^He/she/whoever was clearly referring to an ideology, not specific individuals. Note the repeated use of "ism" rather than "es".

7/6/2010 6:42:20 PM

^ Are you a spokesperson? Let him/her answer.

Once again, the questions is:

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"Again, you were referring to American Christian conservatives, right?"

7/6/2010 6:45:17 PM

You're the one who used to go on and on about precise meanings of words. You can tell what he's talking about very plainly just by reading it. Live up to your own standards.

[Edited on July 6, 2010 at 6:52 PM. Reason : v oh, another classic hooksaw tactic: ignore everyone but the target of your rhetoric]

7/6/2010 6:47:24 PM

To lewisje:

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"Again, you were referring to American Christian conservatives, right?"

7/6/2010 6:51:57 PM

Conservatism covers a wide array of ideologies. A person that is pro-war, pro-theocracy, and for big government might be called a conservative. A person that is anti-war, for separation of church and state, and for small government might also be called a conservative. I asked earlier for conservatism to be defined. I'll ask again. No one has done it, because it can't be done. The same can be said for liberalism.

There's no common thread that all conservatives, tea partiers, or libertarians share. If there is, it's a vague expectation that we should return to our roots, or at least to the way things were done at one point in the past. Certainly, there are not many conservatives saying that we should just keep things the way they are. That would be the traditional "conservative" position. The position I take, for instance, is that we should return to following the Constitution. Given the current political climate, that's a radical position, yet it would still be considered a more conservative position than a liberal one.

On the "left" of the false left right paradigm, you have liberals, progressives, Marxists, socialists, anarcho-syndicalists, left libertarians, and dozens of other ideologies that often come into conflict with one another. Even among these ideologies, there is no common thread. Someone might say they all support big government; they don't.

It's easier to assign someone to a group and make assumptions than to actually put forth a decent argument, as evidenced by this thread.

7/6/2010 7:15:21 PM

I'm self-identified as sick and tired of Obama Big Government.

7/7/2010 10:15:50 AM

YOU DOWN WITH OBG?

7/7/2010 12:50:58 PM

\o ya u no me

7/7/2010 12:51:30 PM

other people’s property?

Yes, that sounds like something Democrats are after...

7/7/2010 1:08:59 PM

I'd imagine most big business owners who snag properties are self-identified Republicans. But I'm just saying...

7/7/2010 1:12:51 PM

^
Right, right. Because if you're not a Democrat, you're a Republican.

7/7/2010 1:14:30 PM

^^^you do realize that the original song didn't literally mean "property"

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM. Reason :

7/7/2010 1:14:32 PM

To lewisje:

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"Again, you were referring to American Christian conservatives, right?"

7/7/2010 1:16:02 PM

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"you do realize that the original song didn't literally mean "property""

No, I've been living under a rock.
And I also think Eminem is a chocolate candy.


^
What is your fucking problem?
Why are you trying so hard to force your straw-man down his throat?
You do realize that every single person reading this can clearly see you're a worthless troll, right?

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 1:22 PM. Reason : ]

7/7/2010 1:21:14 PM

to hooksaw: Isn't it obvious?

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 1:23 PM. Reason : they are adherents of the bad conservatism

7/7/2010 1:23:01 PM

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"^ So, American Christian conservatives--and let's be honest, that's who you're referring to--never did anything good for this country, for the world?"

You edited: "Those are the conservatives worth fuming about."

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 1:24 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2010 1:24:17 PM

they surely did good things, but their actions in general were bad to the extent to which they advanced the theocratic agenda

7/7/2010 1:31:03 PM

^
NO, NO, NO

PEOPLE CAN ONLY DO 100% GOOD, OR 100% BAD
HOOKSAW HAS IT FIGURED OUT -- CHRISTIANS ARE 100% GOOD, BECAUSE HE SAYS SO

7/7/2010 1:34:24 PM

^^ Well, it only took umpteen posts to get you to admit that social conservatives aren't all bad. A point that was certainly not made clear in this post by you:

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"the point is that the kind of conservatism that is evil, the kind all intelligent and good-natured citizens should cringe at, is social conservatism"

So, there are good people perpetrating "evil"?

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 1:42 PM. Reason : ^ So, you admit that s/he was referring to Christians? ]

7/7/2010 1:41:15 PM

Seems like s/he admitted it with the words "theocratic agenda".

7/7/2010 1:43:59 PM

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"So, there are good people perpetrating 'evil'?"

7/7/2010 1:49:18 PM

^^I am a man

and it's the "ism" that is bad, and the "ists" that are bad to the extent to which they advance the "ism"

7/7/2010 2:01:11 PM

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"So, you admit that s/he was referring to Christians?"

Uh, yeah... you know.... after he admitted it
It's only a straw-man if they never made or claimed the argument -- and he just did, but until then, you were using a straw-man. Eventually proving correct doesn't make it not a straw-man.... You know... chronology?

(put away your crystal ball -- you don't know everything)

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"So, there are good people perpetrating 'evil'"

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 2:05 PM. Reason : ]

7/7/2010 2:04:57 PM

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"and it's the 'ism' that is bad, and the 'ists' that are bad to the extent to which they advance the 'ism'"

Rather circular bit of logic, wouldn't you say? So, the social conservatives are "bad" because they advance social conservatism? Really?

^ Please stay out of it. You're doing nothing but sniping.

7/7/2010 2:14:24 PM

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"So, you admit that s/he was referring to Christians?"

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"**answers question**"

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"stay out of it"

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM. Reason : ]

7/7/2010 2:26:40 PM

^ You have a firm grasp of the obvious.

7/7/2010 2:29:43 PM