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2/13/2010 11:33:44 PM

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2/14/2010 12:38:20 AM

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I kid, I kid

2/14/2010 12:38:49 AM

I realize that this wire is about the external sales….in what I am. Hear me outside, perhaps I can offer perspicacity.

I am in external sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will enter the right commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. J' was in this position since July 2009. J' have the competition of several reps direct of sales of manufacture, large distributors, and local distributors. Here advantages and disadvantages of each one:

Direct advantages: The immediate knowledge of new technology, any average mark d' man to the top, a bill of lading (paid by the manufacturer or l' purchaser of the goods), access to more extended range of the articles of not-product, inventory of order, have access to many distributors which can indeed sell their goods which increases the market share, and fixed prices of product qu' they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 reps sales by area (C. - with-D. south-east, mid-atlantic, the North-East, etc) limiting the number of accounts qu' they can successfully control/cold-call, of service to the physical customers of lack or of physical engineering service available or accessible for to smaller users or completely, are sometimes not worthy of confidence parce qu' they will go inside behind their distributors which sell their product on an account in great quantity (C. - with-D. they missed a large account, and discovered about it by a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product more, have too much distributors to sell the product leading the price d' finally; together downwards to deviations, distributors count probably above to really sell the product, and competes with d' other direct sources.

Great advantages of distributor: have access to d' other products which are of par matched with d' other manufacturers (poor grocers d' example sell milk as well as the cereal), obtain the wholesale price, much d' places on a regional level or by relieving the burden d' nationally; forwarding of the purchasers with multiple places, customer of personal service or technique, much of reps of sales which can cover a broader territory, access to the multiple manufacturers of the same product while letting maintain prices in control, utility routines these of smaller companies can' ; offer and direct suppliers can' T; match of T in price or value, and experts of much of much of products in opposition to one or d' ones.

Great disadvantages of distributor: smaller local distributors creating the price wars (think Michael Scott Co of paper against Dunder-Mifflin), mfg' direct; S entering behind and stealing the businesses, access limited to all mfg' ; S (you won' ; named marks of rocker of Harris of lucky find of T in the lion of food and poured it of visa), can' ; really fixed prices of T parce qu' it' ; S based on l' offer and asks it, management of territory, and prospects hard for growth in slower economies (that applies to direct as well really)

local Advantages of distributor: Typically a good ol' ; l' arrangement of boy where the salesman and l' purchaser know himself during years (this occurs on all the levels, but most of the time at the local level), local people are good tiny room the street and can be employed in the urgencies, if the local purchases of high type to enough of volumes there n' is then any load d' forwarding with l' user, and l' access to both mfg' direct; S and large distributors.

Local disadvantages of distributor: easily beaten in the price, the line of products, the choice of technology, the lack of qualified personnel, the low margin, etc etc etc

Is this what j' in my six months, I noted am sure qu' there is d' abundance more which has need to mention. The manner I am arrangement myself with share because a person of sales is this: I go after the large accounts in this moment while I am new. The large accounts, if I unload them, will take care of me while I am new and establishing an user base. L' money makes with far from those enables me to concentrate the spare time on smaller accounts which m' obtain higher margins. J' accumulate large accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of the latter, then obtain 20-30 accounts of medium. If I lose 1 or 2 large accounts, the 20-30 accounts of medium maintain to me with flood while I go after new large accounts. I don' ; time really of reject of T on small accounts simply parce qu' they pay the lunch or something basically really small.

I will say this, if you can' ; T obtain a large account in the first 6-8 month (assuming you have the margin that you can assemble this length) which you could be in a world d' trouble. If you can obtain one, it will really return going after the others much more pleasant and less stressing. It' ; wasting very exhausting of S simply right n' import when on n' import what other that large accounts in the beginning even. You work just like hard on the average accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of l' money in my situation.

If you have n' import which other questions, you can TOKEN ENTRY I. J' hope for how this helps in lightest!

2/14/2010 12:55:39 AM

go back to lurking

2/14/2010 12:59:47 AM

I realise that this thread is over those, those created its own company…. which I do not have. Hear me, possibly I can something view offer.

I am in the outside sales, who at present salary+commission am, but into the straight commission will move, that begins at the beginning July 2010. I was in this position since July 2009. I have competition of some direct Herstellungsverkaufsripsen, of large distributors and from local distributors. Are here the advantages and the disadvantages of everyone:

Direct advantages: Immediate knowledge of the new technology, a middle man marking above, a waybill (paid of the manufacturer or of the customer of goods), entrance to the larger distance the nonusage property of individual parts, tax inventory, their goods, market share did not increase entrance to many distributors, those and adjusted prices of the customs property effectively to sell to be able, that, it manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: If you have usually 1-3 Verkaufsripse per the region (i.e. southeast, mid atlantic, northeast, etc.) the number of audits, which can handle them,/, cold-designate, the physical customer service of the lack or physical technical service limiting, which are together affordable successful for available or for smaller users or, are not sometimes trustworthy, because they go inside behind their distributors, those their customs property to an account in the large quantities (i.e. they missed a large account and over it by a distributor found out, which sells their certain product), which leads to the distributor, which does not sell no more their product, has too many distributors that, product perhaps to sell sell, which finally down by deviations drives the sentence price, build at distributors to really sell to the product and competition of other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: if you have entrance to other consumer durables, which fit hand in hand other manufacturers (milk as well as grain sell poor example general store), direct price calculation, many positions receive regionally or the shipment load of the customers with repeated positions national, facilitating, to cover a more expanded area personal Service-entweder customer or technical, many Verkaufsripse, which are, entrance to the repeated manufacturers of the same customs property being allowed prices in the examination to hold, these utility routines the smaller companies can' seaweed-offered and direct servicers can' T-same in the price or in the value and expert of many many consumer durables in the comparison with one or some.

Large distributor eight-hurry: smaller local distributor, which causes price wars (you think Michael Scott Papierco against Dunder Mifflin), direct mfg' s, that inside after goes and the business, with reduced access to all mfg' steals; s (it won' T-discovery Harris Schaukelnamensmarken in food lion and in the visa versa), can' t-really stopped prices because it' s is based on supply and demand, area management and strong growth prospects in the slower economic systems (this is really valid for direct in addition)

restaurants of distributor advantages: Usually a good ol' Boy attitude, in which the salesman and the customer know each other for years (this mostly happens on all levels, but on the local level), local of peoples are right descent the road and can in the urgencies, if the local chap purchases at highly sufficient volumes there then no shipment fee is to the final user, and in the entrance to both direct mfg' are used; s and large distributors.

Local distributor eight-hurry: easily struck in the price, in which row consumer durables, in which row technology, in the lack of trained personnel, is in the low circulation of money, in etc. etc. etc.

of this, which I considered in my six months, I is surely that it gives much more, which must mention. The way am I attitude apart, since a sales person is this: I go after the large accounts at this moment, while I am new. The large accounts, if I land them, worry about me, during I are establishing again and a customer existence. The money, which is made away by those, permits me, to direct spare time toward smaller accounts me the higher side edges received. I build large accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then receive 20-30 central accounts up. If I lose 1 or 2 large accounts, the 20-30 central accounts keep me quick, while I go to new large accounts. I don' t-really surplus time on small accounts simply, because they somewhat really pay generally for the small breakfast or.

I say this, if her can' t receive a large account in the first 6-8 months (you assuming have you circulation of money that you can ride this long), which could be you in a world of the trouble. If you can receive, it really forms, going to other much more pleasing and less stressful. It' s at any time waste exhaustive on everything differently than large accounts at the beginning simply straight much. They work straight as strong on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you know P.M.I. I hope that this helps in the slightest!

2/14/2010 1:15:15 AM

LOL

2/14/2010 1:17:13 AM

english to estonian
to chinese back to english

I realize that this thread is about sales, meme .... I am not. Listen to me, maybe I can provide some inspiration.

I'm outside sales, this is the salary + commission, but directly to the Commission beginning in early July, this second ? ? ? ten I have been in this position since July 2009. I want to direct competition, more productive sales representative, large distributors and local suppliers. Here the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct benefits: real-time understanding of the new technology, there is no middleman mark a shipping bill (cost of goods by the producer or the buyer), access to more non-trade items, check inventory, access to many distributors, it can effectively sell their products, thereby increasing the market share price and determination of the goods they produce.

Direct Disadvantages: They usually have 1-3 sales representatives in each region (ie Southeast, Mid-Atlantic, Northeast, etc.), limiting the number of accounts, they can successfully manage / cold calls, lack of customer service or technical service providers or physical affordable from the small users, or total and sometimes unreliable, because the distributors sell them to an account of its large number of goods (that is, they missed a great account, and have found some sales through distributors its special products), leading distributor not to sell their products much longer the products dealers driven by the bottom set of survey results may be relying on distributors to actually sell products, and other sources of direct competition.

Major distributors advantages: access to other goods, hand in hand with other manufacturers (bad example, grocery stores sell milk and cereals), can be directly priced, in many local, regional or national burden by simplifying the shipping buyers around The personal service, customer, or technical, ?? sales representatives, so that covering wider areas of the same commodity in numerous manufacturers that allows you to maintain the prices were Kongzhi, services Fang An, small companies can not provide direct providers are unable to match the price or value, many experts in many products, rather than one or a few.

Main dealers Disadvantages: smaller local distributors to create a price war (think Michael Scott Paper Co., Ltd. vs. Dunder - Mifflin), direct manufacturing company ready to take off and steal the business, limited access to products factory (you do not think ????? brands Food Lion, vice versa), can not really determine the price, because it is based on supply and demand, land management and the prospect of slower economic growth in the economic difficulties (this applies to direct as well as fact)

Local distributors advantages: generally good ol boys in an environment that buyers and sellers know each other for many years (it happens at all levels, but mainly at the local level), the rights of local people in the street, available in case of emergency, the local man bought a large enough sales volume will continue to be free shipping, is not the end-user access to products factory direct and large distributors.

Local dealer drawback: the price of an easily beaten, the array of products, an array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc., etc., etc.

This is what I have seen in my 6 months, I am sure there are many more need to mention. How do I set up their own sales staff in addition to that is: I'm going to major clients, I now as a new. Great customer, if I set them, take care of me, if I am a new building and customer base. Money is for me to concentrate on their free time in the smaller accounts, I am higher profits. I set up a large customer, such as those 5-10 and 20-30 of the calculated average. If I lose one or two big clients, an average of 20-30 account for downstream me when I want to pursue a major customer. I really do not waste time on small accounts, simply because, in principle, to pay for breakfast or very small.

I say, if you can not be the first big 6-8 months (assuming your cash flow, you can ride so long), you can become a world of trouble. If you get one, it really went after many other more enjoyable and reduce the pressure. This is simply a very hard time to waste than any other large customers from the start. You work hard, such as medium-sized accounting and view the 1 / 3 to 1 / 36 of my financial situation.

If you have any questions, please PM me. I hope this helps nothing!

4/15/2010 11:25:23 PM

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"I realize this thread is about we start jumping and then along with it go "ooooooooooooo" and get louder like "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH" and then switch to "PACK! PACK! PACK! PACK! OOOOOO PACK! PACK! PACK! PACK! OOOOOOOOOOOO! POWER PACK! POWER PACK! BACK THE PACK!" and then play a loud rockin rap song or somethin. i think it would get things crazy. If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!"

hahahaha, let's just stick to the truncated version from here on out

4/15/2010 11:48:41 PM

I realize this thread is about when someone can't be original enough on their own, they resort to either using some shit everyone else has said a hundred times or they repost the same thing over and over again hoping to make it a "thing".

i feel about these people the same way i do with respect to those who start mass forward emails.

then you eat some lettus and we start jumping and then along with it go "ooooooooooooo" and get louder like "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH" and then switch to "PACK! PACK! PACK! PACK! OOOOOO PACK! PACK! PACK! PACK! OOOOOOOOOOOO! POWER PACK! POWER PACK! BACK THE PACK!" and then play a loud rockin rap song or somethin. i think it would get things crazy.

4/15/2010 11:52:04 PM

ALL I DO IS WIN WIN WIN NO MATTER WHAT
GOT MONEY ON MY MIND I CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH
AND EVERY TIME I STEP UP IN THE BUILDING
EVERYBODY HANDS GO UP
AND THEY STAY THERE
AND THEY SAY YEAH YEAH!!!

4/16/2010 12:05:18 AM

i prefer internet memes, like the three wolf moon shirt

4/16/2010 12:37:59 AM

i agree with the title.. a wannabe freshprince meme at best.

4/16/2010 12:40:03 AM

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"qntmfred coming soon 29342 Posts user info edit post ok, this is justification enough for the sales meme to be allowed to be used message_topic.aspx?topic=589940 "

4/16/2010 12:41:37 AM

donnaaa <3

4/16/2010 12:07:01 PM

power pack never ceases to amuse me. who writes something like that???

4/16/2010 12:09:50 PM

That might be one of the greatest things posted on TWW ever.

Top 3 without a doubt.

4/16/2010 12:11:05 PM

Jag inser att denna tråd handlar om försäljning utanför .... som jag är i. Lyssna på mig, jag kanske kan ge lite insikt.

Jag är i försäljning utanför, vilken för närvarande lön + provision, men går även in rakt provision startar i början av juli 2010. Jag har varit i den positionen sedan juli 2009. Jag har konkurrens från flera direkta tillverkningskostnader säljare, stora distributörer och lokala distributörer. Här är för-och nackdelar med varje:

Direkt Fördelar: Omedelbar kunskap om ny teknik, inget mellanting man märker upp, en indiska (som betalas av tillverkare eller köpare av varor), tillgång till större utbud av icke-varuposter, kontroll inventering, har tillgång till många distributörer som effektivt kan sälja sina varor som ökar marknadsandelar och prissättning av varan de tillverkar.

Direkt nackdelar: har vanligtvis 1-3 säljare per region (dvs sydost, Mid-Atlantic, nordost, etc.) begränsar antalet konton som de framgångsrikt kan hantera / kalla samtal, brist fysisk kundservice eller fysiska, tekniska tjänsten tillgänglig för eller överkomligt för mindre användare eller helt och hållet, ibland inte tillförlitliga, eftersom de kommer att gå in bakom deras distributörer att sälja sina råvaror till ett konto i stora mängder (dvs. de missat ett stort konto, och har fått reda på det genom en återförsäljare som säljer sina egna produkter ) vilket leder till återförsäljaren att inte sälja sin produkt längre, har för många distributörer som säljer produkten slutligen köra fast pris ner genom avvikelser, möjligen beroende av distributörer att faktiskt sälja produkten, och konkurrensen från andra direkta källor.

Stora distributör fördelar: har tillgång till andra råvaror, som går hand i hand med andra tillverkare (dåligt exempel, livsmedelsbutiker sälja mjölk och spannmål), få direkt prissättning, många platser regionalt eller nationellt underlätta frakt bördan av köpare med flera platser, personlig service antingen kunden eller tekniska, många säljare som kan täcka ett bredare område, tillgång till flera tillverkare av samma råvara gör det möjligt att hålla priserna i schack, service-program inte mindre företag kan erbjuda och direkta leverantörer inte kan matcha i pris eller värde, och experter från många många råvaror i motsats till en eller ett fåtal.

Stora distributör nackdelar: mindre lokala distributörer skapa priskrig (tänk Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direkta MFG går in bakom och stjäl affärer, begränsad tillgång till alla MFG: s (du inte hittar Harris GUNGBRÄDA namn varumärken Mat Lejon och vice versa) kan inte riktigt sätta priserna, eftersom den är baserad på både utbud och efterfrågan, markförvaltning och tuffa tillväxtutsikterna i långsammare ekonomier (detta är sant för direkta samt riktigt)

Lokal distributör fördelar: Normalt en god ol 'pojke inställningen när säljaren och köparen känner varandra i flera år (detta sker på alla nivåer gör det, men mest på lokal nivå), lokala folk har rätt ner på gatan och kan användas i nödsituationer, om det lokala killen köper på tillräckligt hög volym så finns det ingen frakt kostnad för slutanvändaren och tillgång till både direkta MFG: s och stora distributörer.

Lokal distributör nackdelar: lätt misshandlad i pris, utbud av varor, array av teknik, brist på utbildad personal, låga kassaflöde, etc etc etc.

Detta är vad jag har märkt i min sex månader är jag säker på att det finns många fler som behöver nämna. Det sätt jag ställa mig själv från varandra som en försäljare som är detta: jag går efter den stora konton just nu medan jag är ny. Den stora konton, om jag landa dem, kommer att ta hand om mig medan jag är nytt och bygga upp en kundbas. Pengarna gjorde bort av dem som gör att jag kan fokusera ledig tid på mindre konton som få mig högre marginaler. Jag bygger upp stora konton, skulle jag vilja ha 5-10 av dessa, sedan få 20-30 medium konton. Om jag förlorar 1 eller 2 stora visningen, 20-30 medium räkenskaper hålla mig flytande medan jag går efter nya stora konton. Jag förstår inte riktigt slösa tid på små konton bara för att de i princip betala för frukost eller något riktigt små.

Jag kommer att säga detta om du inte kan få en stor konto under de första 6-8 månaderna (förutsatt att du har kassaflöde som du kan rida den långa) som du kan vara i en värld av problem. Om du kan få en, kommer det att verkligen gå efter det andra mycket roligare och mindre stressigt. Det är helt enkelt bara mycket ansträngande att slösa någon tid på något annat än stora konton i början. Du arbetar lika hårt på medelstora räkenskaperna och se 1 / 3 till 1 / 36 av pengarna i min situation.

Om du har några andra frågor kan du PM mig. Jag hoppas att detta hjälper det minsta!

4/16/2010 12:11:19 PM

yo, i think you got of them dvorak keyboards or some shit.

4/16/2010 12:12:34 PM

can someone tell me where this started cause as far as I can see it started with a post by ScHpEnXeL from the link Ernie posted but is this indeed where it started?

4/16/2010 1:44:15 PM

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4/16/2010 1:47:09 PM

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"from the link Ernie posted"

what

4/16/2010 1:48:30 PM

ah....thanks....(Ernie, you posted a link to another thread on page 1 which it appears was now where this originated but that's the link I was talking about)

4/16/2010 1:51:21 PM

no he didn't

4/16/2010 1:52:08 PM

I realise that this cable is for more badly same…. [poteti] I do not dispute. You hear me outside, perhaps I can offer the sharpness. I am in the exterior sales, that are this period salary+commission, but will import the correct committee that begins in the beginning of July 2010. J'? it was in this place from July 2009. J'? have the competition of various buckrams of direct sales of manufacture, big distributors, and local distributors. Here advantages and disadvantages each one: Direct advantages: The direct knowledge of new technology, any mean d'? individual in the top, a account of loading (that is paid by the constructor or l'? does the purchaser of goods), access in the most extensive line of articles no-product, list of order, have access in a lot of distributors that can in point of fact sell their goods that increase the share of market, and the constant prices of product qu'? they manufacture. Direct disadvantages: Characteristically have 1-3 sales of buckrams from region (G. - with-me-[d]. south-eastern, medium, north-eastern, etc.) that limit the number of assessments qu'? they can successfully check/cold-call, the service in the natural customers of lack or natural mechanic service available or accessible for in the smaller users or completely, he isn't sometimes worthy the confidence parce qu'? they will go in behind their distributors that sell their product in a assessment in big quantity (G. - with-me-[d]. they lost a big assessment, and they discovered for from distributor that sells their particular product) that does lead to the distributor that doesn't sell their product more, has very a lot of distributors in order to they sell the product that leads the price d'? finally together to under in the divergences, do the distributors measure probably above in order to they sell really the product, and rival with d'? other direct sources. Big advantages of distributor: have access in d'? did other products of that are equivalence suit with d'? other constructors (poor grocers d'? does the example sell the milk as well as the cerials), does receive the wholesale price, a lot d'? places in a regional level or with the alleviation of charge d'? nationally mission of the purchasers with the multiple places, the customer of personal service or technique, a big part of buckrams of sales that can cover a wider region, access in the multiple constructors of same product leaving to maintain the prices in the control, routines of usefulness those of smaller enterprises can'? offer and direct suppliers can'? T equivalence of T in the price or the value, and expert of big part of big part of products in the opposition in the one or d'? these. Big disadvantages of distributor: smaller local distributors that create the wars of prices (you think Michael Scott Co of document against dunder-Mifflin), mfg'? direct S that it imports behind and that steals the enterprises, access that is limited mfg'? in all S (you won'? named marks rocker Harris of lucky discovery of T in the lion of foods and poured the regard), can'? really constant prices of T parce qu'? it'? S based in l'? offer and ask, the management of ground, and the prospects hard for the increase of slowest economies (that it is in effect it really directs also) the local advantages of distributor: Characteristically one good ol'? l'? regulation of boy where the salesman and l'? is the purchaser acquaintance at the duration of years (does this present in the all levels, but most times in local level), the local individuals is good microscopic room the road and they can be occupied in the urgent needs, if the local markets of high type of enough volumes there n'? it is then any charge d'? mission with l'? user, and l'? access and in the two mfg'? direct S and big distributors. Local disadvantages of distributor: easily it is struck in the price, the line of products, the choice of technology, the lack of worked out personnel, low margin, etc. etc. etc. this who j'? in my six months, I marked the AM certain qu'? it exists d'? abundance more that has the need to report. The way I am regulation the himself with the share because a person of sales is this: I go after the big assessments to this moment while I am young person. The big assessments, if I unload them, me will attend while I am young person and establishing a base of users. L'? does the money make with far from them does allow in with in order to they assemble the free time in the smaller assessments that m'? result the higher margins. J'? accumulate the big assessments, I would wish to have the 5-10 last ones, then to receive 20-30 assessments of means. If I lose 1 or 2 big assessments, the 20-30 assessments of means maintain in with the flood while I go after the new big assessments. I don'? time of really waste of T in the small assessments parce simply qu'? they pay the of lunch time dinner or something basically really small. I will say this, if you can'? Does the T receive a big assessment in the first month 6-8 (that it supposes you have the margin that you can you assemble this length) where could be in a world d'? problem. If you can receive the one, will return

4/16/2010 1:57:43 PM

You're right, it was EuroTitToss MY APOLOGIES to all. Must have been paying attention to the first letter and that was it..... Or I have an obsession with Ernie...both are possibilities.

4/16/2010 2:04:17 PM

yas

4/16/2010 2:07:58 PM

could someone fill this noob in on when that damned thing started?

4/16/2010 2:11:48 PM

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brownie27 started it, its the 7th post in that thread.

12/21/2010 1:59:51 PM

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"I hope this helps nothing!"

lol nice translation there.

12/21/2010 2:02:47 PM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=603882&


[Edited on December 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM. Reason : é]

12/21/2010 2:20:52 PM

So here's the story, and please hear me out before commenting:

I realize this thread is about Amway Global ....which I am not. Hear me out, maybe I can give odds of what you think Amway Global existing is.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. I play trivia every Tuesday and Friday night with D, the Director of Quality at a company I used to work for (and would like to work for again some day), and his gf, N. One night we're all getting ready to leave the bar so I go to pay for my tab, and the bartender tells me Let's do something large - my debit card was declined. Confused, I ask her to Let's do something like.... try it again, again declined. By this point, D and N are looking over and I'm starting to get embarrassed. N asks me what's up, I say "There's a 1 out of 1x10^10 chance my card is being declined," D says no worries, that means there's a one in ten billion chance of my card being declined, and picks up my tab. Although super embarrassed, I was grateful because I wasn't carrying any other form of payment on me. Is that not rare enough for you?

Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

I get home and check my bank account balance online and everything is normal. No unauthorized transactions or anything. I try again the next day to use my card at Old Navy, but this time brought an american express giftcard that I had with me just in case. Sure enough, debit card is declined and I pay with the gift card. I then exit the store and call my bank angrily and explain what had happened to me and asked what was up. The customer service rep told me that customers who did not have fraud protection would temporarily not have access to their accounts due to system upgrade/maintenance/IT blah blah. I was like OK.... Okay. Let's do 1 out of 1x10^15. That's a one in one quadrillion chance, and decided I'd just pay with my credit card for the next day or so, no big deal.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

A few days go by and I want to get a snocone at Pelican's, but they're cash-only. Based on observations from the Hubble Space Telescope, there are at least 125 billion ATMs in the universe. It is estimated that at least ten percent of all ATMs have a cash dispenser, and there are 6.25×10^18 ATMs with money in them in the universe. I go to the cashpoints ATM and put in my debit card and PIN and the machine says "Unauthorized use: card retained". The ATM ate my debit card. Pissed off, and on a Sunday, there was nothing I could do.

Monday I'm getting lunch with my bf and decided to be nice and pick up the bill, so I go to pay using my CREDIT card, and the server comes back saying my card was declined. Again, embarrassed, I was thankful to have my bf there to cover the payment. If even a billionth of these payments have Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really), there are some 6.25×10^9 (billion) Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors in the universe.

6,250,000,000.

Monday afternoon I go to my bank and tell them what has happened. My card was retained by the ATM because my bank statements had been returned to the bank by my mail carrier. When that happened, the bank sent a replacement debit card to my address, which was also returned. This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small. I found this really odd considering the address on file was my current one and I successfully receive other bills (electric, insurance, etc) there. Bank tells me they'll send a replacement card again, and give me a temp card for the meantime.

I then call my credit card company. Same story: card statements returned by the USPS, which caused them to put a hold on my card.

Aggravated, I went to the USPS station nearest me and explained the issue. They said to write a note to my carrier and put it in my box. I wrote on a post-it note two days ago "Hi, please deliver all mail addressed to jessiejepp to this box. This includes bank/credit card statements. All mail addressed to other individuals should be RTS. Thank you!" and put it in the back of my box where he/she inserts the mail. Both yesterday and today I have received mail (not for me, but for my address), but my note is still there.


I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. I know a lawsuit for punitive damages against a federal agency isn't possible, but I was wondering what (if any) other legal action I can take in this case. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.


Now, what are the odds that Amway Global doesn't exist? If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

[Edited on December 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM. Reason : formatting was junked up]

12/21/2010 2:21:56 PM

I realize this thread was bttted after a long time for no apparent reason.... which is not my fault. Hear me out, maybe I can offer some insight.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

12/21/2010 2:23:15 PM

Just hit some clown in a real estate group promoting a pyramid scheme brokerage with the meme...never gets old

11/16/2017 1:01:34 PM

I went to an interview for some pyramid scheme shit awhile back

they were offering lunch, so why not

after we get done eating, I just get up and leave, they didn't say anything, maybe they thought I was taking a piss

I got like 2 calls the next week, but I didn't answer and no voicemail.

11/16/2017 1:10:20 PM