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9/20/2010 11:32:13 PM

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"For my car, it takes a couple days driving and about 100 miles"

I had this on E36 M3, which has the same I-6 engine as your 2.8. ECUs are probably built on the same platform. Have you tried clearing it, driving ~ 35 miles and then taking in for inspection? Tools they use at inspection places might be totally different. You might not need to drive that long for them to inspect it. It is worth a try.

9/21/2010 11:17:51 AM

the madness continues. I called the DMV today. They could not tell me where to go to get a waiver (I kid you not). I ended up standing in line at the tags office for an hour. They ACTUALLY HAD a number for me to call. Call the number, and find out I have to drive to fucking Hillsborough to get the waiver. I call the agency, and even though I have followed the procedure to the letter, there is still a possibility I wont get a waiver.

There is a reason people think state employees are idiots.

9/22/2010 10:18:39 AM

you are part of the problem

i've had numerous complicated dealings with the DMV and i've never had a problem

you are having trouble accomplishing something relatively simple

you are part of the problem

[Edited on September 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM. Reason : .]

9/22/2010 10:21:18 AM

That is why you are supposed to take care of problems early and not wait until the last minute.

Didn't you learn this lesson in High School about waiting until the last minute to do research papers?

[Edited on September 22, 2010 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/22/2010 12:27:13 PM

Avent Ferry Rd DMV has a license and theft bureau department that does those waivers. I was in there getting a trailer title straight and everyone coming in and out was getting waivers. 2 failed inspections are needed, and a repair bill where you tried to fix it. Vehicle has to be there for them to look at too.

9/22/2010 12:44:13 PM

Thanks. If I get any problem from the guy in Hillsborough, I'll just turn around and go to Avent Ferry.

9/22/2010 1:06:27 PM

FINALLY got the car registration renewed. This is the process to get a waiver, because the online instructions miss some (big surprise).

1) Visit Inspection Station. Fail the inspection.
2) Carry inspection report to mechanic, have him spend more than $200 in parts and labor trying to fix this. He needs to indicate the code he is trying to fix on the receipt. KEEP RECEIPT OF WORK.
3) Check engine light comes on again after the work. Carry to same inspection station again. Fail the second inspection.
4) Go to the DMV office (this will probably be the office that does your license renewal and driving tests, NOT THE TAG OFFICE. You will meet with an inspector. Have with you BOTH your inspection reports, your worksheet from the mechanic, and registration. He will examine your car, and probably grant a waiver.
5) Go to the inspection station a THIRD time, this time with waiver documentation in hand. Pray that there are no additional codes.

I probably spent 8+ hours to get this done. Had the license tag renewal coincided with the inspection sticker, I would have just taken it back to the shop to get it fixed (since I would have 2 months to deal with it). Since it didnt, the state has actually put a car back on the road that fails emissions for one more year. Good job!

9/24/2010 11:18:25 AM

YOU CAUSED THE PROBLEM BY WAITING UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO GET YOUR INSPECTION COMPLETED

9/24/2010 2:00:38 PM

I've also written letters to the state senator and house representative for my district. I'll let you know if I get anything back of substance.

9/24/2010 2:11:31 PM

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"YOU CAUSED THE PROBLEM BY WAITING UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO GET YOUR INSPECTION COMPLETED"

so what's the point of a deadline if you have to complete it before then?

9/24/2010 2:14:32 PM

Just ignore the troll. Everyone else does.

9/24/2010 2:15:58 PM

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"I've also written letters to the state senator and house representative for my district. I'll let you know if I get anything back of substance."

I'd be surprised if you do. Basically the EPA/Clean Air Act put the burden of reducing emissions on the individual states. The EPA/CAA is the reason why the registration/inspections are forever going to be tied together. In the past with the sticker system, your vehicle would have to be 6 months past due for an inspection before you'd get fined and your tags would be denied on the next renewal (I know a few people that either flat out forgot or had the beater in the shop/being repaired and didn't think about it). So under the old system if you failed the emissions inspection in January (and said "fuck it") and renewed your tags in April before the state had the chance to catch it (a paper trail), then it wouldn't be until next April before your registration would have been denied. That's 15 months being out of compliance whereas under the new system it will only be 12. Now say the inspection sticker/registration renewal dates were reversed. You could renew your tags in January, fail the emissions in April, obtain a waiver (the waivers were around then too), renew your tags next January with the waiver, and then fail again next April. That would be 20 months out of compliance before the registration would be denied.

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"(C) STATE PROGRAM.—The State program required under subparagraph (A) shall include, at a minimum, each of the following elements— ... (iv) Enforcement through denial of vehicle registration"

http://epw.senate.gov/envlaws/cleanair.pdf

TLDR: The system is working exactly as intended. The goal was to increase compliance and to reduce the amount of time your car could be out of compliance. If you did happen to get a citation for expired tags due to your emissions/registration denial it would have been dropped by the DA assuming you took care of it before the court date (which you would have).

9/24/2010 2:57:45 PM

I think you skipped just about everything I said.

All I am asking for is for the grace period for tag renewal to coincide with the grace period of the failed inspection. It gets exactly what they are going for (increased compliance) without exposing you to a potential court date. That is 'truly' coupling the two together. What they have now is a crock.

[Edited on September 24, 2010 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2010 3:06:35 PM

you have 90 days in which to get your car inspected, ending on the date your registration expires. how many of those days elapsed before you went for your inspection? from the OP it sounds like about 75 days went by before your engine light came on.

i'm not trolling. i'm not saying things i don't actually believe for the sake of being a dick. i just think you should accept responsibility for your role in this.



[Edited on September 24, 2010 at 3:53 PM. Reason : s]

9/24/2010 3:47:17 PM

LOL at the amount of work, time, and money CarZin put into this when he could have just followed the directions of the law in the first place.

9/24/2010 3:55:14 PM

^^even if you get your car inspected on the last day of that 90, you're still in compliance with the law. It makes no sense that you can get a legal extension of the inspection, but the registration, which is tied to the inspection, is allowed to expire.

^it'd be much better if the law wasn't retarded enough to not grant an extension on both elements that are supposed to be tied to each other in the first place.

[Edited on September 24, 2010 at 3:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2010 3:57:10 PM

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"It makes no sense that you can get a legal extension of the inspection, but the registration, which is tied to the inspection, is allowed to expire. "

A) It's a preexisting law.

B) It's still valid and useful if you get your car inspected and it fails at any time before your renewal. That's 90 days + 2 weeks.

9/24/2010 4:02:12 PM

^^^^^,^^I think you are confused about the "grace period" and what it's for. Even under the sticker system, if you were within the 60 day window but your sticker had expired, you'd still get a ticket (and get it dropped if you took care of it in a timely manner). Once it's expired, it's expired. Just because the state does not make you pay for another inspection if you get it done within 60 days (and gives you a 60 day ultimatum to get it fixed or get a waiver) doesn't mean you were ever "technically in a legal state" with the inspection. Furthermore the logistics of extending the expiration date of the registration would be nightmarish. I mean they'd have to send you a temporary registration card along with a temporary tag sticker, since even if your registration is valid I think you can get a ticket for not having one or both.

9/24/2010 4:02:33 PM

Really, dont bother responding to them. I'm not.

^ That's the first I have been told you can get a ticket when you fail the inspection, have the 60 day notice in the car. I want to find the law on that, but if this is the case, it makes more sense.

[Edited on September 24, 2010 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2010 4:03:07 PM

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"I swear, I am going to schedule a meeting with my representative over this..."

9/24/2010 4:05:23 PM

I sent an email. if I dont get a response, I will schedule a meeting.

9/24/2010 4:05:57 PM

Make sure you record it so we can see you look like a dumbass for wasting a representatives time on something that has elementary logic associated with it.

9/24/2010 4:08:39 PM

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"B) It's still valid and useful if you get your car inspected and it fails at any time before your renewal. That's 90 days + 2 weeks"

lol, no...if the car is inspected on day 90 and failed (still legal and even before the two week grace period), why would it make sense for them to give you a 60 day extension on the inspection if you're out of compliance with the registration part of it 15 days later? why even grant an extension?

[Edited on September 24, 2010 at 4:11 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2010 4:10:47 PM

I think what I have just found out, which is convoluted, is that the 60 day grace period is so that you dont have to pay for a second inspection during that period.

Now, non-genius and billy-notalent didnt know this, and would like you to believe they win, but their arguments were built on false premises, as were mine. The only person is this thread that seems to have a handle on this is jethromoore.

Good to know in the future that the extension only relates to the charges an inspection station can charge you, and not an actual extension of your ability to drive the car on the road.

[Edited on September 24, 2010 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2010 4:17:42 PM

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"Good to know in the future that the extension only relates to the charges an inspection station can charge you, and not an actual extension of your ability to drive the car on the road."

Not even you can believe this.

9/24/2010 4:57:54 PM

Huh? Thats what I found on several sites. The 60 days means you dont pay to have a follow-up inspection.

That is confirmed with my 3 trips. I only paid the $30. (technically, $24 on the first, and $6 on the third when it was completed).

Did you ride the short bus to school?

[Edited on September 24, 2010 at 5:00 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2010 5:00:19 PM

9/24/2010 5:08:37 PM

You're an idiot. I'm done responding to you.

9/24/2010 5:14:36 PM

no, actually, i wasn't incorrect at all and my argument was not based on a false premise.

i thought it was obvious that the grace period was all about inspection fees. that's why i said this:

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"you have 90 days in which to get your car inspected, ending on the date your registration expires. how many of those days elapsed before you went for your inspection? from the OP it sounds like about 75 days went by before your engine light came on."

in other words,

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"not an actual extension of your ability to drive the car on the road"

that was my only claim and it is supported by the information you recently "discovered" (or in your misplaced anger were willfully ignoring).

in short, YOU are the douchebag, CarZin.

[Edited on September 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM. Reason : s]

9/27/2010 4:24:07 PM