Even with 60 votes (they did not have 60 for all that long, went down to 59), the dems have some conversative members. All it takes is one of them to say no and it is filibustered to death by the GOP...all the GOP needs is 40 to filibuster anything. In order to pass anything last year, the dems had to have 60 votes to get through the GOP filibusters. Heck, the health are reform bill would not of been passed had the dems put it through the normal way. The reason it was passed is because of a procedural move that is not subject to filibusters. Some people think "oh, the dems were in control, they could do anything" and that is misguided when the minority (in the Senate) has lots of power to deny any bill from coming up for a vote. The GOP was pretty much the party of NO the first two years.




[Edited on April 8, 2011 at 4:30 PM. Reason : w]

4/8/2011 4:29:08 PM

Lik that whole Obamacare thing, right?

Guess that was some crazy Executive Order, huh?

4/8/2011 4:30:52 PM

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"Actually, page two should have HockeyRoman explain how any of this can be blamed on the Republicans."

well the democrats just presented their revised version with everything the GOP wanted except planned parenthood

[Edited on April 8, 2011 at 4:33 PM. Reason : so blame it on poor women?]

4/8/2011 4:32:40 PM

roddy, there is no use debating with kdogg. he is the worst kind of political hack. uniformed, unintelligent, and altogether drunk on his brand of ideology.

4/8/2011 4:33:43 PM

Like I said, Obamacare passed the senate under different rules, if it went the normal way, it would of been filibustered to death...you should google it.....learn something...


Also, stop blaming the dems, GOP controls one out of the three, they arent going to get everything they want....just not going to happen. It is also sad to see that Obama will likely easily win a second term because of the weak sauce potential GOP field.

4/8/2011 4:38:29 PM

Nice name-calling, Chance.

My ideology is that of the Constitution.

The Democrats, when they were in power, failed to put the budget to a vote because they were afraid of their own political existence.

They failed to lead.

The President has failed to lead.

The Republicans were voted into power on the platform of bringing fiscal discipline back to Washington.

They didn't get the message in 2006. Maybe they will get it now.

This battle is shaping up to tell the public who believes in what.

Roddy, agreed that the GOP has control of the House. They didn't in 2010, when the FY11 budget should have been submitted.

The GOP-controlled House has passed a bill to keep the government open. (fact) They have done their part.

The President is going to veto whatever bill he gets. (fact)

The Senate isn't even going to give him a bill. (fact)

So the country is waiting on the other two to step up and tell everyone what they believe in.

But I think we already know.

4/8/2011 5:04:50 PM

As someone who isn't getting paid, I blame both parties. While I have enough money to last for a long time, I got buddies downrange who don't need to be worrying about their families being able to eat. Fuck this shit, quit trying to push agendas and make a bill with no fucking riders allowing the military to be paid.

[Edited on April 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM. Reason : a]

4/8/2011 5:07:01 PM

^ signed.... I've got friends who aren't getting paid cause of this shit. It's crap.

4/8/2011 5:21:14 PM

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"Boehner is a bitchass"

Boehner is the highest ranking person in this country who doesn't want to sell it to China and still believes in America.

Do you think one of the most powerful men in the world breaks down bawling like a baby because everything is hunky-dory in Washington? Can you only imagine the crap that mofo knows about the government and just how dangerously close our country is to disaster? It should give you chills to think about it. You'd be crying too if you knew how much fiscal and government stability danger we're in.

4/8/2011 5:39:32 PM

I'm sorry, how much would paying the military make us more insecure as a nation? I mean I like getting paid, my friends do too.

Bill XXXXX

The military gets paid

-End of bill-

Signed, the US House, Senate and President.

I mean I'm sure it's done up a little bit better, but BAM there you go.

4/8/2011 5:43:14 PM

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"should have HockeyRoman explain how any of this can be blamed on the Republicans."

Seriously? I mean, I know you have your head in the sand but come on. I'll make it nice and easy for even you to understand. Republicans ask for $x in spending cuts. Democrats agree to $x in cuts and then the republicans turn around and attach a whole slew of social agenda and environmentally destructive riders. It's never enough for republicans.

Oh and because you seem to have a very short memory the reason why a budget didn't get passed last year is because 1) the republicans already fucking said they would filibuster it in the Senate and 2) they spent an over abundance of time filibustering and posturing over everything else that year so there wasn't a realistic amount of time to address the matter in any meaningful way.

4/8/2011 5:45:59 PM

Yeah that's exactly what they did and "BAM" promised to veto it. I am normally sarcastic, but I am dead serious. Obama promised a blanket veto on anything GOP from the House that falls short of his expectations, and the first thing they submitted to him was exactly that which did not meet his expectations. It was from Rep Gohmert of Texas. Obama promised to veto. Has he lost his mind?

Here's the bill
http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.139741!/menu/standard/file/Bill.pdf

4/8/2011 5:47:45 PM

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"The GOP-controlled House has passed a bill to keep the government open. (fact) They have done their part."

Bullshit they've done their part.

They've passed a bill containing riders with very little fiscal impact and very significant social and cultural impact.

They're holding the salaries of 2.8 million government and military members, not to mention the rest of us who depend on government services (or would just like to go to a national park), hostage to their social agenda.

This shit has zero to do with fiscal responsibility. The budget is simply a convenient tool for Republicans to beat us over the head with.

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4/8/2011 5:47:58 PM

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"The budget is simply a convenient tool for Republicans to beat the rest us over the head with."

I AGREE with you

but it has to start somewhere. The beginning of balancing a budget is the first time that someone finally says, "No," to something.

OBAMA SPENDS IN A MONTH WHAT BUSH SPENT IN A YEAR.

FOURTEEN TRILLION DEFICIT

(and my pay is being held hostage too, but this is important to send a message to the morons who don't understand the dire circumstances we're in)

4/8/2011 5:52:19 PM

what dire circumstances?

4/8/2011 6:01:10 PM

You're right, Chance - gas prices are fine and three wars isn't too many.

We should all be paying 6/gal on average, and Syria, Yemen, and Lebanon really need to have democracy exported to them as well.

You're absolutely right, "dire" was too strong of a word. There's nothing wrong at all right now.

4/8/2011 6:15:33 PM

Republicans bitching about being in wars is cute.

4/8/2011 6:36:24 PM

republicans could end this budget shit now if they gave up on trying to defund planned parenthood. thats what this is about, its the only issue where a compromise can't be met.

4/8/2011 6:40:58 PM

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"We should all be paying 6/gal on average, and Syria, Yemen, and Lebanon really need to have democracy exported to them as well. You're absolutely right, "dire" was too strong of a word. There's nothing wrong at all right now. "

Dire now merely implies something wrong? And not websters definition

"Warning of or having dreadful or terrible consequences; calamitous: a dire economic forecast; dire threats.
2. Urgent; desperate: in dire need; dire poverty."

So...gas goes to $6 gallon (why didn't you pick $10, or $15? Why didn't you pick $3.60, which is what it is now?)...the dire consequences are....people drive less? OH THE HUMANITY. People have to scale back on iPad purchases? OH THE HUMANITY. People have to trim the cell phone, internet, tv, eating out budgets? OH THE HUMANITY.

I'm dead fucking serious. What is so dire RIGHT NOW. Today. About the budget that we have to enact sweeping cuts across the board? Am I saying we don't need to get our fiscal house in order? ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT. Read that again if you need to. But do we need to bicker over bullshit and disrupt the function of the union over some horseshit today? Hell no.

So stop using Hanity and Rush language to describe the damn situation.

I'm sick of this shit.

4/8/2011 7:56:16 PM

I don't use any language of Hannity and Rush. If I do, they're coming to the same conclusions.

I only gather my conclusions based on the government's own releases - press releases from the offices of public information from your choice of agency. They're all on twitter.

They also post infinite amounts of information online. All it takes is following the money to find out what matters to whom.

Dissension is healthy, and the GOP isn't the party that's telling people to silence the opposition right now.

Colbert / Stewart / Limbaugh / Hannity / Beck / Cavuto / O'Reilly / Coulter / Huffington are just like Cliff's Notes to the real thing.

4/8/2011 8:10:08 PM

CNN reporting potential deal....no riders included and that one week CR will be passed to complete deal...GOP blinked!

4/8/2011 8:24:14 PM

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"the GOP isn't the party that's telling people to silence the opposition right now."

They're not?

What would you call tacking social agenda riders onto the budget?

4/8/2011 9:02:16 PM

4/8/2011 9:21:14 PM

That cartoon is heavy on stereotype and light on truth.

4/8/2011 9:25:45 PM

If your paycheck isn't in jeopardy due to this shutdown then you need to exit from this conversation.

4/8/2011 9:28:32 PM

Why is that?

4/8/2011 9:33:46 PM

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"They're holding the salaries of 2.8 million government and military members, not to mention the rest of us who depend on government services (or would just like to go to a national park)"

Wow...priorities.

Why would you feel like you depend on government services?

Has someone deprived you of something for which only the government can provide?

Or is it that someone told you there is something you need and only the government can provide?

Doesn't that beg the question of what the government SHOULD provide (in accordance with the Constitution)?

4/8/2011 9:59:52 PM

GOP damned if they do, damned if they don't.

If they do stand up for what they believe in, this is all their fault.

If they allow for compromise, they "blinked" and don't truly stand behind their words.




either way, the democrats come off as whining pussies.

4/8/2011 10:13:49 PM

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"I don't use any language of Hannity and Rush"

Sure you do. You said 'dire'. As if we need to slash and burn federal programs yesterday or else the country is going to descend into chaos. Thats what you're saying right?

4/8/2011 10:44:08 PM

Woot, about time

4/8/2011 11:00:21 PM

Okay, where's the rest of my pay?

4/8/2011 11:14:51 PM

Just calm the fuck down.

4/8/2011 11:19:08 PM

Congrats, we're saving $500b over 10 years... Except, how much MORE per year are we going to be spending with SS, Medicare, and Medicaid over the next 10 years? Oh, and the lovely health care law that starts soon?
People should NOT be depending on the government for money (Exception: if you work for the govt or military, different situation).

4/8/2011 11:30:22 PM

Just calm the fuck down.

4/8/2011 11:32:34 PM

don't get ahead of yourself, krneo

if only the military/federal workers depended on the federal government for money, how would the Democrats win any elections?

4/9/2011 7:55:52 AM

And there are those people in society who honestly need assistance (not dependence, but assistance).

We should help those people.

4/9/2011 7:56:40 AM

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"Wow...priorities. Why would you feel like you depend on government services? Has someone deprived you of something for which only the government can provide? Or is it that someone told you there is something you need and only the government can provide? Doesn't that beg the question of what the government SHOULD provide (in accordance with the Constitution)?"

Well, lets see...a 60-second list of government services I consume or have consumed:

- I use city water/sewage.
- I use city trash/recycling pick-up.
- I drive on public roads.
- I attended K-12.
- I attended a four year college.
- I use the internet.
- I use airports and fly on airplanes.
- I frequent city parks and (less frequently) national parks.
- I use public transportation in cities that have decent public transportation.
- I have travelled to DC several times and visited many of the free parks, museums and monuments.
- I send and receive snail-mail.
- I consume content delivered over public airways.
- I consume content delivered via government-granted franchises.
- Police and fire have responed to various situations I've been in over time.
- I listen to NPR and watch PBS.
- I'm a big fan of the NWS.

I guess all this makes me a leech on a government funded by largesse and labor stolen from fine people such as kdogg(c) (who I'm sure is a bootstrappin' motherfucker if ever there was one).

4/9/2011 9:06:01 AM

Alright let's can all that noise. We know we're getting paid now - but here's the real kicker. DFAS is so "busy" doing regular cyclical paychecks that a small blip on their radar made us now have to have "two transactions."

Sorry DFAS BUT HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO DEPOSIT MONEY ON A REGULAR BASIS? AND HOW MANY OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WORK THERE TO DO THAT SIMPLE TASK?? Wall Street financiers can send TRILLIONS of dollars around the world in a nanosecond and you DUMB dependopautamus fucks can't deal with the potential drama of an averted media stunt that may have captivated your attention for 20 minutes? It's ok you're retarded, and it's no secret.

The good news is that the SECNAV just released a "position classification" directive, which is big code for major cutbacks on the dependopautami (plural for dependopautamus - the fat military spouse that suckles the Naval Welfare State). Good news you were watching CNN for so long, because now you're gonna get what you want - which is to be furloughed permanently when the OPM is finished labeling and disposing of your ass.

Read the non-inflammatory, majorly coded personnel "management" instruction targeted at the oxygen scavengers keeping the desks warm at various government facilities here: http://doni.daps.dla.mil/Directives/12000%20Civilian%20Personnel%20Services/12-500%20Civilian%20Personnel%20Position%20Classification,%20Pay%20and%20Allowances/12511.1.pdf

4/12/2011 5:55:29 PM

Just what the shit are you babbling about?

4/12/2011 6:04:12 PM

you speak English?

4/12/2011 6:05:18 PM

Well, I don't speak "bitch made" which is why I'm having trouble understanding what you are talking about.

4/12/2011 6:10:06 PM

^ If I have gathered anything from your posts, you're trolling like 3 or 4 people in this thread, so I no longer feel special. If you don't actually work for the government or have a personal investment in this, you're just an altruistic armchair academic thinking that you know better. Why don't you go do something with your life that involves helping the country like serve in the military. There's no way in hell you serve the country and have the values that you do.

4/12/2011 6:20:21 PM

u mad?

4/12/2011 6:25:45 PM

No I am as happy as you were when you found out DADT was lifted.

4/12/2011 6:27:36 PM

This is a problem that is going to continue coming up. Ideally, politicians would take an objective look at the budget and make some tough decisions based on long-term considerations. That's unlikely to happen. Almost all politicians would rather run perpetual deficits and have the "next guy" worry about the fallout.

What budget would have Democrats accepted? One without riders but with substantial cuts? No. When the cuts themselves are being referred to as "riders," there's a problem. Even with this being called a "Republican victory," it's not. The cuts are paltry compared to what needs to be done. Very few Americans are attuned to the budget crisis the U.S. government faces. It's what I would refer to as normalcy bias. Government workers and military personnel, at some point, will have to accept that their job security is not as great as it has always been portrayed, because their wages are funded through treasury bonds that will continue to mature, which means the government will have to make the decision to sell more bonds to cover the maturity, or have the Fed create money.

I like Rand Paul's suggestion, though: while in an "emergency budget" situation like this, all salary payments to Congress and the White House should be suspended, with no ability to collect back pay retroactively.

4/12/2011 6:37:54 PM

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"Sorry DFAS BUT HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO DEPOSIT MONEY ON A REGULAR BASIS? AND HOW MANY OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WORK THERE TO DO THAT SIMPLE TASK??"

1. Why do you care so much if it's split into 2 payments for this one paycheck?

2. What I read is that DFAS was told by their computer whiz guys that whatever they'd have to do to make it a single payment would have been very risky in terms of an issue with the reliability of the computer system they use.

4/12/2011 6:47:58 PM

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" If you don't actually work for the government or have a personal investment in this, you're just an altruistic armchair academic thinking that you know better."

In addition to being an appeal to accomplishment, that is a pretty poor view to take.

In any case, count yourself lucky if the biggest blip on your radar is having your total pay being deposited with two transactions on your normal payday.

4/12/2011 6:48:31 PM

I don't really care all that much, Duke, but in general it's the slippery slope to the erosion of good order, discipline, and excellency in performance. Something as arcane as having to split a deposit into two payments is ridiculous at our level of computing. When something is as inordinately complex and convoluted as programs such as Defense Finance and Account Services and Pentagon Supply Requisition, they usually just smell of abuse of the system. We've become too reliant on the black box theory of two deposits just because they said so. Nobody presses for the excellence of just keeping a program consistent and effective. I see the "two deposit" suggestion as a weak counter-political stunt at best conducted by bureaucrats interested in keeping technocracy bloated.

4/12/2011 6:51:41 PM